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topic after the last topic um it seems quite mundane
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to um be talking about the details of
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over starter plastic which is a um certainly
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let's see how get there yet but challenge here don't know okay thank you very much for uh
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letting me come here and speak with you about uh some of the
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challenges i faced with the restart or plastic over the years
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and uh maybe give you a few tips and tricks on how to
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make this a procedure bit easier for you i think it is
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uh by definition a challenging operation and certainly um it's uh it has very
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uh i think specific and some people would say very limited indications
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but as we understand some of the pitfalls i think we can uh
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get more durable results um and consider expanding ever so slightly
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and cautiously the um uh uh the indications for the procedure and
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that's what i would like to talk to you about
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no united states we have less um implant systems available than
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a worldwide they're not all approve the united states
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you notice from the slide that there's a quite a few similarities between the different
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systems that uh are available i'm going to discuss um based on my um
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experience the um the program that i've been involved with which was the universal universal
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to it now the freedom wrist um but again you see some similarities
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what i'm going to try to present though is so where the commonalities are and how we can
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uh use those no matter which system uh you're going to be using for your patient
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these are the principal goals and i think sometimes we lose sight of these uh and
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i think each one of them are very important to get the optimum result
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you're trying to preserve as much capsule bone and the d. r. u. j. in a non rheumatoid
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uh you want to modify it ever so slightly is needed for the joy a joint and bony deformities
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don't forget to manage the soft tissue contract sure is another imbalances that uh maybe present
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because that may end up being one of your biggest problems down the road
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select the proper size of implant in order to achieve the
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motion instability that you really want to uh obtain
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you do need to worry about long term implant fixation that's uh
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basically our biggest problem i think is we look at longevity
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uh and uh the perform the precise closure uh and uh and i'll talk about that a bit more also
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so let's talk about the perfect world easy wrist as it comes in how do you manage that enough we can
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manage that properly then we can expand sort of our knowledge
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in our our techniques to the more challenging resistant
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so pretty operate planning like anything else is very important fall
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the surgical guide instructions are always remember that most
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surgeons uh don't even read it uh and have many read it the first time but then modified on
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their own i would suggest to you that very few people in this room to restore a starter plastic
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routinely so make sure that you're up on the systems
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uh nuances whatever it's specific sweater it's requirements
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use for asking me um liberally if you can to
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confirm where you're at to um avoid uh mistakes
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uh use the systems guides and and uh and i think they'll help
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you and most important allow enough time don't don't think this
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is an easy operation that you can just slip in at the end of your list uh as one more for the day
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so the exposure i think is one of the keys like anything else in surgery uh
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you need good access to the joint i think this is where people make mistakes
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and a and exposure should be versatile so you can manage the various deformities that might be present
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remember your closure is eventually going to after car so you want to retain the red
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neck along so you can use it for your uh benefit and the capsule
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so this is the reason why i prefer the e. i. a exposure that i've shown
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and um and that all allow you then to make a nice closure
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without inhibiting your motion because i think a lot of times it's talked about is wrist or the plastic doesn't give you
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the kind of motion that we're seeking and i think many times is because we're not doing the proper exposure
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had again we want to preserve the d. r. u. j. particularly in the non rheumatoid patient
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well what goes along with the exposure is also the asked the armies now and most of the
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systems that are available or trying to preserve as much of the bone as we possibly can
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so you wanna minimise the re section of the distal radius which
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preserves your ball wrist capsule and i think that's very key
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urine retain the on our side of the rest the best you can particular the t.
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f. c. and the sigmoid knowledge in as much of the overhead as you can
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and so that require some precise i'm re sections now with the freedom system
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which again is similar to the other systems i prefer the doors look uh uh justly based
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a dorsal capsule or flat broad uh to um uh obtain this sort of exposure
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uh so the most of the time the best up carpal cuts going to be through
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the proximal up for so the handmade which gives you the maximum kappa tate
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uh and some of this gay void and perhaps a residual amount of the track we term
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but i think we found that in many cases we can actually sacrifice the track
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we term without really uh causing any problems with your ability of fixation or
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perhaps we might get in the pews a trick we chop i'm sorry a
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piece of form impinge meant but uh that's not been proven for sure
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again they are re section of the radio should be minimise too but uh
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um retain the board capsule as well as the d. r. u. j.
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and you can see here by setting up by retaining that you can see on this um
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x. ray that you can actually maintain than the short and long revealed in a ligaments
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uh and and the side view again uh we're just trying to create a flat surface uh with
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the systems um maintaining that and you're saying that whether it be a taurus starter plastic
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or as a i have me arthur plastic which i think is an
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now a growing indication for some of the more active patients
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you have to understand what particular wrist system you're using and you want to um recognise where that
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system should be so that you can place the
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arthur plastic in a position to optimise is
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the joint alignment in in most cases what you're trying to do is restore the natural wrist
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um i access the motion which is through the key a head of the kappa tape
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and then that will restore the balance of the soft issues uh both the capsule and must feel tenderness
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so you can see here how there is some shift in the preemptive status of the rest
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uh and that can be corrected with proper component align it
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back to the natural longitudinal axis of the rest
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and again it for him the arthur plastic we're trying to achieve the same thing so that
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the natural restraint emotion hopefully um uh less uh problems with him pension that might occur
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the implant sizing i think is often under stressed uh but i think it's very important again to
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achieve the proper range of motion ah and uh to obtain the best a bony fixation
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but also about some of our biggest challenges are an axial height uh of for
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the rest and preserve the d. r. u. j. as i keep mentioning
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so using this case is an example for a stage working box disease
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well we can look at um what should be the alignment for the at
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least for the freedom or system which i think shares with other systems
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particular you wanna be in the centre axis of the cabot take that's where
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our maximum uh optimal fixation can occur in the just the component
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uh and then the second i think a touch uh most important place
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for achieving good fixation is through the proximal poll the handmade
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so by knowing where those two um uh anatomical um positions are then
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you can uh really modify and and select your proper an implant
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and particularly that will drive the uh proximal portion then for a retain the d. r. u. j.
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yeah long term care ability a certain our biggest problems i think one of the problems uh it is
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again uh not recognising that we're dealing with the multiple uh it
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a bone joint and we want to turn it into a to bone join if we can one of
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the ways to do that is alberto you'd show this many years ago and then j. man and
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his with the proper inner carpal fusion and i think that that does achieve and uh
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i i a lower risk of just a component loosening and there's um uh and
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and maybe adding um inner carpal fusion i'm sorry by adding a um a locking screws
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we may uh in in prove our inner carpal fusion and therefore longterm durability
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so this is often i think i forgot the part of forgotten part of the operation uh
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'cause it's at the end of the procedure uh but i would recommend that uh
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you don't uh belittle this and that you actually uh recognise its importance and certainly are
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shown that in some of the long term uh in in my patient the population
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and here you can see an example that were in six months there's nice a
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fusion that's taken place underneath the carpal a plate i and i think
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uh with the locking screws maybe that helps maybe it's not necessary but certainly
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i'm getting the in a couple fusion i think can be helpful
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the closure i think it's important that we've created a closure
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that uh provides the kind of stability we want
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mostly implants have inherent stability so that maybe isn't the the biggest factor
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but over tightening the capsule can certainly limit motion and that's why
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i again prefer a a broad base flap that can be
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allow you to lengthen and you can even augment that if needed and i'll come back to that in a moment
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so what about when we're not in a perfect world which is most of the cases that we're going to actually consider restart the plastic
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we need a bit more property planning will probably going to need to modify
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the procedure a bit more than what uh that surgical guide might say
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we're going to need to use for us could be more frequently to confirm what we're doing is is working to our advantage
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and we have to modify the um systems guides uh when needed because it may not work
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in every case and you can't be in a hurry or it's not gonna go well
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so there's lots of things that can going to contribute to defer uh difficulties and i think the
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joint surfaces were probably ready for we know there's going to be radius and carpal rotations
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carpal displacements can be a bit a bit more of a problem in channels than we might not recognise initially
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and remodel laying can really for all our orientation off so be aware of that
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other things it can be challenging our radius mel unions in the post traumatic group
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that may uh change the alignment of the axis of the radius uh as well
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as it may actually impede our ability to put in the uh implants
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so for instance in this case where there wasn't probably a accurate rappers are are recognition uh what was
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going on in the rest and uh this is um one of my cases where uh in
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the all or compile i'm sorry the carpet component was uh put in
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that with too much positioning our our say not proper positioning
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within the kappa tate and so it shifted to the older side you can see then we didn't capture on the radio side
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so alignment can be thrown off by this pretty um a
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a pretty operative deformity as a as shown here
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but the biggest challenge i think that we face is axial collapse we need room to get these implants in
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and that we need to modify the technique in order to uh i i get the
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implant in in the proper way without sacrificing the soft tissue so axial collapse
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i think is our biggest concern and the one where you need
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the most properly planning you need to create enough space
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you cannot sacrifice dust billy that's our problem see what i
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maintain the carpets the best you can so you wanna
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it reset more radius but not too much a little bit goes a long way for losing these wrists up
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and if you get nothing more from my presentation is remember
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don't sacrifice this tilly sacrifice proximity to create space
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um and that made that require the sacrifice some of the distal
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all no i prefer away for re section so that i'd
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uh can retain the easy use up she's i can retain the parts of the t. f. c. c. and so forth
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uh so um you but uh you can choose what works best for you
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in this case uh you can see there's some changes in the um on the radius uh that uh we're
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not totally recognise at the time of the surgery and the preamp replanting but you have to be
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ready for those in here you can see their summer rotations are some healing within the of a just
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a radius you recogniser some mel union here everywhere so you need to find the can now
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um and uh maybe shift the implant in slightly as was done here
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in the semi arthur plaster to her in order to put it
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in in uh in the proper position you can see the lateral film shows that it does fall the long axis of the radius
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just a radius million is gonna even be a higher um a difficulty as
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you can see in this case where there's substantial a deformity with
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uh the typical changes that we see and in this case uh i've
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written this up in the journal of of a wrist surgery
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his um i've uses now several times and i think it's a good
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bail out uh that's not in any of the surgical guides
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and that is you can actually use the opposite side implant an asymmetric um
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system and put it in upside down so this preserves the boulder capsule
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it allows you then still the cover that just a radius and get
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a nice closure uh without uh doing honesty ah to me
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other mechanisms that i think we can do a utilise uh that uh been very helpful
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for to me are these patients with the ball or sub workstation the typical rheumatoid
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where we acted to preserve the polar caps o. can be more challenging and hear what we want is nice access to the joint
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uh and we can uh peel off of our capsule so we can retain it
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and then we'd have to remove that of all or lip of the radius otherwise they'll be up
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a impinge men of the of the tendons isn't maybe even irritation the median or afterwards
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and uh uh okay usually only the repair the capsule back to the radius
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fortunately we don't have as much of a rheumatoid deformity group um uh to
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uh as as challenges but these are the maximum challenging patience i think
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in as a group uh when i look back at my group uh we needed to do
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a fifty percent of my patience required some sorta tendon lengthening in soft tissue rebalancing
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so in the greater deformities particular in the door so capsule the tendons
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be ready to do that and you may need to augment
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one of my favourite techniques for augmenting of the all three the polar caps o. torso
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capsule and the red neck and misuse of tense or fashion lotta our craft
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and that's worked well for me but they'll be other options for you that you might wanna use yell
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what i see more and more questions come across is the patients that have
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that prior surgeries and these are probably the most challenging of all because
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you have to deal with scar tissue uh and other things but the these are the categories i think that are
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the biggest challenges and that is the ball last obviously the p. r. c. of four quarter fusion retained
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implants that may get in the way of where you this stems would go in the screws go for both
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the proximal end the just the components potentially if you're going to remove them you may have been lost
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so was then they're going to be enough bone to support your implants you're
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obviously this is the maximum uh probably might have like a p.
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r. c. for our re storing and the joint height a way with
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the soft tissue problems and then there may be partial few asians
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uh or complete fusion see even in which case your surgical guides are probably not gonna help you near as much and
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you may have to do some of this uh on your own with a more and more of an art form
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so the classical challenges in the p. r. c. conversion where i think the most questions come about
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and again uh creating enough space for the implant is one of our biggest challenges
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uh preserving the kappa tate um a is is our goal
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uh preserving the d. r. u. j. if we can as our secondary goal and then our last challenge is what
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we do about the uh the fact left by this cave wait if if we think that's necessary to fill
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well one of the uh tracks that are a couple the tricks i've learned over
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the years for this group because it is a growing group of indications
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is by putting the m. plant in a slightly tilted another word of flatter angle
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um you don't need to a performance much re section of the distal radius on the older side another which you
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can still preserve the d. r. u. j. potentially and you can put the implant in more proximal a
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again you have to worry about preserving the board capsule so you may need to
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peel it away a little bit more but it still can be retained
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if you need to fill the gap where the skate void was by respecting this radius properly you can then
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use that a bone graft uh to fill in from the radius to the gap for this gave way
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or ah oh well we don't use our so that no
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real inflation our goal is obviously early regular motion
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what we want to our demise the asked you integration as hard as for the noise um
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yeah so i i think it's important to reduce the stress on the
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rest for about eight weeks before you let them do their activities
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doubt just close with we also need to be able to have some sort
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of bail out if you will for um the failed toll rest
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we know that that has a a risk we know what can happen uh and i think out
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not having the proper a long long term plan uh is probably an appropriate for patients
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i don't have time to discuss all the techniques for revision our trip
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last the i think it's probably a whole discussion in itself
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but in those cases where there's not enough bone stock available for revision then
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i think our only option then is the conversion to a taurus fusion
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uh the technique um i've written up that i think still works uh well uh and
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is probably the easiest of all the procedures is to use an inter cleary
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oh i'll graph which avoids the uh the morbidity of an autograph
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and i think you can be done with um a can sell us femoral head telegraphed um
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releasing the dorsal play whether or not you need to use a bone a stimulant to
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help 'em speed up the healing i don't know but i have in most cases
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uh so here's the uh sort of the typical um patient where you can see there's good incorporation
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uh of the uh ally craft over time uh i now use a locking plate
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when needed because i think these can take a uh several months to heal
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uh in fortunately um uh the losing rate for these plates is actually very very low
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so um i would like to thank michelle for a of inviting
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me here um uh it's better fun ride with a
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restart or blast the and visit him you run around with your m. g. or his m. g. it's a
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lot of fun uh and uh again i don't want to make it sound like we started last isn't easy procedure
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but i think as we learn more more of the techniques
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uh to help uh get a more predictable result
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that we can expand the indications we shouldn't be as afraid of restart the plastic is
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we were many years ago certainly i was uh and i'm more comfortable with that
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i agree with what we shall presented yesterday when uh he
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talked about his life experiences that it should be
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i thought about carefully uh but uh in the proper
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patient with lower demands um and uh preferably elderly
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oh and recognising their lifetime limitations that uh you can get some a nice results
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yeah he said he would have it done in his own wrist but i can tell you is
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building this sidewalk that goes from is a summer home all the way to the uh
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to the c. i. think i'm not too sure i'm not sure who's gonna carry those
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rocks for you michelle if you're gonna have a restart the plastic but uh maybe
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you can invite me back well thank you all for uh putting up with me
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um i'll be happy to answer any questions
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how right on time i think
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oh
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yeah i heard is a question so he says uh by had much um experience or a
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success with impacting grafting and i'm assuming you're meeting for room potentially revisions or potentially
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in somebody that has a press up a post traumatic where there's a bone loss in
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the mid pappas is those would be the two indications that i would see um
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in most cases of for me revisions have banned uh at
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the stage where there's too much bone loss for
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impassioned grafting and i typically would recommend and i know
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we all think it's taboo to consider cement fixation
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but certainly some of my longest term patience now that i've still been falling headband cemented and still
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doing well so i'm not as fearful of using some and uh for the approximate component
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uh and uh and i think if it's done uh it selectively
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uh even for the just the component can be effective
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never last i think crafting just early um can be very helpful and in that case
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if they're still retained if you will kappa tape you can use i prefer
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only to use autograph not telegraphed an impassioned grafting uh but um i've only done
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it a few cases approximately and that's where there's been minimal bone loss
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just one other question is are uh are you investigate 'cause i have a patient that has got
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some proximal component loosening with are still wise just the dust or you might have versus
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a fairly young um remote to wait i'm here and i'm out looked into seeing whether
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or not it was possible to get a a a custom employer with a longer
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stan made and it's not possible to do that in just curious why in new york
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and other upper extremity implants with the exception of the fingers you can get a
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longer stem option for a beige and how come up in the wrists none of the non it companies actually
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uh have that as a custom option see it would seem to me that the longer stem
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that are perhaps more a feel of that of that real baptists might be reasonable
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oh optional though it's not very common i guess probably reason at all
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yeah i i think you answered your own question there with the last sentence
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and that is um how common is that that we would need
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how how common it would be that we would need to sort of implant
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is what drives the companies to um agreed to make these various different
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implants custom implants is politically unites states uh become very difficult the f.
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d. a. is put severe restrictions on custom implants so um uh
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what we need is really a full system i totally agree with you with different options for
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longer stems as revisions uh are considered rather than
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conversion to a wrist um a fusion
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so the main reason you you answered your own question is that
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it's less common uh then what the um uh companies
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would like to see if you will so that they would um see some sort of profit but i think
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uh again as we all get more comfortable uh with um uh the
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implant systems that we use and uh i can see durable results
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uh then i think they'll be more uh interest in that i have to uh i do a lot
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b. r. c.s and then my question is does understand is it technically more demanding or is it
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results are worse after the proximal kept falling out that's a great
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question no i think if you can achieve um a proper
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uh i insertion of the a toll road starter blast the i
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think the results are equally good if not even better
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then some of the other ones i think four corner fusion is actually more difficult to convert
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uh and to get a good result 'cause they tend to have more scarring that
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a p. r. c. um i and so i i think as we um
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find our results and and pool results and can publish them on on p. r. c.s i think we're gonna find
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that they actually do quite well so so p. r. c. combined with its long like it last for long
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use well i said last yellow fifteen seventeen years say cases active people
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so if you received is also not bad we talked with the total joint replacements so so
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it can be like recommendation to ooh oh it is to the other ice oh um
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i'm not sure i totally understand up but i i'm a p. r. c.
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fan also so i'm with you i would not i would not change
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from doing my p. r. c. two as a pry i'm sorry to restart
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the plastic is a primary procedure instead of a p. r. c.
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i i misunderstood you i think what what i was trying to say is that what a p. r. c. fails
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we still have another option rather than just going straight away to a
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complete wrist fusion and and i think we can then go another
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hopefully ten years uh with um wrist motion rather than going what they they
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go together so it's not a conflict if you do your c. and
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correct so it's good it's got use yes i think that's good news they don't you think
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one of the most awesome usually that might happen around while people have their own

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