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you feel the synergies them in the common interest in in the past science uh
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and it's really fascinating for for us to see this and i would like to show you some example on what we're
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trying to achieve by using data science in oncology uh and and show you a you know a little bit of the uh
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do work that uh we we hope could help us guide
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treatment decision uh even the not so distant future and i thought
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hey with with it so but there were to call curve
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of survival in patients that for example have made aesthetic uh melanoma
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uh and we now have um behaviour of this type where we have a small fraction of the
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patient you see here about twenty person that or long survivors so these bar can be higher or lower
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but the very important aspect is that there is a bar so there is no plot or we can have this long term benefit
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with the minute therapy and of course the treatment that you deliver
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and only working twenty percent is far from ideal there is toxicity
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the other side effect and so on and so forth and you
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lose time if you don't have the correct assignment the correct nation
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to to drug and so the question is can we find via
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markers digital buyer markers that help us pinpoint those patients can we
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identified using data science the orange patient in this population and can we restrict the
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treatment duties and of course that's the ideal scenario because then we are able to provide
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a drug that will have maximal benefit in this uh population grant that we can uh
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identified those patients of course the question is what do we do for the rest well
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we can find buyer markers for the other uh and uh members
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of of the of the population and so on and so forth until
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we try to reach a you know as far as we can maybe eighty eighty ninety percent of the population so that's exactly the goal
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and to achieve these uh uh the important uh aspect is to to find those those maya marcus was predicted by
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the markers that will tell you which patient will respond to to what and so you know to really move this forward
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uh we have started to to do very deep finally takes of the chamber and the trimmer micro environment i mean
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this is a huge effort uh internationally trying to uh uh
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assets what are the key players in ten or said or
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a a composition a ex uh the level of activation of the set i mean we have had fantastic talks on this
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so just just just a minute ago and of course as we're talking here about huge data sets a data science is becoming
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not an option but an absolute need to uh to be able to make sense out of the data
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so there is the second revolution that i would like to
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just a mention here is the way we generate a uh um
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knowledge and and evidence for treatment so usually in uh when we have a
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heterogeneous patient population like the one i had depicted here was the various colours
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what we do is we try to minimise the
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variability of the population by putting intrusions an exclusion criteria
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and in that context uh we can run prospective randomised trials that are extremely efficient
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at determining whether an experimental treatment is better yes on the wood and the the reference
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and of course there we can bring back the information of the conclusion in that case that the experimental treatment is better to
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use well selected population so where's the cats well the catch is
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that we usually don't do that because once we have those conclusion
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we apply the results to the general population and that's a big issue in colour g. because if you do
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the math the number of patients are treated outside of
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the street inclusion exclusion criteria of the trial is huge
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and that means we we actually are losing a lot of information and
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just like wracked italian example uh and my my feeling on crutches melanoma
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and we had no it w. minute they're deeply marvin the volume up see chili
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for in in you when you mention it in all the trials the bring that
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that's that the patient or excluded it because like three or four years to start
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to see that oh yes there is activity in the brain to find a have
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prospective trials that show exactly exactly the same so there is the same response rate
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in the brain then in the rest of the body something we did not imagine
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at all at the beginning but those three four five years gap and uh you
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know he's really something we would like to avoid in the future so can we actually
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uh uh no speedup uh the momentum and also have access to a
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the largest the asset that by tapping directly into the real world data
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so that means we're no longer relying on on um the prospective trials
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that are not or what selected will control i mean high quality data
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but can we use it real well data which might be of lower quality because they they would not done
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per protocol however it's a much larger number so maybe we can use data science to filter out the station
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make cohorts that really makes sense for the question that that we are asking
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so that's exactly where we would like to go uh in the very near future
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so well the data types uh that we can uh it's force you to assemble for a precision
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oncology program uh we have a chemical data uh actually example how we can we can manage these
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which reported dot com are becoming a hot topic in in that uh feel that
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and of course uh all the gentle makes uh just the transcript to make so that
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we have seen in on the images that are becoming a integrated part of the data set
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uh that we are ignore happily as starting to mine too fantastic a collaboration on a
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lot of the the colleagues are here in in the room that would like to to really
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acknowledge these fantastic a collective work so not once we have this whole data set it's
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very difficult to bring that to decision because we need a large reference a data sets to
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be able to compare what is normal what is expected what is differing from from the
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norm and i'm getting is then to bring that to eight molecular to more which is the
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uh action arm of precision oncology program where we can make a decision and educated decision on
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how to treat the patient knowing all of the information that we have on the left so we're
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working towards that not all the components are getting place but that's
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something that we aim to achieve in in the in the coming years
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i think to really make this a virtuous cycle that we really need to close the loop and and
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to do that we have to bring the information of the patient that we treated uh with this knowledge
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into the the assets so if we can do that that we can
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really go to reinforce learning where we can when we are able to actually
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add information as we progress through the number of patients that
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we created this mechanism not show you as an example of that
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so just um uh as a quick a teaser we all know the the
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big groups of a machine learning unsupervised improvise or reinforcement learning uh you have all
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seen this but many time i'm sure yeah but there is the analogy in in oncology
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uh which which uh you know it's not a one to one mapping
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it but you can actually go to new technologies for the unsupervised prognosis for
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the supervisor you would then use the outcome as a way to to
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supervisor training and for treatment no reinforcement learning as i just mentioned could be
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a really the way to go because then you can learn from from each patient so there isn't i mean this is really a way to schematic
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but nevertheless i think they are really not the technologies in terms of
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machine learning to really be able to help in different aspects of personal coach
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so as we have mentioned uh data is really important the the size of the data and and the reference that
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and we have embarked uh five years ago into a national problem uh led by this
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use per slice has network and we we
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reply to core uh for for domain experts getting
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together and we propose this she's a purse my psychology uh and this program basically was
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the idea to put the data together in the entire country uh we we wanted to really
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be able to uh bring all the university hospital but we actually
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were even more ambitious we wanted to also have been known university hospital
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in oncology turns out that we had d. s. a. k. k. which is a very nice partner yeah because they are linked to all the
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non university hospitals and so we build a day passes them uh uh
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that is completely coherent between the university hospital and the non university hospitals
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for the university hospital we have a way to speak the same language uh at the data warehouse level
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and for the non university hospitals we have uh it's your f.
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b. is the web based forms uh that can be field even
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uh so that we actually encoded data the same way at the end
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of the day being able to recombine everything into a the same who'd
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and you you have seen that i have highlighted here the lemon cut because i think we can really do great things
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together from from the valet all the way to geneva i think there is a a nice critical mass if we can gather
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all these data together and they're really strong efforts to to do that so when we started that project this was really
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a a a heritage task because we did first the
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mapping of the infrastructure at the various hospitals re release
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that basically it's all different and there is just no way to reconcile the data at the at the lower level
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however we wanted to be able to use them uh for joint project so the question is how do you feel this gap on
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and the strategy that we had used was to a project the data of each hospital into
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they come on a vocabulary did asset and that's exactly what we have done so we have defined
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and in forty plus uh variables some of these are
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extremely complex of variables recurring and so on so it's
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actually quite a large status that we used to call it a minimal data set but it's no longer minimal that
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it s. that can be more or less automatically extracted
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from the data warehouse of of some hospitals but some
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are more advanced some require more work but we'll we'll get there we have not three more years of funding it
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and we believe that uh it within those three years we should be able to get close to automatic station
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e. most hospitals um we also have ways to cry
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every uh more advanced data uh directly from essentially but
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that's or less less important so that i can be a structured field uh uh i see you three cold
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response to that treatment is on or how do you call the treatment the same way everywhere in the country
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that can be also text data and here is an exercise that we have done on
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the radiology reports that we had gathered from the various
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hospitals and and we have trained uh and a and an
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l. p. natural language processing to to uh i signed
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the patient to two categories all three to respond or non
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respond or or so on and so forth progress or whatever so we we have tried many things and to cut
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a long story short uh this very rudimentary n. l. p. it's it's less rudimentary now we we we have improved
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but they're just out of the box we we get the eighty ninety percent accuracy and it compares you know
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it's basically the same as what the the viability we get when we take several commissions reading the report so
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basically means that this is extremely useful because then we can assign all good patient is progressing uh at
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this time because we we have the the report that says that so why are we interested in today's well
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uh first uh applications so that's just actually the clinical data uh what you see here on
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the left is the prospective trial run by b. m. as near mess on on on the walk
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it's a w. not directly on the top a single agent
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p. d. one blue curve and then single agent at u. p.
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maps actually from the bottom and you have over us rubber on the top and progression free survival in the bottom so that's
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basically what we used to guide our treatment issues decision in in the the minimum
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much more bobby we always referring to these two to make decision so the question is
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now if we take the data of the country or a hospital what
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do we see and you can see that uh although we have small numbers
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we do see fairly senior id hate your boss in
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terms of overall survival as well as in terms of
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a a progression free survival insight that's where where we needed d. n. l. p.
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to call it the patient a a progress are based on the radiology report that allowed
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us to to create the curve on on on on the lower court so this is
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very interesting because if we now realise that or davis it internally or a reproducing known
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a fax from from the the the literature possible i mean this this uh you know is is
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of course pretty reassuring but it's also way to ask him any additional
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questions for example you could create trials that will never exist uh so you
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could imagine really taking it uh you know comparison that are on the
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tickle to do or that are more suited for a specific uh uh situation
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and you can imagine that with these chicken stock uh you know putting the a lot a.
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i. system on top of it and start learning uh uh where there is opportunity for for
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a improvement for the patient that's so that's the gringo that's where we go in it so
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it's a lot of work to get there but i think it's it's a really great opportunity so
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in particular what have we learned from that exercise so we we went
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back to his data and since the data is reproducing and know when
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um again outcome for the patient we looked at additional metrics
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that could be infringing this in one of the metric was the
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uh uh um medication that the patient is taking at the baseline when we start the
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uh i'm a therapy and you can see that uh here
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we have the stratification for guys that's proton pump innovators it's
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uh what you take when you had a i see a stock market in aid kit and actually it turns out that if
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you do take your lines you are doing much worse than if you don't uh so do of course it's always the case
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when when he does this results from that assigns we scratch our hands and then after five seconds to say oh of course
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the the p. p. eyes are changing the th of you've got a and we know that the got floor
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of these strongly associated with the chance of responding or not yes or no to the to the inner therapy
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so uh this was a a hint i mean this is not validated yet up
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but it's it's interesting hints because you know it's coming from the data it's hypothesis generating and that's something that you
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know could change packed is if we can show that was probably not a good idea to start a new carpet
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on a point of pop any beecher so interesting i was telling about the this dichotomy between real well they don
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and and prospective trial so with this really well they that we went back to be a mess with the the
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the trials and we asked them to mind their own data set to see whether uh we can find these uh
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a pattern yes and also not in the prospective trials from the m. s. you see here check mail sixty nine
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you can see that they realise here it's recognition so the same direction so if
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you use the t. i. uh you actually have a progression free survival that appears to
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be lower than if you're not so the story is not settle the it's not
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the final word because we don't see that in other trials like checkmate of sixty seven
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our impression that uh is that um i there is the decomposition of the patient uh
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plays a very big role uh so we we really need not to to dissect that and
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so i mean with the the evidence that we have all it's it's it's to me
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to recommend not to take p. p. eyes when you doing notoriety but even as i think
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this this is a nice illustration on how we can use real data to ten challenge
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perspective and then to perhaps go to a change uh of get just at the data level
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so now they're of course uh a great opportunities using a additional data sets and one of them is
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is uh uh images uh and i would like you did you just to show you an example of a
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work we have started to do in the field of digital
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pathology and just about allergies are interesting feel because it's uh
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and image analysis apply to the court of of the trimmer i mean
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we have seen great example angry talks uh just just a minute ago
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we have a you know nice a collaboration with the pathologies low on the light
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in a lot on uh and uh plus a whole job hunting geneva ingenue that entire
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the uh department is digital eyes that so it means we
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we uh we have access to july slide i think this scanning
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like seventeen thousand a sly and uh every week so it's
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it's a huge data set that is being generated the question is
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what how can we explain that so what you have here on the left is um a a any chain it's the standard
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uh colouring and uh which uh was then used to to get
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infinity picture characterisation of the cells and then we can use it
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uh in a network uh abstraction and and we had docking at that time who uh who is here uh with whom we have a
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fantastic collaboration today that was barking pascal pasta and and michelle quite
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there who is also in the which been uh you know very uh
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a proactive in this problem so that's ongoing but it's it's a very
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interesting collaboration uh uh between the clinicians and and then e. p. f. l.
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on on this from that and and really a great problem that we're pushing
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together electrician example really uh on on how this uh has been used for
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a digital pathology with the the work of a into general chit uh who is really
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in a world expertise in analysing a chaney uh slides and he came up with a
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it uh a deeper learning a way to correct
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a rise the lymphocytes into a uh in a t.
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shirt and you can see perhaps uh that the belief that are highlighted here with the the the little
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blue uh a shallow and that's that's where the
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the uh the planning algorithm has identified leave aside
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and then we can apply matrix of uh the leave aside distribution
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uh are they really in future team uh they are you close to
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together do we have clustered big cluster small cluster so so we're
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analysing tons of parameters but i just to show you an example because
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i think it's it's quite a telling a it's a it's a
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cohort of melanoma that we are analysing here a hundred and twenty melanoma
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and on the left you see the density of three percent which
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doesn't seem to be struck to find the patient with respect or survival
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not if we start to look at the structure of that infiltrate
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and and the measure which is the future hundred and seventy eight
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uh that feature is the measure of on heightened feature achieve
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uh these leave aside arc that seems to be correlated that
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without come so that shows that probably these huge the assets of digital but energy that we have in our hard drive
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could really bring a lot of information on how to guide directly for for the patients so that's exactly what we're
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trying to push again collectively with with all the the menu card in the on because now they are really nice initiatives
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to further rate additional pathology within the whole country uh and that's led by the talkers laugh from from zurich it
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and and that could really beaches formatted because if we have now ways to share data
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at the national level uh i think this would be really uh uh anyway fantastic uh aborted
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now i like to to switch to a radio makes uh in here uh really show great
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work from the danielle have blair who is also a in the room together with with initial concept
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uh then has really a pioneer this uh together with
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the office of the person who is here in integrate collaboration
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was also john prior uh the idea of of trying
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to um use more of the information um of the uh
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fine structure of the uh pet c. t. or um
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um c. t. scans in order to be able to uh
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a guy precision ecology so the id first is to select the regions of the tomb or uh do doing these
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considering the the segmentation and then once we have these small volumes of trimmer how can we use
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uh the last science to extract information and that's the whole field of afraid i'm mixing killer
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uh i had a percentage is is really leader the world one in in this heat so
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we we um you know how these these great collaboration together with with with that gene now
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you can extract a lot of features and then try to associate those features a two and
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he yelled come and that's exactly the work that the uh then yell and colleagues have have taken
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up with meeting shall and and i'd hear that trying to look at some of those properties
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this is ongoing work uh not published a so you d. need validation which is on going to
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with zurich where they had similar data set up and how would
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we we are you finding one of the feature that appears to be
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uh oh again associated uh with benefit you see here that if
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you have a feature low or high uh your faith again on
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p. d. one switch the predictive by the marker appears to be
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very different so you can see this is very short example that's using
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digital pathology core review makes we could build a a predicted by
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the marker can be the it's four p. d. one if you
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could see the melanoma so again i mean and let us know saying that any of this is really for the king but it just
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it shows that probably the release information there that can be mine in that will in the future most likely
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uh uh integrate be integrated into more what's in order
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to really guide a precision treatment assignment for the patients
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so how do you do that and that you have all those great buyer markers and
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and and you wanna treat patients in for the last but i would like to show you
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example on how we were doing that yeah so we have created a molecular to more bored than a
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donkey between geneva and was on the uh and that's
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two more bob basically uh comes from the commission so
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that clinicians has to identify a and a patient
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that is suitable when usually those special operation that had
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failed to the standard of care we don't want to be you know the doing this this and advance the
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uh technologies corporation where there is the standard of care treatment but once that's
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uh as fail of course there is opportunity to use all this information and basically we we
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get the material and then assemble it a fantastic keen on both can sting even less on
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where uh we can have the last ninety is the but oh jeez molecular pathology is biology since one and so forth
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think about the problem started to use more and more data science in
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the mix and then bring back any information to the to the treating
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doctor is very interesting because i'm part of the stream of all but sometimes i'm also the treating doctor and then i received the results and
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is very interesting to see how these going back to your decisions it's
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it's quite a a in in training and and no change of of mine
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so we started that into doesn't seventeen missus mean if it
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incredible success um we we were thinking to get probably of four
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of the if not the force of the volumes that that we we got that so that's network as being open of course
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to uh that both used to hospital but also to the rest of the of the um come to one and all the
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french speaking park and you can see that we have no more than two thousand five hundred patient we're reaching out to three thousand
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and it's a big number because uh we get about four hundred cases per your
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and by comparison to him badly as he is about two hundred fifty cases so
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i think it's a it's a very decent volume and it does show that if
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yes we bring everyone together in in this region uh we can have the numbers that that
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uh no means something in terms of that data sense because he would we're treating every battle ready
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a little bias from milan but uh other than that i think it's it's her present and
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and the to just show you that this is not only you know uh you know powerpoint a
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science but there is a patient being treated that i'm an example here of a young patient despite business
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ambition had a a in an advanced or coma which uh it was not responding to chemotherapy so he
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was under a intense chemotherapy progressing very fast probably
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had no fume ones uh in front of him only
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uh and then the top button as who actually is not the university hospital he he's
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a private practitioner in in those on uh it was sent us the the tissue and
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uh of course with all the consent on the on the the right way uh we
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did the analysis and we know that this are common does not respond to the minute there
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uh but when we did the analysis we we found an amplification of a c. d. to seventy four
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and see the two seventy four is actually p. d. l. one which is a gene that uh expressed
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only to herself will basically block t. cells from doing
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their killing activity as we have discussed in the previous talks
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is very interesting because um that's a trimmer that usually is not seen by the immune system
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here needed this escape mechanism to grow and so this is interesting because it it
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the goes back to the idea of the reference if we didn't have the reference that
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says it's not usual uh to have p. d. l. one implication is this to
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her we probably we would have nots but to this as a as a therapeutic opportunity
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but since we had this we were able to say well maybe that trimmer which in general is not you know jenny
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this specific one is and that's why we we know decided
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to treat a patient with it p. d. one blocking antibody
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and you can see the vision when in in your complete remission uh i think that lasted the at
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least in complete remission i will have to to talk with yeah bonus to know the the latest news
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but this patient was progressing very fast to has been has had a
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complete change of trajectory at things to this intervention so it really shows that
00:25:32
using a you know large approaches uh all makes and
00:25:36
and very soon data science probably will change the fate
00:25:39
of of many patients so how can we push these further sought to finish about like to just show you the
00:25:46
a person action quality second round so now we we have a really applied for speech and and and uh
00:25:52
we we've found that for a a new project which will continue the data acquisition of course in in consolidate this
00:25:58
but at the same time the move to prospective treatment of patients using multi all makes
00:26:04
prior to the molecular to more so what you see here that's the first panel we
00:26:08
do exactly what i showed you with this temptation which is to n. g. s. m.
00:26:11
uh and then we we make a a treatment the location for the
00:26:14
patient but in parallel those that's gonna be three hundred patient just as
00:26:18
a control not random eyes it's just a a different court and then
00:26:22
we'll get fresh tissue material from this patient and first we'll have the rapid
00:26:28
uh evaluation we started it'll make so that's uh all mixed with no on else uh where
00:26:33
we know more less the action ability and and we know exactly what to to look for
00:26:38
and that will ball back in clinical time uh to do molecular to mobile so
00:26:43
that's a huge challenge we're we're implementing this in the whole country at the same time
00:26:48
to be able to make sure that we get these um all to mix analytic
00:26:52
something done in real time so that we can make the decision to three four weeks
00:26:56
later at the molecular tomorrow so this is taking shape as as we speak we hope
00:27:00
to have the first patient even in about one two months and and then we had
00:27:05
a more extended will make some and where we will go for full blown thing
00:27:10
it's already sick guessing is a t. c. r. herbal korean is and special transcript that
00:27:14
makes uh that that uh will be really very important for the future and then we'll
00:27:18
assemble all these data for our research project which is really geared at trying to understand
00:27:24
why certain to more do respond to minute darby and others not uh in intertwining tour a
00:27:29
trimmer type compare isn't it or something with this other uh finish up and really try to
00:27:36
re emphasise that uh i think we we have been able through a combination unit
00:27:41
are happy to really bring the bar and i think there is really no longer paternity
00:27:45
of course to introduce new treatment which of course we we all do research on but
00:27:49
also to better select patient for therapy i think if we are able to do these
00:27:54
there is a chance that we can significantly um um raise the bar because we lose a lot
00:27:59
of patients when they are not assigned to the correct line because they will get more rapid course
00:28:03
of disease apprentices is and then we were not able to to salvage them anymore so i think
00:28:07
if we are able to to do this and with the use of of a i ended a science
00:28:12
i think we'll we'll move the field for junkie together and there are many people at the hospitals

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