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Round table : How to bring the energy transition to altitude?
Florence Schmidt, Martin Senn, François Vuille
Friday, Sept. 6, 2019 · 12:03 p.m. · 44m 05s
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he f. l.'s energy lab so please five yen
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so thank you for being here uh with us on stage i'm going to talk about a
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first and fast a topic so we're not going to have to cover a everything it involves
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the question is how do we take it it's energy transition into the
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mountains is a fast program so when we talk about the energy transition
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i would say it's the next great she made it ensure that faces us
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it's about exploring how to preach use how
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to consume more responsibly without using fossil energy
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without contaminating our environment with c. o. two first and foremost and
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an extra challenges in the mountains as we have seen with the
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tool lake project there are clear constraints which are not necessarily conventional
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the climate is more stream the topography is uh is very uh
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a unique in suisse when we have done some great things we have to
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make dance we have met a lot of challenges so what can we do more
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uh on top of is to go further and to move forward yeah
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it's not easy and because we talk my movie mountains mountains to move us
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i would like to pass the mike to floors schmidt did when you're preparing for
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what we saw was from we're preparing for this event you said you're in love with whichever way
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and you want to to think about what you could directly joe blow it had in this direction
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so yes yeah hello everyone so yes i i don't know
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if we definitely because when i started at home wanting if she
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i was in charge of developing a quite special solar project at age i believe the thermodynamic
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solar project which was supposed to be implemented at ease new a ski area
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so it's quite and i was quite ambitious project within tourism component but unfortunately
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uh we developed always but unfortunately the project was not completed for financial reasons
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so d. n. g. transition is something that we are looking to develop
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and to move forward on but there are constraints and yeah okay so
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it was an economic it would you commit constraints to kill the project
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that because with the chip okay i would like to give a few examples of what happened here
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i was also in charge of a wind power
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we wanted to develop when the energy in the region
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and we identified using the different much the on the high pass
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as a a design which was conducive to the development of if it's a wind energy and when
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you develop when you're developing wind power and you need to look at certain uh criteria so when potential
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sir we cannot a survey to measure uh when speech in this or a region
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and there was lots of opposition uh even when we try
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to karen measurements are later on when talking to environmental associations
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we realise that this is this was a point uh uh an important point for migration and
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because of the environments and touch of what we would planning to do we didn't go any further
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so when we develop projects of a renewable energy
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projects there are constraints if i have a economic
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oh uh oh even environmental which can sometimes be
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an obstacle to uh and and holds our initial enthusiasm
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but mister fox has demonstrated that you have to have a lot
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of courage and perseverance that you can achieve things if you keep on
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fashion and what you're saying is it from a technical standpoint on a scientific standpoint we have
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the knowledge to know how to scale somewhat with developing them if we don't already have them
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the potential intensive output is to write output is is here and the mountains like elsewhere
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so yes the challenge of the energy trance
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position is not such technological all the technology
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exists today it's off the shelf technology that can
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be used what is difficult is implementing these technologies
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you could create a cop and useful system with all the current technology but ye ought to cause i economic
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disappointed to say uh when you talk about economic uh
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obstacles this is about mentality is i'm
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nonsense will uh sometimes stop when we say why would we change what's uh if yeah well
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what would what would fix if it's if it's not broken white change if something's we've already done
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but what is important to kay mason s. is it things are possible that would maybe move things forward or
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yes so obstacles the obstacles also issue comic but they also environmental
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because you always have to balance out interests the interests
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of and the need for power output and environment so uh
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a health so is always difficult to to strike a balance between the different interests involved
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so there are various stakeholders involved uh you might want to react what's been
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said i would just like to react and had to what has already been said
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actually uh in the energy transition there's always so uh it's
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so so uh an individual responsibility almost and
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that's what's complicated because when i feel passionately
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and i have to do something uh i'll make a change i
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look at my own personal interests for estimates about social acceptance the interests
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i love the collective or not if what we you really think
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to focus on what people think about the own place lynch's fast
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and some of our politicians to day
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uh trying negates and it no maybe the
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informants all uh toward i'm we're in it's quite
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difficult to go to the people and say this is
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what you have to do personally when when when the politicians on set an example
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and then it's got your difficult if people have does 'cause i
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to collectively move forward for the greater good that's going to be difficult
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so much incentive not here that i know that she has
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uh try to move these ideas forward that at some point you have
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to work together you have to work in partnership with everyone to try and
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bring people into the discussion in the city uh the development to want to
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carry out so we we had a earlier any reaction from someone in the area
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who lives in the area what we notice in the when the energy sector is that
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means that you're getting people on board is not to go to people's home i regions
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and i impose things on them is about getting them to talk to
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us so that we can work together and the best possible way of so
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collective solutions rely on everyone really getting on board a project of
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we need to differentiate two fundamental points to energy transition is two
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fold it's about renewable output and energy efficiency some two hundred percent
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and agreements with the fact that angie how energy perception projects needs haven't social component
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then when you see him bring on board i mean integrate those you are going to be impacted went about energy efficiency
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which is a fifty percent of the road we need to
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go down this is no longer collective it's about individual action
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consumption choices is about the type of car you want or but
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having no cards all this about choosing the coffee maker the fringe
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the you know the the the all the appliances
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that oh i uh energy efficient design individual choices
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uh and if everyone votes for an energy transition me
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that's seventy five percent of people in favour uh of the energy transition uh so you
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can vote for nader transition but if you don't buy a a front reaches energy efficient
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uh it doesn't it doesn't really mean anything if you don't buy
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a small icon which is a police less which consumes less of
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uh is you need you need to go down this route but the thing is you see that pastels
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the open source and and i will not say a s. u. v. a. and people making these personal choices
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oh sorry as long as we don't rely is that a consumer behave yeah
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uh it's going to have the most important impact all is among the most important things to do
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if you don't switch slides off if you don't uh usually efficient uh products or or
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even people need to look at where uh they are consuming most what is
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to uh what's that which pages of this ah having the biggest impact on on
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uh on energy consumption and people have no idea uh
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and i think that's right i think people need to be informed to i when it's nice to be range we talked about this
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uh any ever got in the mountains but this is a general point people don't we sometimes because
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often they don't know do we need to do it all the that they would it would be advantageous
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to do it with people need to be a family uh familiarised with its the stage in the challenges
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and also about the impacts sometimes we don't remember who is not really clear
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what it would be the best thing to do uh we were going constraints
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i specifically speaking of the mountains are there certain choices which i'll uh better than others
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of what i'll i'll i'll this ten things which have more in time for some more effective
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in the mountains certain projects in behaviours things that make sense what's k. o. e.
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so i'd like to uh just to add to the presentation on the secular coming in the mountains we have
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it would in the energy transition there is a component which is
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about substitution a wood is the perfect example of the secular economy
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and in the mountains
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uh one uh initiative it it can be can be carried out would be about a
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using would rather than fossil uh energies fossil fuels
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uh_huh in the mountains we have more solar power well aware most on we have
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more when that more water we have more would they they i mean it seems obvious
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but you also have the uh pollution emissions of a wood
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burning of which might be a problem in the mount in uh
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and the city but it's not the case in a nonsense a third as much an extent
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and we also need to promote t. i. installation of building stuff uh the use of heating
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systems which are uh i agree no uh uh pay some would based on heat pumps f.
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uh_huh uh building heating is a huge source of c. o. two
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it's if it's fifty percent of our energy consumption goes into building
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heating and so that's why i asked a question uh regarding impact
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today in switzerland the renovation rates of uh
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those of buildings is less than one percent said
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that means that building is all on average renovated every one hundred years
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much longer than the renovation cycle which uh would allow
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building to to stay efficient something cape up to date of
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even know that was empty ten to twenty percent subsidies off uh uh
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five it renovation projects but people are not picking up on this and uh
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building heating up since fifty percent of our energy consumption of
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uh it returns on investments of very long it's age twenty
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twenty twenty five twenty five is to recoup your investment in
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energy renovation and energies shape so people already going down that path
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and also cost money do you have to finance
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these products and bangs off and on knots a away
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on board it is sometimes they're not allowed to finance these projects off uh_huh
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okay so if you have a uh_huh if
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you haven't got the right uh necessary incumbents worth
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your and generation products are twenty look at solutions is that comes on level was a federal level
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well having discussions with the from the commission the
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banking commission to make uh to get things moving off
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and the complicated question is about uh profitability about
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yeah economics it's how you going to pay for this what kind of business model can you put together to make this a viable
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okay but when you look at everything is being done everything people are thinking about i i can see when
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one have you personally i can see that many people thinking about what can be developed maybe summation cheaper and aunts and
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can we uh maybe spot interest in our audience to send
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by saying that there are things happening or things are being
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put together and developed c. f. uh to uh
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maybe uh bring a production energy production up to date
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whether it be in a energy storage systems whether it
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be a renewable energy uh systems people looking for solutions
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the energy transition the cost of the energy transition
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a a a and twenty fifty uh the result the outcome of this energy transition will be
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there and you'll be cheaper if you she will have technology where which will produce less wastage
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hybrid car oh i like your car is more expensive it is much more efficient
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so you can to pay more i in initial investment but you're going to save on energy consumption
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later on the return on investments it's it's maybe too long right now
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but in the long term the transition as you mean low cost to society
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and it's going to be a huge advances for the balance of payments because today
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a fourteen billion a switch france go abroad to pay for all based products even though
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we can do the same fear and too many things we've free a local uh technologies
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oh uh the energy transition could feud use create
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twenty twenty five thousand jobs over the next few years
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and even if a a collective solutions are sought a um
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maybe a individuals on making their rights uh choices on
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not putting as much investing as much as the collective
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because of this long or short investments
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so that's complicated for homeowners uh it's about accessing the finance to carry out since the
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uh into cannot these projects if you're good looking at the fridge the cost a hundred
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a switch fronts more than the fridge maybe aggressive shoes that fit even if it's more efficient
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uh you need to be nice one standard find it more expensive appliance might be be cheaper in one ten
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so just to say that in who uh and the
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basis will be trying to make profits and sometimes profits are
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if if the profits them come in the short term uh we want them
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to come in the median send and today there is a like i would say
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have consistent mm kay at international level
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because we import fossil fuels and we also import electrical
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energy he's cost is not complete and i'm talking about
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the cost of electrical energy produced by
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nuclear spouse stations all call find past actions
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cost is not a complete we do not see a compensate for c. o. two outputs
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uh which uh it comes from this energy production and it's
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depends on e. government policy and this government policy has uh
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decided locally compose you can decide whether most commonplace here to and
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sometimes it seems to me that in society there is a real awareness
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and it's by uh if you observe governments around
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the world which i'll uh a slightly warring in some
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cases but i am i have more trust in a society that will say let's take the steps ourselves
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i'm not wait for the comment destroying become de uh it reach 'cause zero comments
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situation and even in the banks uh one s. didn't raise and perhaps that if
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a young people uh have made demonstrations have demonstrated this year have
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protested against environment so uh damage this is something which could drive society
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to take measures uh itself and says something which
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allows to take us out of this a hard time
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and he sent to they would not sure who really to move forward
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on this uh something that would it keeps coming back and ass innovation
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so we're always looking for new business
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models how to make these investments profitable
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at home and in l. g.
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we all running an innovation program where we appeal and we call for the idea is
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from uh the ideas for my employees but also ideas from different schools
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we also what with attack external companies to try and find solutions
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to facilitate this transition if don't know uh
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any that have actually
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are being put forward
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'cause it is true that uh locally uh uh with or
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what are the advantages that we have here in the mountains
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uh what all the projects that you are currently working on but
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that are going to see the light of day i'm real soon
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can we hope is there room for hope
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yes there are a whole water streams have not necessarily be in
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worked with weekends to produce from history
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we're also working with the uh geothermal
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but
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also all at the level of each town and village
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when uh we talk about electric ability wouldn't it be
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acquitted year in order to hell oh this a transition
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while isn't it the job of an elected
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official to work ah i'm such a project
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you know the question was put to me during the break
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was what can i do the lower my town hall or
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elected officials all thinking about um shouldn't be too i was uh
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well i think the key you're all over town is to it for the citizens
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what all those solutions world impact how much does it cost
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the colour talking total cost of ownership ah
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what will be individual gain from an ecological solution
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okay is so we wanna get weirder of of a
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few burning or use okay that's great uh_huh but every time
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oh ah they ask the answer is a wall
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the best alternative solution is the same you know
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so we have to train the ah or the specialist and uh
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the um have to learn how to install he'd pop
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and here the citizen has to make
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the effort to ask different ah border specialist
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because uh individuals have to make informed choices informed
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decisions because here um good decision will have an impact
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for fifteen twenty years the tool either angie and diesel call would last two fifteen years
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a whole you burning order will last you twenty years
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so we are postponing the solution by fifteen twenty years
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indeed and i will add that it's
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a ten ounce have to set examples
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they're all different labels uh that they can get
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it for the two old it's for the two analysis
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so as an example the ten
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hour it can inspire and motivate citizens
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who'll we can actually help the different channels
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but we have a great panel to uh put to them
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and tells all schools sign uh the building permits
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the cult or actually
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passes bills but become roles
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well so to morrow
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i'm just thinking about my son was just good into a building
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a brand new building where there is low
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recharging ah systems uh uh the parking lot
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well
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oh
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well so every time there's a public a parking lot
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that is build there should be a recharging stations
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so if i hear you basically what you're saying is just it's should be a bottom up
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uh approach stops locally is thought ah small scale and go up
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a full network for who uh the citizens because obviously
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every case is different and everything is to debate will or
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well obviously all the little by what has changed
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edited and uh as a producer with affordable to a
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installation on its roof can actually trade angie with uh his neighbour
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ah so that's a great change it
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that means that the transition phase actually helped for who the little bark
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uh_huh
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okay so false with really is actually not very happy
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well it's true that what you can do
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today is to consume yawn production a while
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and all the last year what is possible
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is to actually share the energy to want labour
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oh uh_huh oh uh_huh however to share it with whenever
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i cannot use the network so how they do that
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you know you need a powell network
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well
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yeah
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well so what is difficult car seems to be the
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into like true all fences and uh blocks
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that uh everyone uh uh and all
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of us actually uh have set up
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and then also political burgers so
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we made to set drivers we need to find um i'll
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financial solutions
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okay so it's an economical it to the technical it's a political to financial uh i heard or
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uh okay yes everything is happening with is happening slowly
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uh you have to wait
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it's is small step approach a
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giants lee the giant leaps do not work here in switzerland
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so
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we're going as fast as possible oh yes about um this is
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not china aware our decisions all that by a stroke of the pen
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ah
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so we're going as fast as possible but we're going in the right direction
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okay all of the good news oh okay thank you very much any questions for um the fall
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huh
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huh
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will will uh_huh uh_huh
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he will um attic often voice or
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uh yeah our monthly as we're company that though
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also or worse
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so what more can be done should
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be no he will will ah oh
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today you can actually how are a
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little apartment you can actually give the power
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uh today
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you can actually how are a hell's
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as eleven thousand buildings that and uh
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operational it works for one of the german speaking part of switzerland
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i'd have probably was uh i'm very happy to see the good or adults here as well
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so they have with thing exist everything is on the market ooh obvious already off the shelf
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but it's an investment
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profitability the return on investment is fifteen to twenty years
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so the question is the real question is is twenty years long or oh
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but he an idiot or
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uh uh the electricity production will be used to value as well
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it's true that
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currently the
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the straits of very low dog was they get enough so that it's true that um if
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you invested zero point eight percent it's actually a very good deal so just fine and the
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financial deal that will allow you you to find such a project
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oh
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i had with no bike for the high couldn't hear the question of the follow up
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um
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but um member of congress uh a little up also
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oh i heard a lot about individual responsibility about individual investment
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to watch the ride border the right for each to white call
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uh and do not it's provision for we're okay
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then why are we always putting the responsibility of
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the shoulder of the individual isn't it a collective responsibility
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or
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but uh we um or or or or a things to do
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than to calculators you to a a foot could we have a life to run
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and as an elected official on i am trying to ride the rails that we'll all
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ah lead us to a cool chick core life
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we're here to set an example we're here to show all the way
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if we do not change drastically ah aurora approach on
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shouldn't specially uh will be that it would become should
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political who decisions can be drastic in order to be more efficient
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so for the logistics point of view
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are there are
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are as where we should be more drastic or forceful should also
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war is individual responsibility an individual commitment enough
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it's true that
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congress should forbid the uh worst solutions
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um balls uh um ah
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all little by little being changed
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we can do this for the borders we could do this for calls just
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he really tax the worst solutions
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but to impose the best is the river difficult
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you cannot impose click to calls on to citizens so let's go to the best
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and let's forbid the worst
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mm
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uh_huh if uh you look at the low dealing with public markets
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hi do not is the other who a lot of creature dealing with sustainability
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school weakens topped with or probably more goods uh
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that uh introduce at least when criteria of sustainability
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oh wow
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and you have to set an example and you also have to
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pass ah bills into lows that
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ah a show the best uh solutions
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for example uh l. can take its own not actually uh taxed
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but if you buy a poll you to call
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obviously it has to be text
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mm i'll
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uh_huh
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uh i actually have a question myself or
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uh_huh
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well i would like to link this with the uh presentation just before
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i thought it was a great project
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use
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and the
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ladies in the mountains
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we all they're all there are examples all concrete examples that exist today
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mm shoe what is possible
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uh_huh e. who'll missus schmidt says
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to the uh with bill ah issues
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uh_huh what of the those one these are kelly uh_huh
00:35:16
it is it can
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be quite difficult uh_huh the
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so
00:35:27
okay we're not sure what does or
00:35:32
energy derived from story you wore huh or energy or
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how can we hope to actually produce that a while
00:35:48
i don't think that should be one that eh
00:35:51
well i think it's energies of role
00:35:57
uh but uh the award hills with bills are the
00:36:05
i saw a walls
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he'll write trials
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i don't think i would develop
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so the yeah it for
00:36:23
a thought at our station as it related
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uh what i don't have a specific stuff to do
00:36:34
or uh or or what it is actually a
00:36:40
that says fit
00:36:43
uh_huh
00:36:44
so little by little it does it does happen
00:36:52
yeah
00:36:53
oh
00:36:55
so i'm not sure if all of what it would be covered by a solid battles
00:37:04
which ah but if the everybody
00:37:08
covered his roof where a solid tours
00:37:14
the the half of the problems all
00:37:18
the interview insulated or buildings a future calls her
00:37:23
there and we have reached the forty fifty objective
00:37:30
uh_huh
00:37:33
the what comes to a lot a
00:37:39
it all depends how you calculate i tell you that it's expensive okay fine but ah
00:37:46
what is the advantage of a whole lot that are forced wall when taylor
00:37:52
for us to uh that stirs and it's fine it's a or should uh that
00:37:58
for this is that to so called calculate probably the
00:38:03
uh here what the cost of that particular what are bought
00:38:11
and you have a global picture of the ah forced um management
00:38:20
yeah
00:38:24
uh my name is daniel shell or high work for i. e. and apply the yeah
00:38:33
and i want to to share with your experience i had last winter
00:38:39
uh how to bring a a digit position uh to higher elevations
00:38:46
i visit to do is a gallon is
00:38:50
about i'd probably uh looks very much like here
00:38:56
and
00:38:59
ten years ago
00:39:01
they were really dues where the uh now
00:39:06
i came to you project and if
00:39:11
you reduce wanted to harold energy transitions
00:39:15
uh they were helped a little bit by the corporation but globally that worked on the
00:39:20
role that they want to talk about worked our way to the call but you troll and
00:39:28
to be a two thousand watt so so i uh by forty
00:39:33
fifty so it has become a
00:39:37
challenge for all uh players uh schools
00:39:45
uh_huh
00:39:48
uh technicians it's a two generation project for two thousand to twenty fifty
00:39:56
and and i noted that they had their own interpretation of the objective
00:40:03
concretely what i do it's the is that a lot of our work
00:40:09
solar who've times a lot of psychopath um
00:40:19
some investment
00:40:22
some micro with males and so just one brick in the wall
00:40:27
i'm all balls pliers beep the now political or economic or ow
00:40:36
there are the different contractors you know contribute little by
00:40:40
little to uh of the transition that the oh uh
00:40:46
aiming at and they are selling this as the
00:40:50
ah the time see this as a regional project
00:40:55
and when i saw that i i thought gee that is something for me
00:41:06
and they had great energy a personal injury implementing this
00:41:13
uh i guess that's the domino effect
00:41:25
yeah
00:41:27
the questions
00:41:41
uh by the way the my neighbour does
00:41:45
so are you do on these great driver
00:41:50
when you all the last one without solar panels without the lighter
00:41:55
cotton but you that uh it it back to the okay hi
00:42:01
question was more about conforming okay how are we are here to learn
00:42:08
i'll even though we all fall asleep before we all agree that we need
00:42:11
to act individually or globally through our liked elections although i think it's actually both
00:42:20
but how big my question is how should we inform people would
00:42:25
all have the time um people have all the things to do
00:42:33
so okay fair enough with between four who how
00:42:41
well actually i have a job was to uh i'm sorry but i will i will get
00:42:45
what a lot of information programs there are uh shows on television and the radio on all
00:42:54
in schools they're all technical programs that include
00:43:02
a specific knowledge it's great to see it at the ten year old kid you know
00:43:09
see what the though so the next generation you know will be highly uh for
00:43:20
swiss energy uh works a lot to words forming citizens eh
00:43:26
uh it before they go now building management company is
00:43:30
but informing is the only is the first step is on the first up the citizen the uh_huh
00:43:37
and needs to be aware and then accept
00:43:47
now what needs to be done in order to act
00:43:53
thank you to say to a a chant phosphor and falls
00:44:00
uh shadows ability
Conference Program
Welcoming address by the Municipality of Ormont-Dessus
Eric Liechti
Sept. 6, 2019 · 9:48 a.m.
Opening of the 8th edition: "Mountains move, move us, move themselves... our role, our mission, our identity. "
Thierry Meyer, president of the Ecovillages Association
Sept. 6, 2019 · 9:53 a.m.
Inspiration. Protect our Winters
Nicholas Bornstein & Sarah Hoefflin
Sept. 6, 2019 · 9:59 a.m.
Round table : How sport can be a driver of the sustainable agenda
Françoise Jaquet, Sarah Hoefflin, Neil Beecroft, Sina Schneider, Nicholas Bornstein
Sept. 6, 2019 · 10:14 a.m.
CE2, Circular Economy Entrepreneurs: here we go!
Cornelia Giger, Adèle Thorens, Corinne Feuz
Sept. 6, 2019 · 10:55 a.m.
A solar park on a mountain lake
Guillaume Fuchs
Sept. 6, 2019 · 11:46 a.m.
Round table : How to bring the energy transition to altitude?
Florence Schmidt, Martin Senn, François Vuille
Sept. 6, 2019 · 12:03 p.m.
Round table : Sharing knowledge, between simplicity and complexity
Olivier Dessibourg, Pascal Kober, Emmanuel Reynard, Frédéric Fournier
Sept. 6, 2019 · 1:50 p.m.
Questions about the project "On a mission"
Frédéric Fournier
Sept. 6, 2019 · 2:40 p.m.
The DiabLab project - Introduction
Eric Liechti
Sept. 6, 2019 · 2:47 p.m.
The DiabLab project. Towards sustainable public lighting
Guillaume Fuchs
Sept. 6, 2019 · 2:51 p.m.
Destination circular economy: how tourism can become more resource-efficient – a CE2 Lab - Projet Isenau 360°
Thierry Weber
Sept. 6, 2019 · 3:15 p.m.
Destination circular economy: how tourism can become more resource-efficient – a CE2 Lab - EHL
Noémie Danthine
Sept. 6, 2019 · 3:27 p.m.
Destination circular economy: how tourism can become more resource-efficient – a CE2 Lab - Kitro
William Downey
Sept. 6, 2019 · 3:35 p.m.
Destination circular economy: how tourism can become more resource-efficient – a CE2 Lab - Synthesis
Thierry Weber, Noémie Danthine, William Downey, Samuel Kilchenmann
Sept. 6, 2019 · 4:12 p.m.
Synthesis and rendering of the workshops in plenary session
Panel
Sept. 6, 2019 · 4:32 p.m.
Recommended talks
Table ronde : Comment amener la transition énergétique en altitude ?
Florence Schmidt, Martin Senn, François Vuille
Sept. 6, 2019 · 12:03 p.m.
Martigny, l’expérience d'une 'ville laboratoire' qui a amorcé son virage énergétique
M. Marc-Henri Favre, Président de la Ville de Martigny
Oct. 2, 2013 · 10:16 a.m.
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