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um what is the largest threat to support integrity
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it will the landslide victory for him driving
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i don't know where if that's a surprise to many people write a little bit of a
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surprise the noise of the uh the the the the lead for their agreement one
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okay so let me quickly introduce three a hand weights i'm beginning with a friend of the
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pen widths could take the place is pretty uh uh starting from the left please
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um geology wanted to curl up there is the into
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a special adviser to the international labour organisation
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mayor garcia who is the managing director of integrity of you a file
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welcome you're a mike miller who is the chief exact through the world the olympians association
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but relevant to this conversation he was all through generals retrieve international rugby board
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uh you don't look monet down a who is the president of the world lottery association
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oh she'd who is the uh uh director of amnesty international in switzerland
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oh
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so welcome to our panelists thank you for joining us um
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interesting results of three uh of of of how um
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and maybe i could start by just going around each of you and we'll start with your giovanni perhaps
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and ask what you think is the biggest threat a sports integrity what concerns you
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most uh about sports integrity and and how can that for a recall method
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uh_huh
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uh_huh
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yeah
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at the bottom of it
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okay yes because presses for the district i i actually
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uh the the even the the pull that was a an advertise i i have a i have
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a sense it i i'm not even i'm not in agreement with the fact that the the
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the the worst all the biggest rate is actually a dropping to support and the
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reason is that um i think that sport is no longer independent um
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and when you look at that make a sporting events you have uh many actors from outside of the
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sports arena screwed in icing motor sport is doing and i think we will ever example so we
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and therefore to maybe use the ease the the fact that there is a lack of all the v. show know about sustainability
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of sport that it's just inability to be yeah yellow went to the u. n. nice actually he's a strictly
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related to integrity and in these prospective of like to
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mention something out of the pit keynote presentation before
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when you add an official to be you when uh your of main competence
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ease i actually about integrity if you if you do not mastered integrity you cannot be unofficial of us
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and so for asking technically means uh everything because it is very big
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and therefore sport to my views ease value based any these perspective i want to give you any doctor
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was in rome at the conference organised by the vatican on on sport and the global was actually
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opening the conference of course i do see place it was the un secretary general was there
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actors for sport all over the place with yeah and the the pope was mentioning actually the values for
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so the the conference was based on the five main
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eighty s. which actually the competencies related to sport
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and then at the end of the conference was it was very devious divide that there was also one
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a lot about oh oh oh in other view another vision of sport which was integrated by
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one all the c. e. o.'s all the sought and found that they actually both so
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formula one forty billion dollars and twenty yeah the light that was a funny like this one
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um this friend or colleague or see a sports for that sport lactose it
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you know we yeah we we bought if one and actually we export
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so you you see one of the issue that i think we need to discuss and we
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income passes that that sport is is on is not only these export comes from files
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and then from values it was developed through because actually the something related to
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humanity in fact i'm called upon to see something of of workers
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some people may see okay but what work is not to do with sports organisation and then i think we can discuss this
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but to my news coming back to the first question is intended
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to evaluate base when you're the man they they mandated since
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screen in volumes is ensuring that fourteen integrity and therefore uh some
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of the notion that we're discussing presented that yet on
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shoot the basic only be related to sustainability and i think we if
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a morse now for sustainability and sport is not unrelated to
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those friends who've only can you just before you i'm don't press
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you can define what you mean by sustainability in this context
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okay so sustainability at for those of you when following the developments of the global agendas
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um you may know you may remember that in september two thousand
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and fifteen sustainable development goals were adopted by the international community
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and then this is not an un agenda sustainable development goals i go by gender
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it should one of us we do have a responsibility with respect to it
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so what if they have to sustainability to me just to give you the framework sustainability is to me
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a good references sustainable development goals because everyone is
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attached to those schools including sport in fact
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oh i use you adopted the agendas went it went in december two thousand and fourteen
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and adopted the i i. r. c. sustainability strategy enough december two thousand and sixteen
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if in the this in it in march two thousand seventeen so is is very new
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so it doesn't refer to the edges we can all refer to these digits now i'll that what we have in g. o. c. d.
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so on why we work together on this because we actively on those goals
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and they are all related to conventions they are
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related to national lois back this is policies
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and therefore we can evaluate those bodies is because there are gaps that we can
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actually evaluate let me you just is that what was in a conference
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two basic one not a professional panel is that sometimes i got on at the top and that he was on the c. video
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and there was somebody coming from doctor who collect coming from the university pain yeah
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any was defending the principles of how inclusive or should be policies related to
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oh not disable in sport sport of fourteen the the idea was we have to make sure that they enter
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the but market in the end that there's a site it will support and they was mentioning that
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all the yeah yes well actually from the u. n. conventional disable the
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he was actually implementing those policies that they can yeah level so
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he was taking up the issue with the government by saying you know
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you have ratified the conventional let's stay oh no you when
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oh i disabled the which is relatively new any that any uh not implementing those policies so
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it was going from the level which is global label all the national level meaning yeah
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voices back this is any legislation he was actually also showing our legislation
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can be um uh uh i know i just to gas
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sometimes contradiction i i i think every meeting is the the way we talk about specifics
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and then he was able to implement programs anyone projects for the
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disabled so i think that i was struck by the file
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you know i is is the what is happening at the international level you are no longer
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providing for a most why this and yeah this meaning that you know the the physical these are
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not in charged with the responsibility to protect different i think this is that really into
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not only available agenda we had ah was in we work collectively the
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words uh yes or for for example in this case we want
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to put it into it with with a with a combination of
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that and the and i'm not in a than a standard
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oh and my last point is uh i come from the un and so oh i the new and for for
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my life that basically so i'm everything i you don't roll
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the u. n. is always your white noise finder
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the good reference the good framework thought because it is done by this a
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good value at the un is not bound by the u. n.
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it is actually a dialogue with the international community these
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all of the yes particularly with that point yes
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rage by yeah i proceeded so side is extremely active and proactive
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uh yeah yellow is actually unique organisation that is
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based on three but i don't know which means they we delineate what 'cause organisation unimpressed organisation
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so i will i will give you a couple of examples of how what this organisation at the
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international level i actually have taking steps to what we really they should not forfeit malls
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it therefore we need to have that kind of you open to us because actually we enrich ourselves and then
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we're not oh somehow frustrated by the finnish and steal all what
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is moral what is eh it they get the what actually
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i i think we yeah that sufficiency examples although responsibly they can buy
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'em up by me for example private oh these this is
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um for example by lawyers individually all the implementation of remotes is accepted
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by the international community you may be surprised to know that that
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well one of the companies that was actually the leaving the the
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is they you mean the cat i think that that was the
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sole don't buy a lawyer in in place a french company
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the reading was the the way it was like oh which bases all the
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any declaration by the way c. so we we i mean they kind of
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framework i think number one that's what does not already have it
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number two basically jesus did i it's not something that counts from
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you any he's out but when they are five and we
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to actually it is for individually alaskan collectively and that but the sport is part of it
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because all accepted it at the level of the shows i yeah well yeah it
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the twenty and now we yeah it was it was the right time still only
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i mean here um same question to to you um forthright uh sports interpretive
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or that concerns you most and and how can that be better combative ah
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well thank you limits well first of all morning everyone the signal pressure and to be
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here i have to admit they're coming from a very specific and vitamin football
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and and and when it comes to integrity football means a
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lot of things for me fest integrity means common sense
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show you know when we speak about integrity you know in my mind have you have to apply common sense
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and this is part of my life and and and and we should
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say and i have to say that these path of the
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daily activity of my company in football now in way fat intake
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heated means to differing areas so you can tell it is
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means the fight against several problems in the field of play on the feel of play in the
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full of play and outside the feel of play outside if you don't play way identify
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finance after play outside if you play intended to mean for us finance half of play
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so we need to guarantee the stability of football clubs in europe up line
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commonsense game so you know i'm sorry you cannot to spend more money
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demanded that you received this is common sense to life and even exact particular
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approach finance suffered play regulations against common sense i'm sorry you ah
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participating that way for competitions so you receive one hundred three hundred four hundred we
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don't notice from as possible stick it in t. v. so you can spend
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four hundred million dollars a year that's in the field of play what does
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it mean for last means the big fight against and the top him
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fight against stopping in this case if i take as much fix him in fight against violence in football
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so uh as you know was wow more a little more or less aware
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cafe the new way five elected and you press it and and some months ago
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in september two thousand sixteen mister alexander suffering from is living yeah he was
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a pressing of the is living in football last yeah yeah federation
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uh and when he was elected the first thing that he did was
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we need to change the structure of the company for several reasons openness on
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the tough but i am going to lounge kind of protecting digging division
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and is protected making division which has just been established two months ago
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easy in church of protecting the game in the sense that integrity in the field of play and it'll
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be much victim by less the sibling ethics class outside if you don't play finance have a plea
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for last right now i have to admit that the
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one of the crucial and title problems uh an
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the main problem by now is if i can smack fixing you know easy spread
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at a lower level in europe as well we're suffering in some particular countries
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and it's really really really complicated to tackle because behind
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magic same you will find their mafia organised crime
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so in the sense we need the cooperation of photo poured into power public authorities
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and you know in the end wife awfully far we affable organisations private associations we know more or less
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how what a night football matches away for chump usually they way fold open a cassette and the seventeen on the night then
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but you know in the m. m. earlier by profession school uh you know it's
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really really difficult to tackle this problem only from the perspective of really useful
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this is an example a few days ago we have just finished a process
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in other to select the face intended investigator for twenty five so
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we're selecting a cop sold two weeks at all we signed the face
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contradicting way fat and a former copper format a local copy
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he will join way far in september two thousand and seventeen in order to
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have passed and in this area docking and match fixing because you know
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the sport has changed a lot in differing areas t. v. sponsors et cetera et cetera et cetera but also in the
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area of the province in this case in the area of integrity and particular in the area of match fixing
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it's interesting that you identify financial for players integrity era when some people would say the typical
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cases players more laws aaron's and goes out of business that simply out of a bad
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business decision is not and uh i don't integrity issue of why the integrity issue
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well for last uh a financial for bass part of thing technically strategy because
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again i think that we need to guarantee the stability of the competition
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and we need to guarantee that the claps wow very close to this report this ah they are and will be there
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for the next one hundred years so you know i can respect and we can respect that
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you know we have a clap funny since he's paying now it's popular all him inland
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and premier league when some guy standing outside united states for instance
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all from kept ah the ah coming to inland they're coming
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to london they're coming to moderate say we put money on these clap and then in four five g. s. ten belief
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and a clap is destroyed the only for the simple fact that in three years they put a lot of money
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but then when the dalai it's not really fashion and you know i'm not boring i
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don't like the toy so i can leave but the the cat is this story
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and you know we are they organise of the competition we care about football this is the mark
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of the company and it's not only a motto we believe there are some colleagues here
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uh from my fat and we believe in this model so you know we care about football and if we care
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about football we need to guarantee that the class they are very close to the support this out yeah
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third becomes integrity issue because a cop is not just a business the clubhouse supporters
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yeah they didn't do this is this is the this is the idea of course you can say well you know way fluffy file d. i.
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l. c. yeah making a lot of money with t. v. rights i'm
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so long they are not longer privatisation zack companies of koch
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of course i l. c. wife effie found the average of annotations of course we cannot hide these
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but at the same time we have values we have principles and we need to protect the spanish
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some principles and the money is used in the benefit of football in the benefit of sport
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this is that the of course grey pants and a um like a from your
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point of view what's the biggest threat to sports integrity that concerns you most
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and um uh yeah i mean but you can speak both from the point of view of the
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world indians association but that's also that's of for a gentle sector within flash around the board
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thanks so come morning everyone um or
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i was one of the six percent of those in the year in the questionnaire
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and it's and uh not too long the importance of the four main topics
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um i i think that so you can to force sport from society
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um and so there for for maybe the main
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issue is the moral framework of society
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if um if you have a society where winning
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is the most important thing where people see
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um big business get away with all sorts of things which are which are
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attempting to banks being find uh people who or um in government um
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benefiting for themselves rather than for the people that are supposed to represent
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if that's the more framework sport fits within that's um and then you have to
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the difficulties in sport arise from the general difficulties that you
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have in society so for me part of it
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is to ensure that we have for we try and individually um
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try and live our lives in them in a more wary
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to build the sort of society that we we all want and them uh specifically
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in sport if it comes to anti dumping or match fixing or whatever
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put rules and regulations in place so that those people but most
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people are good and want to do the right thing
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some people are bad i mean that's just the way it is all walks of life not just for
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and there's some people who get tempted to do things they wouldn't normally do because either they
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think they won't get caught or because the temptation is too great take with the temptation
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make it so that it's more likely that they'll be caught so be frightened doing things they shouldn't do
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then you have more chance of having a level playing field for everyone and getting rid of the the bad side
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of sport never everything else in society so what was your summarise that was your actual answer to the question
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oh that's my uh as one of the six percent of bothers us it's the
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to me the main concern is the more framework of society and the fact that
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uh if you have a society that says winning is the most important thing um
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forget about the rules that is very difficult for sport to be any different
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um and then you try i'm in shore that sport
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espouses the via the the correct values that you want to see and then you put in
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the rules and regulations in place and reinforcements in place to make sure that um the back can happen right
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that's why i don't look um what what's the biggest threat supported technically more like i'm
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sorry melissa and and also uh you know how cannot write better combat or
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so maybe before i can answer your question a few
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words about uh the association have the privilege
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the chair the the well the lottery association is uh the the the the biggest association of
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but only laurie operators but also sports betting a
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operators worldwide on five continents we have one
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hundred and sixty members uh so choose the shoes lowery nine uh uh uh the manager
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uh but also with the the the french for you determine known the well on on on all
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five continents eighty percent of our members of the to operate a sports betting a as well
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and uh the mount them the two biggest uh operators
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worldwide uh the chinese uh suppose florida and um
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oh well so whether the d. d. italian a lower rio
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operator so we are very much involved in sports betting
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so the answer to your question is of course that we are concerned but there were threats
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uh to spurts whether you choose a to paying for the lack of sustainability the lacrosse
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financial sustainability the lack of social responsibility everything uh related
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to two separate but in the centre of
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our activities sports betting then uh the fact that we identified to be the most uh important
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won this match fixing but uh that's obvious i think that compared to well uh de de
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de other possibilities that we had the um the
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pope to answer the match fixing his
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dangerous in the sense that it is really to
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to international crime and duties where about money
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of course propane use the danger the support but there is no
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this much money and uh as much uh international legal
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activities related to coping ban the use the case to uh
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to support putting so what we want to protect
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in putting a measures in place to prevent to match fixing as much
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as we can is not only our operations as a sports
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betting operators but also teeth integrity uh and then you didn't agree
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to your of support that the second part of your
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question is how to tackle a how to uh contribute because uh
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i think that we can only contribute uh it's robust decoders
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who should be the import of course the u. f. o.
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and all the so the international support for the ration
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uh it starts from the the grassroots sports a duplication of the
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young athletes uh to the low level the the two
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lower leaks because it's where uh uh there's the the match
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fixing a is the more and more much more than
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the bigger the the major leagues so with about indication it's about
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information of where the stakeholders the it's maybe even somewhat
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surprising sometimes to me when i'm travelling in my capacity of
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uh the well the uh the president of the world
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dorian sports betting organisation to revise that in some countries well the
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the law enforcement authorities the government's the regulators in charge of sports
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betting that do not realise that uh if we could be
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the uh associated to a a form of very dangerous uh
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criminal activities so it's about information and as far as we are a concern it's
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uh about the detection of what we call look suspicious betting patterns so
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uh we can go up for the into the details during the the but
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the the panel and i can that you know what but we do
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uh as a ah an association to prevent them to detect uh incorporation
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with you with a few via you see on the whole international
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for the russian through our membership just before we had on the panel um uh
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an interest and other other other trends and that fixing other particulars board so that that your
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graphical areas at the moment without that or multiple rubble to battery that they all
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sports up hon to to to match fixing a if you are a review the international
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press every day uh uh i guess that there is not as one single baby
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we're when you can not read something about match fixing a it all
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started to find may see the with the development of the internet
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internet has changed tremendously the extent of match fixing it was probably
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twenty years ago um and it all started with cricket
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and then uh the sports that are the most frequently uh
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do you uh well uh the centre of the match fixing you shoes
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or football or of course soccer but not only pennies uh
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badminton cricket and uh uh cycling for minimum
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a everything all sports are uh
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possibly at the centre for much fixing activities i think many people
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find it hard to understand how it can be things go
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on what 'cause that means having to know you know eleven players not just one player or a fifteen dollars it right
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i think that uh uh we have someone on the panel can uh let us know uh about
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how we can happen but what we experience is that it doesn't require the entire team
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but maybe group of the the players it can be also
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the the referee and to keep in mind that
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we do not that uh currently not only on the
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final result of the competition but also on haven't
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it's that or not concede you to put the final result it can be uh uh well the the
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result that the halftime uh uh uh the number of
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corners of a red card yellow cards and
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so many different elements uh uh that are possible to bet on
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in what we call would be a good match live the betting so that it's making it very
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very difficult from our point of view support operator to monitor okay like that
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a man all i'm saying question q. will write a sports integrity concerns you might
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i think it's very uh good morning and thank you for the invitation i think
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it's very interesting to see that for every one of us of course
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it's uh our sector uh uh which is there of course
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a very important and i see many dangers that
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what you what you were mentioning and what i missed i think
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the most uh in the in the presentation this morning
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and this is why was i i uh i chose there the answer but there are there for the plot is
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a it is the word and rights and i think it
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in sports and there is uh something very important
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it's not only about i think it's not only about sustainability
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it's about riots because uh and we have a that this part
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as you as you mentioned is part of the society
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and so for example in the guy that a sporting
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event eh you have people involved you have
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worker it's you have people uh building stadiums and
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they can be migrant workers uh you have the local population
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for example when there is a a big gains
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eh maybe the government will uh uh for example
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say and you as a journalist you
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can at a treaty size uh they're in big games you good to jade
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so they ah plenty of routes around sports
00:28:13
that can there be violated in relation
00:28:17
we set a with part and i think bases far as as a
00:28:22
human rights organisation and see the society very important always to and i could put
00:28:28
back uh uh the the the human rights at the centre and to say
00:28:33
a sporting organisations have a responsibility to protect human rights
00:28:38
in me guess sporting events okay and and
00:28:42
a in in this context are you defining right or human rights of course is is
00:28:48
a very broad but they are conventions uh and uh as a divinely mentioned
00:28:55
uh there are conventions that say for example that a work as it should be
00:29:01
for example respected should be should be paid when they
00:29:04
worked uh and there for example the uh
00:29:08
it shouldn't be like a in a situation where the can at
00:29:11
uh get there a passport back and be kinetic the country
00:29:16
these are basic human rights that we see that
00:29:19
are violated it uh in that context
00:29:22
of and the guy sporting events freedom of expression is a basic human right
00:29:28
and uh is frequently violated a in a in relation with for example
00:29:34
uh i mean big gains in countries where they're already problems at least yeah with freedom of expression
00:29:40
uh our freedom math than i asked somebody and
00:29:43
so we can really like say that many
00:29:48
fundamental human rights are violated in relation with me guess sporting
00:29:52
events uh when uh it goes to a for example
00:29:58
uh as i i mentioned assembly uh expression workers rights
00:30:03
and so on and not to mention of costs
00:30:06
and time and to rights so for example for a person the right to leave in uh
00:30:11
uh in a situation where the environment is not what you did and so on
00:30:16
uh there are plenty of examples uh of uh in
00:30:19
a situation where these right whales or violated
00:30:23
are you concerned uh about three fourths um depiction of
00:30:29
well resins of of uh places where for example
00:30:33
a hundred or even bolder those issues yeah
00:30:37
and i think yeah we have also uh and here in uh in in the room
00:30:41
as an organisation that there have been very active against a a force that makes
00:30:46
sense for example industry you know some communities and where a ethic did
00:30:51
uh it was also the case in a eighteen where uh and
00:30:55
that's of people where i think did a forced addicted
00:30:58
and that this is of course a the right to housing which
00:31:02
is they're violating in in in this case and and
00:31:05
the problem is that not only a day local communities are
00:31:10
evicted with people trying to define defend these communities
00:31:15
uh received threats and intimidation says and they cannot like try
00:31:19
to defend this people so this is also a
00:31:23
something back we uh unnoticed in the context of make
00:31:27
a sporting events in that in many situations
00:31:30
right is violated and people if we who is trying
00:31:33
to like defends uh the local communities because
00:31:37
in many occasions they cannot defend themselves are the they don't have
00:31:41
like an access to journalists to to fee factual you see
00:31:46
so it usually they go to access stations to to
00:31:49
organisations and then people trying to defend them
00:31:53
they are oh so uh put a into a
00:31:57
situation where they had their rights are violated
00:32:00
where a d. r. put into jail and so on so and
00:32:04
i think this is a it shows that uh they are
00:32:08
basic human rights that have it to be defended and uh it
00:32:13
i think it's very important to track the not only
00:32:16
uh eh a whole stink city our host state so
00:32:23
with the the the can't read the government
00:32:25
but all still uh that the uh and uh uh bodies that
00:32:30
are organising a is a big games okay nice in there
00:32:34
uh the the cap uh it's it's very
00:32:38
important also that they take their responsibilities
00:32:42
are that it should be resold i'm sorry my vocal contingent is that
00:32:46
how can that they should be resold in the sense that uh you
00:32:49
know if it's easy once those the um major bad and
00:32:53
the side that is designated has some people living on it is it
00:32:57
simply a question of a sufficient financial call compensation or other other
00:33:03
issues and so i think it's a a very important uh
00:33:09
it's not so please uh actually beating the games
00:33:12
are uh the cap and it's very important that uh
00:33:16
it it should be already at the beginning discussion
00:33:20
uh and also maybe a patch from at this stage we'll who will organise it i. d. c.
00:33:26
t. will be out in i think how they will built the stadium how they will
00:33:31
uh and uh do it because of course uh if a fee
00:33:36
for our diocese just like attributing and then saying we have
00:33:40
nothing to do with that now you are they the organising body and so we have nothing to do with it
00:33:47
this is not response about this is not accountable so we what we ask now is that really to
00:33:53
change the mindset and to ask uh oh right d. d. okay nice actually saying how they will
00:34:00
be able to the stadium and so for example of course a
00:34:04
financial uh uh compensation for the people who will be
00:34:08
i think takes a from the place informed consent rights to descent
00:34:14
uh rights to organise themselves and so on these are basic human rights
00:34:19
usually are a a guy guaranteed a in a situation where
00:34:24
uh you build something else than a efforts that's feasible says they do that
00:34:30
certainly when it goes to support it should be okay that you lose your
00:34:34
uh your house and actually use all your rights no that's not okay
00:34:38
even if it's fights part even if it's far and nice
00:34:42
uh and uh i i i quit football match so
00:34:45
i i'm really enjoying guy uh like uh uh watching their their the next well but the problem is that
00:34:52
i cannot enjoy it knowing that people where if it had lots of people lack killed
00:34:58
at building stadiums let's have people had a their rights violated i think it
00:35:03
for the public it's very important or know what so to know okay
00:35:07
this was done in a manner that last respecting the
00:35:11
people uh the local population the migrant workers
00:35:15
and then of course the rights of the uh the the people doing the spot right about all of my view was coming but
00:35:22
i think that is working or uh can you hear yeah that's what i am um yes that well
00:35:29
that's very important issues and come back to the morality of of society but um
00:35:36
without athletes well olympians without football is the reason is for uh
00:35:41
um and so it's important that you look at the
00:35:46
rights of the athletes of the of the participants um and
00:35:50
as far as athletes and olympians are comes so
00:35:54
there's two main rights that they would put at the top of of the top of the list
00:35:58
although i put other i'm speaking is not for the world limping dissociation which is the alumnus
00:36:05
twenty thousand living olympians in the world they would put anti dopey at the top of the list
00:36:11
because there are two rights which are abused by joking one is the right to compete
00:36:18
on a level playing field so that the rules everyone competes with the rules and
00:36:23
you know that you have an equal chance as anyone else well uh
00:36:27
uh according to natural talents and the way you trained and everything but uh you have
00:36:31
an equal rights of one else within the rules uh to compete and and when
00:36:35
and the other is that you should have the right to be able
00:36:38
to compete i'm in such a way that you want forced
00:36:43
to do harm to yourself physically and hoping it's not
00:36:48
just about cheating it's also about the fact
00:36:50
of what it does to your body both at the time the competing but also for
00:36:56
for the rest of your life so it's important that we
00:36:59
keep the rights of the athletes because without them
00:37:04
none of this exists keeps that the forefront which is one
00:37:08
very pleased that uh that the ayers see um
00:37:11
wants to keep athletes at the at the forefront of their thinking for the olympic movement
00:37:17
as far as anti dumping is concerned the w. a. has a three point plan which we think can help
00:37:22
um one is totally independence anti dumping testing no matter uh i
00:37:28
was the c. of the international report for for ten years
00:37:32
we had a really good anti dumping plan it costs a lot of money um
00:37:37
i was independent from me or anyone else who was organising the events
00:37:43
but there's a perception as well i mean how are you supposed to know that
00:37:47
it's independent if it's part of our organisation and also how you know
00:37:52
could i'd be tempted to do something part of organisation it should
00:37:55
be independent anti dumping testing um should be independent from sports
00:38:01
from governments and from event organisers that's the first first part the second part
00:38:07
is more money needs to be spends on on and the doctor um
00:38:12
we also have a medical committee looking it's um the the issues
00:38:16
for athletes um both when they're competing when they retire
00:38:20
um and it's um you know one of the one of the the the big issues uh
00:38:27
is what happens to your your body um by competing at at
00:38:33
all the level and the the supplements that you take
00:38:36
or what you take has has a huge um effect on that um so
00:38:43
independence is the first thing the second thing is more money needs to be spent on investigation
00:38:49
um and on fighting sort that the point about the medical committee
00:38:54
was we looked into what money was being spent so long
00:38:57
in terms of um health and fitness for athletes around the
00:39:02
will most money is being spent on performance enhancement
00:39:06
and also being spent on cheating on topic how to do it so well money needs
00:39:12
to be spent on uh keeping ahead of the game keeping ahead of the
00:39:16
of the cheaters and the third thing um which is probably more specific to the
00:39:21
uh to the big movement is that there should be some sort of
00:39:24
independent and ongoing mechanism if a country or sport is sanctions
00:39:29
then clinging athlete should not be punished as well there should be some way for them to be able to compete
00:39:35
even if their sports is found to be guilty of them of them fractions of an interest in in your
00:39:41
um example lovely interest around the board and it's successful draping occur program
00:39:48
i look at other ugly fat i look at that size role requires that last time yet but have they've got you really would
00:39:54
go up top and you look at some later but they really
00:39:57
are they really clean cardinal your uh this though that's all
00:40:03
um i think first point to make is you can't win because if you test
00:40:08
and the cost of testaments as are the sport is sports not clean um
00:40:14
if you test and you don't find anyone they say oh we're not trying
00:40:17
hard enough um so you really can't win one way or the other
00:40:21
we have in competition testing we have out of competition testing
00:40:25
uh um so it's not we and yeah so right b. has in competition testing of competition
00:40:30
testing all you can say is someone is clean at a particular moment in time
00:40:34
which is why you need to spend more money on technology in order to be able to say people clean all of the time
00:40:41
and so i think the way things are going with wearable technology is
00:40:45
it you'll be able to wear wrist band that can attract you
00:40:49
all the time and so you'll note that someone is clean you can also use things like like detection
00:40:55
uh in order to ask people from coming from another point of view whether they've
00:40:59
done something um illegal arrest human rights are are are kind of flat
00:41:04
my my headache yeah but you signed up to something if you wanna compete uh if you wanna join the club the rules for the club
00:41:11
um these are clubs right if you wanna come p. these are the rules if you don't like the rules don't complete
00:41:16
um i think it's important that everyone understands a and
00:41:20
has the the the confidence in sport that is
00:41:24
clean it is real it's a real contest uh and then take an investor emotions in it
00:41:30
uh and understand that if they do want to place a bet that it's a fair
00:41:35
that if they want to fall the team they know they're trying their hardest
00:41:40
uh in order to try to win and that um there aren't false barriers against them being
00:41:46
able to compete for great things like um if we can get back to giovanni um
00:41:51
uh and from from the point of view of uh yeah yeah quickly
00:41:56
one comment on it yet because i was making the point though
00:42:00
it will also stated located for example it will instruct
00:42:05
a e. e. cost a bit now so e. e. in i used it just said
00:42:12
my is it okay we'll that we're going to this that these pointing directly
00:42:18
but i enact leaf football is all before becoming
00:42:22
a professional athlete was was like one
00:42:24
of us it was training to become somebody else away any we finishes care yeah
00:42:29
yeah we eh work would be somebody taking active or
00:42:34
a professional live so i think this is
00:42:37
the kind of life cycle we we also when we talk about values and the in
00:42:42
the importance of the sports it within the source i this is something that we need to remind everyone of
00:42:48
um so otherwise i i thought i would you and and i think it correctly
00:42:51
was uh was is often mention is structure we haven't inside that will do
00:42:57
well but i think we need to where the in the as far as i know all of this being something
00:43:02
on the the yellow sort of dialogue on the conditions of athletes vertically football is which which is stark
00:43:09
we need to own stock it yeah you always looking into it the way
00:43:12
the request of the professional players uh a fee for all the affiliation
00:43:18
to see if the visa in need for a convention or a recommendation which will be allies
00:43:23
two thousand eighteen by that actually but that's okay i wanted to ask you
00:43:28
in your role as a special voice of international labour organisation um
00:43:33
were you involved in addressing the apply to indentured workers um
00:43:38
uh oh working on the cats are twenty twenty two infrastructure um and i think for those that
00:43:45
are not fully aware of what the problems are
00:43:48
can you describe the indentured system um and
00:43:53
what's wrong with it and uh and is it also uh in operation and
00:43:57
others sort of supporting infrastructures around the world o. e. i mean
00:44:03
from institutional point again not responding to uh personally but i after you put up so just
00:44:09
to indicate because there is not a structured bitsy dealing directly with the case of uh
00:44:14
it john actually look at that's up to you a little background very
00:44:17
very briefly the background is uh the we're talking about workers
00:44:22
employed by companies to believe any infrastructure so those who are responsible for the
00:44:28
for those workers are actually the workers unions are out of work and particularly
00:44:33
it to be precise the leading good workers uh international because they they are pointing your on
00:44:39
what they know what's going on at the level of the infrastructure he gets on
00:44:44
and we also have the capacity when that i wanted to raise the issue directly both at the
00:44:49
government level with the cat that government as well as the companies and this is what happened
00:44:54
yeah they should they to perhaps is important to mention the
00:44:57
ideal is not uh easy is an important structure because
00:45:01
oh on creative in nineteen eighteen because normally i mandate is to
00:45:06
make sure that the eventually was that that uh opera
00:45:09
in connected so weakly not at the level of this that it but the community over all of us still constituents
00:45:16
create the those standards and then we this is a good idea to master provide support to
00:45:21
the comedian expect to make sure independently in the point was made about independence yeah
00:45:27
the comedian expect what actually supervise the the the implementation of this that's so for example
00:45:33
the than a a basic uh a human rights that that's awfully them associate
00:45:38
they respected in some of those countries are now and we we are
00:45:42
not going after the the countries by saying you're not expecting
00:45:46
the government's right to five those conventions and i want to make it easier because
00:45:51
uh we yeah the colouration of nineteen ninety data actually in many for
00:45:55
i got an encounter with these men but of yeah yellow but it's
00:45:58
not ratified the convention those convention are so important because they are
00:46:03
related to human rights like freedom association nondiscrimination it what
00:46:06
you put duties child labour forced to a label
00:46:09
they even if they didn't ratify the convention they subscribe to the convention so this is the phase where
00:46:16
actually you know even in what government does it comply with their own
00:46:20
oh on a assessment all of the all the international conventions so
00:46:25
they we eva it technical assistance role to play so
00:46:29
is that you know we go there and say okay let's let's work together to make sure that your legislation is
00:46:34
up to par with respect to the complex number one not but all we can prevent uh i to go
00:46:41
which is the we most of the international body related to a free for yeah um
00:46:48
unions for example to complain to go the act of easy to complain to ask for inspections and so on
00:46:55
b. w. i. we're always mentioning before the is actually i'm getting there we think about
00:47:00
or it is to inspect the places so they actually don't in a more you
00:47:05
from december two thousand and sixteen n. in march up to thousands seventies soul
00:47:10
couple months it will actually they contacted inspection to the press so
00:47:15
they say that it it is what we what are the the shoes now the one that conventions that are out
00:47:21
there is it maybe the shape of those governments of joining the a low these options to be also another
00:47:26
a yes that that we're not related to sport or not i or other areas for example environment yeah yeah
00:47:32
you see and um uh and they they have all these they thought entitle not only to
00:47:37
twenty eight to complain but also to seek immediate in the in
00:47:43
this respect i want to make it any information we
00:47:45
work we got the stakeholders in a multi stakeholder initiative which is called make a sporting events in human rights
00:47:51
and we're not alone i mean that was i
00:47:54
initially volvo international organisation eyeball is it
00:47:59
to people international trade union configuration it initially will coca cola
00:48:03
initially what we just because they have sponsors of
00:48:05
the beings in the sponsors of all display the sporting events and they want to make sure that
00:48:10
you know the the issue they say i image attached to that i guess sporting events
00:48:15
how do we deal with these and i think he's he's famous connected with integrity
00:48:21
yeah if we know all the line of trees get then we can manage it take
00:48:24
anything we can have a vision on integrity which is three hundred sixty degrees
00:48:28
and this is what is happening in sports and i think over the last two yes a lot of steps it be done with respect to it
00:48:34
seen it so side including honest intonational that is or mothers ah ah ah of this
00:48:39
initiative so we we do not at the this same deals on those issues
00:48:44
yeah not is not the only go all about the implementation only what rights
00:48:48
of course what when it comes to label right you can ask yeah it'll what is the interpretation what is the
00:48:54
jews prove it's how the convention that should be integrated in this is what we ought to provide for free
00:49:01
but others scandal in the case of the w. i. e. that the only way to
00:49:06
look at that and say you know we want to know what's going wrong
00:49:10
we want to know what we want to avoid the because our projection is that that we have a hundred the
00:49:16
injuries and fatalities we're going to have by the time the the if you forgot his organised thousands of
00:49:22
so we need to avoid bits and pieces that collectively and i think that's
00:49:26
that's what is new with respect to the new frameworks any it does
00:49:30
it does it leave all the businesses into it which i think it's
00:49:33
it's important okay thanks give money media if i can um
00:49:37
well first of all i have to admit that that the i feel a little bit uncomfortable because you know um
00:49:43
in in the syrian folk you i'm focus some match fixing dropping and so on so forth
00:49:48
and you know by hitting the statements that that really statements we actually speaking about
00:49:52
rights of individuals and so on i feel a little bit and confirm because in
00:49:56
the amount focus on not very specific it is if it begins max fixing
00:50:00
oh the face against my yeah and developing on or top in that you know it's important
00:50:05
but is not so important like lisa yeah yeah input understand it's not the coming
00:50:09
from to click so well i've got of corruption question uh for you um
00:50:15
um yeah there's some graffiti in in less than is just up the other
00:50:21
a railway station that's been there for about two years i imagine that
00:50:24
quite a few people in this room within it if you i in if
00:50:27
you haven't and it says a lot of football i the file and
00:50:33
i think that's a really interesting graffiti um it can be read various ways but
00:50:38
one when you can read it i think it's this is to say
00:50:41
uh you know even if you hate what happened that fee file it doesn't stop people from loving football and
00:50:48
you know there is no sign of a support for football
00:50:52
drawing off because of of corruption that happened beefed up
00:50:56
so does that mean it doesn't really matter what some ad inserts into a fair
00:51:00
i know each other a money which they shouldn't be so long as it doesn't actually affect what's on the field
00:51:05
um why does it matter if if you have corruption among the sits in football
00:51:11
it's a good question how how it will try to to to find a a proper answer
00:51:16
first of all by looking at the system and i have to admit that these part of our policy freedom of expression
00:51:22
so you know all the absolutely free to to to to to use these islam and indeed
00:51:28
i'm bad yeah well adapted to this islam i know some of those likely from
00:51:33
half yeah so it's recommended him in um in in football stadiums in europe
00:51:38
and first you have to respect approach of course uh yeah this approach sometime this coming
00:51:44
from supporters sometimes are coming from the these approaches are coming from all the areas
00:51:50
but of course now i have to admit it's not the case of way from maybe so um
00:51:55
i would prefer not to speak about three five because i'm not a fee five employee and i don't expect to
00:52:00
be employed by fee fat in in the future because somebody
00:52:04
and i'm very satisfying to french part of switzerland
00:52:08
that uh you know uh uh personally i have taught me that
00:52:12
of course the there is ah oh ongoing in our
00:52:16
past interconnection between mm indeed was supporters and the football organisations
00:52:22
because most likely we have behave improper on properly
00:52:28
and this is real and we cannot hide the situation so
00:52:32
you know in the pass something emotional in week from
00:52:38
and we have to speak up and we have to say whether they'd be drawn weekly drawn in we need to change
00:52:44
and and this is what we're trying to look like now it's not easy because the coach are the everything is
00:52:51
there so you know when the press even of a football
00:52:55
organisation is there for more than twenty five years
00:52:58
so you know the the coaches yeah as we yeah yeah it's all clear a few minutes
00:53:03
ago no so we need to change with the drum and we have to change
00:53:07
and i think that at fee for level and at wafer level now that output examples in this way
00:53:12
within the fee face trying to change is trying to show that they have to change and they
00:53:18
have to implement some book government's policies on the top at the top of the organisation
00:53:26
you are we you disagree i think that they're doing well right now and this is the same situation uh and wafer
00:53:32
fourth way face not prefab so everybody's looking at fee files the one governing body so we always
00:53:38
you know second level but you know the the way for congress passed some important measures
00:53:43
yeah i'm i'm football we're going to implementing some all the ethical prohibitions on now in in in in
00:53:49
in july and for instance when it comes to stop him and and just have some common
00:53:54
in the lives of individuals so in in you only have the intention to pass some important messages
00:54:02
between dropping and price of indeed was for instance for the first time in terms of
00:54:08
integrity with individuals in dublin we're going to guarantee before the way for
00:54:12
the security bodies the guy lake comparable local sound from four place
00:54:18
the second point that we are going to guarantee in the future
00:54:20
is public hearings in dropping cases so if an individual
00:54:25
once upon a caring when it comes to adopt in case we will allow
00:54:29
any with and meet these requests so you know we can not
00:54:32
we don't like the plague behind max behind closed doors to know it
00:54:36
is an important case it affects the rise of indeed was
00:54:39
so we're going to what anti barbecue beans proceedings will be free of cost
00:54:44
so they don't need to pay anything so and these really messes that that smaller steps can show
00:54:50
that we had when something of course it's apple package but you know just hear these comments
00:54:55
in the fight against it dublin in football and the rights of individuals and you know it can show
00:55:01
but you know the it something usable been not only outweigh fat and uh i
00:55:05
from you know because i know a little bit the the the the
00:55:09
the the current v. for president he was the former general secretary of wafer
00:55:14
and i'm convinced that he can do a lot full full for the future of football
00:55:18
okay because he's honest and and he knows the business okay good thank you yes that quickly like yeah you're just
00:55:24
speaking to the question why does it matter of a bunch of suits are cropping take money have support
00:55:30
well the reason that matters is because any federation international or national
00:55:35
their job is to promote and grow the sport if they take money out
00:55:39
and stick in their back pockets instead of putting it into the sport than people who are involved in the sport suffer as
00:55:46
a result the athletes suffer and the people who the who should we should be trying to get to play the sport
00:55:51
or something 'cause they're not spending the money on promoting currents for okay
00:55:56
i'd like i don't look at um a question for you um
00:56:01
but that would be one certain way of preventing that fixing and that is the band decibels board
00:56:07
why not do that yeah because the complex the question does not uh implies a simple
00:56:15
uh so it's a very very complex phenomenon the the
00:56:18
manipulation of sports competition so called match fixing
00:56:22
then you have to realise that the in some cases just to give you an example
00:56:27
the the match fixing occurs when a a
00:56:30
map yeah located in singapore for example
00:56:33
decides that they want to invest because from their point of use investment of their money in
00:56:39
match fixing so uh there uh and service the money the financial reserves use from china
00:56:46
so it's already two countries and maybe they decide to try to fix
00:56:51
the football match in slovenia why not because they have a
00:56:54
coal good contact where they have identified but the planet
00:56:59
uh we used to have a big investor all of a sudden they have lost interest and so
00:57:03
the the very weak they're in a difficult situation they need money so bit target this club
00:57:08
and then to uh and talk to the the players who will be involved in the in
00:57:14
in the in the fixing they were with the uh well compact to deal then enough
00:57:20
so can you imagine how complex it is they are ready for five countries
00:57:25
the implied and maybe they would use a bank account about mass
00:57:29
so it's very complex so the only a possible answer to try to tackle
00:57:34
the match fixing these you used to increase the collaboration between will
00:57:38
be in both stakeholders and in that respect i think that the initiative
00:57:42
that was taken by the council of europe a few years ago
00:57:46
but finally led to the adoption of the convention of mccullough it two years ago to
00:57:51
very good one uh because it implies it is putting in place the the
00:57:56
for the very first time putting plays the
00:57:58
framework list of principles that will the
00:58:02
conferees who would sign and uh finally i hope put in place measures to
00:58:09
the people up a real entertainment fight against match
00:58:13
fixing meeting girls purpose decoders but i'm well
00:58:17
i have to say uh i'm really sorry that very few countries i've actually signed
00:58:23
and ratified uh to consider few up the convention but i think it puts movie start
00:58:29
so this way implies of course the support for the regions i think that the
00:58:35
and it went to do we pack to lead they have to develop the education programs
00:58:40
for the younger players before the lower leagues the onto raj the coaches they will have to
00:58:46
realise what is match fixing it's not just change a little bit the result and not
00:58:52
maybe not even the final result of the competition but just an event that will be
00:58:57
uh happen sometime during the competition but it is really being part of the criminal activity
00:59:04
so that's one thing uh another think is of course uh well the the law enforcement authorities
00:59:10
they have to have the possibility to shoot a to pictures which is not always
00:59:15
possible depending on the the load they had they have at their disposal
00:59:19
the government's the minister's uh the regulators and finally
00:59:23
pass the sports betting the operators the
00:59:27
first thing is to ban well you're betting cued by the legal betting on mean
00:59:34
betting that is not the lower would in the jurisdictions where the player use located
00:59:41
okay and not the openness or that's one thing that is important to give
00:59:45
but when force mandatory to used to soup where it actually happens
00:59:50
and the forest a support betting organise ours it's the the detection of
00:59:55
the it's what we call suspicions betting pattern in a few words
01:00:00
if we uh have from our experience i don't know uh one
01:00:04
hundred thousand francs played on such a kind of a
01:00:09
football match on the the more we're league and if all
01:00:13
of a sudden it's five hundred thousand that are played
01:00:16
in in that special we we must have to put in
01:00:19
place to detect that it is suspicious and then to
01:00:23
give the the information to the uh to the federation the
01:00:26
these what we do we have created a recently
01:00:30
and then an entity that is called the global laurie monitoring system but the space post you
01:00:36
both you he removes and and uh in denmark and we are slowly putting together
01:00:42
all the information that we received from our one hundred and fifty members
01:00:48
worldwide and we collaborate exchange information uh in order to detect these
01:00:54
suspicious betting patent so having said that uh this is
01:00:58
well what we can do and then the difficulty think about
01:01:02
match fixing used to establish the proof that there's been
01:01:06
a a match fixed the because when we when the association it's
01:01:12
after well it's maybe during the game and more often after the game
01:01:17
uh that we can uh detect that there is something suspicious and
01:01:21
then it's very difficult for all the law enforcement authorities
01:01:25
considering the number of possible stakeholders the number of possible countries involved in defeating in
01:01:31
the fixing to uh finally have people sued and content okay like what
01:01:36
radio i think wants to make a quick comment uh then uh well i've got
01:01:40
a question from and all and then we'll open it to the row
01:01:43
it's a small coming i fully agree with dan look of course x. v. he's
01:01:47
maximising you said global phenomenon is playing with the clean l. e. d.
01:01:51
and sometimes for us full full full blown decisions model incisions eh it's
01:01:55
really really complicated nana and right now we've been monitoring system
01:01:59
so they they have just implemented the system we have a contract
01:02:02
with ah suisse company know that too many told wafer competitions
01:02:06
but you know bearing in mind that sometimes act as eh he said somebody's willing difficult to
01:02:12
bulk loading yeah and to come bins the pulleys all the prosecutors that well you know
01:02:17
some class affixes matches here so you need to help last one look excellent meal but we asked suffering he is is
01:02:23
traffic of human beings racks a terrorist and et cetera et cetera et cetera we don't get about football matches
01:02:30
and we don't get about match fixing up with these new monitor systems seems a last year
01:02:37
and it was the face case which was referred to the cold of reputation for the sport is encased within
01:02:41
it being a clap and way for so for the first time we where i could say uh and
01:02:48
brave enough to go to class with betting patterns and to
01:02:53
convince jackass panel that based on the betting patterns
01:02:57
you can conclude because we have already conclude that these matches with fix of course what date a
01:03:03
standard of proof is not the same before the court of arbitration forcible rather than a clinical
01:03:09
but we don't play it in principle about cleaning our decisions we care about the security features
01:03:14
and when it comes to d. c. parameter settings of course the standard of proof might be
01:03:19
balance of probabilities this is the standard full suggested by the international committee
01:03:23
all comparable satisfaction the small the standard of proof a completely different that
01:03:28
the kinetic standard of proof beyond dreaming about a reasonable doubt
01:03:32
so you know now with these monitor system in place so we have saved and resources to protect
01:03:38
the competition because for the first time this is a case of risk and that will
01:03:41
validated by the gas we got all the yeah we come look
01:03:45
at detecting patterns and we can say these match was fixed
01:03:48
and now it's up to the cast wanted to say well you are comfortable satisfied with the set begins with
01:03:53
these experts that these match was fixed again for the first time gas validated the the system like
01:04:00
in analogy with the biological pass for eh last summer and we
01:04:04
were able to screw the clap from the wafer champions league
01:04:06
okay really interesting i mean oh my no i'm a subject i
01:04:11
think you touched on that we haven't really discussed um um
01:04:15
what role can major international sports events play in opening up societies
01:04:19
where there are restrictions on freedom of expression and human rights
01:04:23
um i've seen uh that uh i recently in takes in china and
01:04:29
in russia um this issue with was raised um did those
01:04:34
force any last thing changed you think in these areas and could
01:04:38
three twenty twenty two winter olympics in beijing enable further progress
01:04:44
yeah
01:04:45
and if you remember at two thousand and eighteen uh in bay
01:04:49
clean i think uh of course a we were saying
01:04:54
and then you're at the human rights organisation we were saying that uh there
01:04:59
is a problem uh of a restriction of a freedom of expression
01:05:03
and eh i think nobody wanted to hear it and t. and twenty five
01:05:09
thousand journalists came to by jane and tried to access on internet
01:05:14
and it they typed uh amnesty international our human rights and everything but lacked and
01:05:20
then suddenly they realised oh my god there is censorship uh in in
01:05:24
china and and uh it it was the moment where the i. e. c.
01:05:30
which lets really reluctant to have their conversations with a human rights organisation
01:05:37
a a a a at least a told the the the
01:05:41
chinese that charities now you have to open it
01:05:45
so they open it and uh that was that free access at least for
01:05:49
jen at least for for internet east and and i think and
01:05:55
uh the situation wise then backed uh of course these openness was only for for a tourist
01:06:01
that the chinese journalist out the chinese activists bailout put in
01:06:06
jail and some of them where just realise that
01:06:09
some some years ago and we are now in two thousand and seventeen so almost ten years later
01:06:15
and and uh so i think these shows that a. b.
01:06:19
c. to the the the i didn't games where not
01:06:22
how to fall in the sense of opening the tiny society uh to a freedom of
01:06:28
expression and and uh and human rights and i think this is a problem because
01:06:33
in this part and in it the olympic charter it's really sad that
01:06:39
she no freedom of expression is one peter it's it's really
01:06:43
uh it's really of value that they the olympic a a committee wants to defend
01:06:49
so what we were hoping is of course that situation would change
01:06:53
what happened in so t. insult she uh environmental activists tried to
01:07:00
uh say that where they were not happy we said the way that a big games where uh organised and
01:07:06
they were also put in jail cell and some that people and dennis from then of eighty uh
01:07:13
it internet this we also put in jade some uh uh for some hours it to so we see
01:07:18
that this is not something where we can say okay now it's over and the situation will be
01:07:25
better so not now what we think is exactly what is happening oh still in the match fixing i
01:07:32
think we need now to involve all state quarter and to be open to it i like
01:07:39
and this is now happening i think it's something quite new uh chinese
01:07:44
that it's changing since two years now that eh all stakeholders
01:07:49
are uh in a conversation and back to our uh uh trying
01:07:54
to uh uh identify and be sure is how can we
01:07:58
handle in terms of responsibility of hosted yes
01:08:02
they are host city of companies involved
01:08:06
end of uh again i think bodies such as the i. s. c. n. she fat
01:08:11
where are the responsibilities who should do what at what stage in or to
01:08:16
to be sure that there will be no like restriction of freedom of expression that eh
01:08:23
that their workers rights will be respected that's on and i think this is
01:08:27
it's something that we have to do colour activity because it cannot
01:08:31
be taxed one actor is saying well we don't care it's
01:08:36
still uh it's it's not our part and it's only the problem
01:08:39
not the chinese authorities it's not so it's a collective
01:08:43
responsibility now to put enough pressure on of course the
01:08:48
chinese authorities but also on organising bodies okay
01:08:52
like spinal so um any questions from from the room with right some interesting uh oh
01:08:58
opinions uh and covered some crime i would i would like to ask a question
01:09:04
yes we have one here
01:09:07
uh_huh
01:09:12
have now and first of all thank you very much it was a really interesting and my name's christy have worked for later
01:09:19
and uh you all talked about a different stakeholders and my question is and
01:09:25
you know john attached or read about it on there is no in which
01:09:28
one do you think on this can make a difference to integrity
01:09:33
yes good good question um third year round it you'll start with that one
01:09:46
oh
01:09:47
it's a them in one thing that i myself while i was in uh
01:09:54
uh for example a coca cola has a a
01:09:57
and even broadcast uh all of sport uh
01:10:03
against uh is that they they these days it ma image number one
01:10:08
and number two i think the i i i. e. four e. uh
01:10:16
uh the athletes uh the performance even the source or a a social ah all right
01:10:24
something that doesn't go whale in in in these reporting
01:10:27
on television it begins easy story any patches
01:10:32
and i think there is an understanding that it cannot be done uh against uh it will stand that's
01:10:39
or a against even that i just mentioned one
01:10:44
so i think that that that i think these these prong asked to be more
01:10:47
raw it any more than one on state about the fact that we
01:10:52
if we go from one perspective only sometimes we features you watch what you know
01:10:57
and i think that that you have a chance now whoa whoa great i uh i think what you are well
01:11:07
well you you the day i think it was not a a few years ago so i think we are
01:11:16
yeah i think you mentioned thinking dialogue in yeah you meet
01:11:22
i just want one issue i use yeah top to the e. a
01:11:27
budget that like it when it the phases of the gates
01:11:30
the games that now the body shot the the the the the lakers
01:11:34
in the preparation phase the a a split it dialogue with c. d.'s
01:11:39
that that i appreciate that there is no more something you know i think that what we
01:11:43
the idea is even to improve or even though you're not selected so
01:11:47
that these italian okay yeah i dial they call it really e.
01:11:52
uh well why don't i stand that it
01:11:58
uh if i may say just one one issue we do these and all all these conversations brings up
01:12:04
'cause we enter academic environment something about music you really just all these
01:12:10
box out something which really like you know yeah uh of course we're working only uh
01:12:16
so we know what i mean but we also need where i will approach those all we are we worked worked
01:12:23
late for us and i think this is something that the young people you know students and others might
01:12:29
look from their own perspective because it's it's it's different from what we were doing before we we went
01:12:35
okay trying something like um i love you only the role of sponsors in ensuring integrity or
01:12:42
yeah um it costs money uh to have anti dumping it costs
01:12:47
money to fight against match fixing 'em it costs money
01:12:52
to ensure sustainability so the way a sponsor can help is
01:12:55
to sponsor the programs so you could have the
01:12:59
coca cola and ticketing program for instance um money and promotion
01:13:04
that's where they can help okay right on that
01:13:07
so that the well re association we think that
01:13:10
uh sports betting organise those should never
01:13:14
with the sponsors of a club or whatever to support is uh i think
01:13:21
that uh first of all for a it's a matter of image
01:13:24
the and and a matter of the integrity in our opinion it's impossible to
01:13:29
big bets on the competition where your personally involved where your companies
01:13:35
involved because it is the you are the sponsor of the a team
01:13:39
but but we admit and we to a finance the federations
01:13:45
leaks the especially the four became a using my own example in switzerland
01:13:51
we give a lot of money to uh the streets for both
01:13:53
a ration but they're using this money for the uh the training of
01:13:58
coaches duplication of young players and and mainly progress through supports
01:14:03
so it is something that that is really a huge conflict of
01:14:07
interest that we uh would prevent our members to do
01:14:11
when you got about on your hands on your because a lot of
01:14:14
a betting companies articles yes but they are not members of our
01:14:19
association uh i have to well uh i will not enter into
01:14:23
that discussion that would be a little bit tricky i think
01:14:26
but we we consider that in most cases these operators they're acting illegally in the
01:14:31
sense that uh they have licensees in places like your proctor and mouth up
01:14:36
uh the belief that these licenses allow them to say oh uh uh
01:14:41
internationally there the bets uh even in places like switzerland with where
01:14:46
they have no licenses and the rights to do so
01:14:49
um and at the same time they're using uh the the the the the fact that they're out the
01:14:54
sponsors of big teams to promote their image and that
01:14:59
their their activities are approaches to be different
01:15:02
we're focusing our were financial resources on the federation's leaks the promotion
01:15:09
of educational support and graphs for sports okay right um no
01:15:14
just a word about a companies i think they had that
01:15:18
big a responsibility a you know a tactic uh
01:15:23
uh they'll begin eighty nations adapted guiding principles on business
01:15:28
and human rights and these guiding principles i
01:15:31
i'm not a legally binding that they are uh
01:15:35
saying that for example the company should not
01:15:39
invest money in an event where a a deck put clothes a human rights violations
01:15:45
so it's very important to put also pressure on companies that they wouldn't sponsor
01:15:50
an events that will add contribute to human rights violation okay fine
01:15:55
well the question for me although as well um i think that's so this gentleman here first uh towards the back in the middle
01:16:06
i think you uh i'm actually from today is um a running the children when campaign
01:16:13
i should have a kind of three remarks starting with the quick questions actually to all of us
01:16:18
a link to to what mister garcia was saying about integrity integrity is
01:16:22
good sense solely in a bit provocative way i would say
01:16:26
you know easy good sense that a mega sporting events which is a competition that last three
01:16:32
weeks or a six weeks if we include the pearly picks for example the olympic games
01:16:38
uh easy to good sense you know that for these six weeks we change the lives of
01:16:44
uh maybe a thousand people on on uh all affected communities and
01:16:49
and i think it's it's of course a a question mark that but
01:16:55
he chose that the reason we you need to organise these mega sporting events
01:17:01
uh taking carefully into consideration uh of course the rights though the
01:17:06
aspects and uh we we you organise these mega sporting events
01:17:10
and in that way i think sport governing bodies are as well in a very unique position
01:17:16
actually to set the standards about how they want this mega sporting events to be organised
01:17:22
and he sees the work we are trying to to to to get the roll the ball rolling on
01:17:28
uh about uh i haven't you know standards in terms of workers rights labour rights
01:17:34
uh all all types of rights in terms of organisation i think that's
01:17:38
that's very important because right from the start from the bidding process
01:17:43
the sport governing bodies can actually oblige energies released what you were saying suggesting
01:17:49
about bringing changes in the country you know through the mega sporting events
01:17:54
if they want to host just the mega sporting events they need to fulfil that
01:17:59
the mega sporting events he's organised along these of for example human rights that
01:18:05
and uh i think the the the last point uh i wanted to make easy he's more the
01:18:11
fact that we are seeing right now changes happening
01:18:16
within the sport governing bodies on these issues
01:18:19
uh but these changes are of course on you now on paper
01:18:23
so the bidding documents are changed to hear the host city contract
01:18:28
is change there and use are really positive changes we
01:18:31
need to continue on but of course the reality test is
01:18:35
not yet passed and he sees the challenge we
01:18:39
or facing on this issue all the coming uh coming years thank you very
01:18:42
much media maybe i could come to you on that one you are
01:18:47
are you ready for which is the right holder for major sporting event uh that your internship that the
01:18:52
next one and you're twenty twenty is gonna be in several countries not just one comes right
01:18:57
uh do except for the us speaker with saying about the responsibilities you have
01:19:01
as they uh as the rights holder for like a sporting event
01:19:06
well first of all we still have feel was my father so i mean we'll
01:19:09
thank you very much for the treatment so yeah of course i fully
01:19:15
because in the end what he's trying to to to say spot of common sense of course i think
01:19:19
that we have our responsibilities builder twenty twenty will be
01:19:23
a little football for everyone so it's yeah
01:19:26
really any gate then we thirteen see teens is haiti's eh involved
01:19:31
but i fully agree with these comments no so you know
01:19:34
i i just mentioned these yea petitions bias by the way for congress in helsinki
01:19:40
two months ago in one of these efficiency it's for the future
01:19:44
with the beacon process so sound that these will be implemented
01:19:47
and the process will be transparent so for now long life i will not be side where the wafer champions league final
01:19:54
will be might read only lawn don't for whatever reasons no not the process will be absolutely open
01:20:00
and the the the painting is the the the the c. d. c. countries will pass some integrity
01:20:06
check special him holding all and in conclusion i fully agree with this approach absolutely okay great
01:20:13
and we've got five more minutes and and several more questions um so we're trying
01:20:16
get rumours as quickly as we can the gentleman with when voyager that
01:20:22
thank you and my name's nigel colour on the city of uh uh the digital isn't cycles style up
01:20:28
we don't want to work with smalls organisations and more questions about digital
01:20:32
because i think um i mean inside the biggest problem was much fixing
01:20:38
within football and joey was saying uh that much writing problems of the national last twenty is with the utterance of the internet
01:20:45
so we're really talking about is the internet and digital technology for soliciting these problems
01:20:52
so because we build these colour solutions that fix these problems what
01:20:56
else can we do what can the digital community do
01:21:00
to fix what are essentially digital problems right question yeah i don't like
01:21:07
um it's not the digital problem digital gives the platform
01:21:11
to be able to have the uh the issue
01:21:15
um to be work through is what you need to have this enforcement in place
01:21:20
and the enforcement can take place in the physical in the digital world
01:21:25
i think that it's all about the ability to collect information
01:21:30
uh to detect suspicions betting patterns or suspicious uh
01:21:35
match fixing so i think that you've to digital environment
01:21:39
can contribute to the enlarge and develop the possibility
01:21:42
we have to change efficient and precise uh information on a a suspicions that we may have
01:21:49
on on match fixing that uh that that is the the good way we could use we could
01:21:54
be using the development of the digital word that uh whether question down here somewhere what yes
01:22:03
good morning i'm i'm with uh but i yeah i'm working with the institute for human rights and business
01:22:10
uh based yeah you long dunno working from geneva we work as the secretariat for the biggest sporting
01:22:16
events platform that germany mention before we have a
01:22:21
a different institutions such as yeah i low
01:22:24
and it's international data does on a product companies governments involved in this
01:22:29
uh and it's not uh my question is a more related to
01:22:33
the highest values of sport and integrity being one of one yeah one of
01:22:38
them and devalues the um outline by the spirit off till only piece
01:22:44
uh it's partisan enable enabler of social
01:22:48
economic double match as an enabler
01:22:51
uh all of the conditions of many people uh in a
01:22:55
different uh areas of the word um what kind of
01:22:59
role cool sport governing bodies and all this decoders that are
01:23:03
involved in sporting agenda play twenty sure that sport
01:23:09
could play these fantastic role of any bull
01:23:13
enabler of uh development uh from a
01:23:16
social economic perspective if only like to also that one huh yeah my
01:23:24
um yeah thanks for that we um the well the princess's system was set up
01:23:29
partly to do just that i'm very modern olympic movement was
01:23:34
set up by pure to keep returning or to create
01:23:37
better in his euro man uh but it was supposed to be to create better people who are guided by uh
01:23:43
the spirit of of in integrity and wanting to have have
01:23:47
fair play and so um sport's governing bodies um
01:23:52
the governing the the bodies it's a represents the athletes were involved
01:23:57
um the business you're involved they should all be promoting the values of sport
01:24:02
and helping to go back to my original point hoping to change the
01:24:05
the moral compass that we all engaging in world so it's about
01:24:10
having a vision and promoting that vision and that vision is that you know sport
01:24:16
can help to make the world a better place okay fine that's like
01:24:19
um in the interest of just getting round everyone that one more question ever that i think that would probably have to be the last one
01:24:26
okay i'm i'm refined work for the rights not used to them and try to bring
01:24:31
i have a question about your inner collective responsibility to make it better you said it was a tuesday
01:24:38
but most of the people in the room painted including is is important
01:24:42
and from pretty funny don't you sponsored uh_huh onto onto lupin program
01:24:48
indian we should carry huge should be independent
01:24:53
uh and if it's independent in if you prayed in your stakeholder and your involvement was right so
01:24:59
we should pay for for for for the program yeah great question i mean uh uh i
01:25:03
think that probably everyone in this room where they hire c. has recommended that that
01:25:08
should be our uh a global independent at the the testing body there is still a
01:25:14
big question about would i for that um that anyone um what do i yeah
01:25:22
well maybe set to teach busy people we should say that it's we have fallen reservations is probably see
01:25:31
so you know full time it's not so it seems that at least they would like to know more
01:25:37
of these independent testing oh sorry i i or whatever that i i
01:25:43
well first of all we don't know anything about this project so it's right in the media
01:25:48
well the speaking about these independent testing on it in the end you know nobody shows
01:25:54
the the the the idea i apparently will be these gas application of the
01:25:58
board meeting of what that in a few days apparently they're not the
01:26:04
full in line so there are some reservations as well so in principle we would like to know more
01:26:09
about independent testing authority i think that maybe these independent thirty now totally makes sense for some sports
01:26:16
but can play differing in other sports i don't know it depends on the structure of the federation's it depends on the system
01:26:22
but eh we're all happy to know more about these project from the i. o. c. might be a very good project
01:26:28
uh i have to admit that for the time being it was these costs hum you know um you know
01:26:35
closed the concept behind closed or use ineffable expression
01:26:40
and you know we're happy to morrow to to know more about this project in the future might be interesting
01:26:45
but we would like to know what about the question or do you think should be bankrupted anything
01:26:51
i think that these may set the responsibility of the sports organisations is is maybe you should you know
01:26:57
we need to pay so we receive a lot of money coming from t. v.
01:27:01
cutting from sponsors so it's our responsibility to take care about the sport
01:27:06
of course through the independent testing authority in correlation with yeah you'll see so
01:27:10
it depends on the structure i think is the the the money
01:27:14
eh it should come from from from the sport this is my my understand that's clear like uh
01:27:21
just as water is funded by governments i'm biased for um it should be the same thing it should be
01:27:27
independent testing authority should be funded by government 'cause government's
01:27:31
benefit countries benefit by having big sports events
01:27:34
and also why people being health your infertile so you don't have the medical issues as well
01:27:38
the government's um sports should page be paid into it should
01:27:43
be a separate bodies and no one individual has control
01:27:46
of it no one government has control of it you pay the money into a big part okay great
01:27:51
i think i'm sorry product of time i'm sorry i didn't get right your question but i think

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Conference program

Introduction
Jean-Loup Chappelet, UNIL-IDHEAP Professor
10 May 2017 · 9:08 a.m.
Organisation
10 May 2017 · 9:20 a.m.
Keynote - Sport ethics
Bengt Kayser, UNIL-ISSUL Professor
10 May 2017 · 9:22 a.m.
Heritage Sporting Events
Joël Pinson, UNIL-IDHEAP
10 May 2017 · 11:59 a.m.

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