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Model subjectivity at the heart of consciousness to make robots more human
David Rudrauf, Associate professor at the University of Geneva, Director of the laboratory of the multimodal modeling of Emotion and Feeling
Saturday, Sept. 11, 2021 · 6 p.m. · 21m 19s
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a tense in more than thirty years of the subjective perfect you say
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idea would be to make about more human
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parts involving probably yeah i like school happens the
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supply simon supply side and you don't need your uh that can ask application
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and now we're uh not just proposed to be of the whole that's that with
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designed to make you human being uh not necessary to do in
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human to ask ah and leveraging on tax law in france angie
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in my bet is that it's not unlikely that you succeed so
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sort of that uh too expected that you know sooner than later
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uh the well and was deep says you don't change make it looking like some direction
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would be in the longer term than you think well is i can seem of foundation science fiction
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bunch of so full of a vertical virtual platform marketed as compact
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t. a.'s he said we know you know a working of the bottom the topic for the confidentially
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the truth of the matter is that those so
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called empathetic for but essentially leveraged human tendency for
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on trouble fees and we actually did you know life to
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empty shells and the result is often if not general uncanny
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and uh it's not mine's i switch between different strains remote so that's the the supplies and
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so we find that file which is nice because now because
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might come along blessings like preferred preferred stock price so then
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the question is how can we make for some human well it's not a matter how documents of many
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ah it needn't somewhat desolation you abuse but it's the
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most complicated ones that they needed mine like ours can be
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of course if they were be functioning internally as we do somehow
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uh but we hate him enlightened passions less important interfaith ability
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to bonding that's really important not trust and acceptance in the machine
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but if we push that i have false huh that's what it was
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like to be to model human consciousness that's not an easy task force
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working with ah should we trying to use you painted agents
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machines effect rule supposedly super intelligent we sat next thing wage
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capable of solving complex test well i think that yes and it's actually two different
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problems yeah related down many countries people that on that should be asked not around
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inconsistent with a thirty five year in fall of illusion that's a beautiful things like
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relations like the munitions that we see much bigger and went to the to the either
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well somehow so before the jar harms
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others that uniform will do meaning meaning and
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as a matter of fact ask you want a a i a systems only me nick unconscious
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processing in the brain in a very crude very basically i'm acted in the hosting untouched initially
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yeah they're very very five hundred and and so on
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so my my my approach to exactly to you know start from the beginning when we need to make babies for us
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you know why they don't even spiegel walk yet in
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their intelligence is mostly potential dry lawson hole for inter
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subjectivity into such a book really to you like the
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difference child of cheating star should not get that first
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why wait reports to the problem two sets the stage and if you sense of what do seeing
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sorry somebody would be the technical but they could intuitive stuff from the general a more active in france
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that's my collaborate over consistent as they brought the concept is rather simple is not simply a
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way of saying and actively formalising but that that
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we'll probably end up with the them somewhere where
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the relation about shield consequence you'll see that we act and
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of course that we are confronted innovative check like you know
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sense of unity don't it that often so we are mistaken
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gaze dictionary or nothing because i think if we entertain which is
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it and that quantify basically the divergence between expectations and something
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confrontations essentially that's in that can lead to feedback and that the machines the system
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oh that's gonna have to choice we can just update will be and sometimes oh
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or we can just don't know why i wasn't in so systems like that they made him that fit
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that's like that's a so anybody that's consciousness is actually
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something that participating is at the centre of active in france
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whatever you say about consciousness wasn't good but you know ah
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it's like a global workspace that's integrated human down the
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information hormones since he's a money don't overproduction and then see
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a system that would be conscious according to some should
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into integrated income and well what their imagination capacities attention capacities
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planning in motion as an evaluation of land we're about enforcement learning
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also have with me or it's your point dependent in probably that way we can
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to foster aesthetically speaking ability we can think all those expecting evil on from different places
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that led to the modern interior minorities making inference about them on those things of all that
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but the more fundamental question that pertains to you know experiences
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how can we understand them um something right and what is the phenomenon if you were right
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one aspect of it which is really abuse instead of that
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week that everything within a screed dimensional subjective space in perspective
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but just about visions that computer vision determined what is pleasing aspect or sensing informing
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and so how that's a bit perspective can play all a new man saigon it takes that's one of the question
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when things that will you live together as we discuss that is that consciousness of some aspect of it hasn't humid
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and it's not not yet you know please leave i mentioned that to you
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is it humid here of respect even in the three d. uh that you will know well
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in the two d. v. action i'll bet it i mean but here we are talking about is hidden in a nice
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anyways project difficult to me to come to the
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call of transformation mathematical concept that actually lose perspective change
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and if you wanna get to know yeah i'll when it's dimensional project space
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give us the work of a lesson while i might i might pay yeah
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nice that's sort of what we now have a yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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like journey actually uh yeah it's like that in this quickly so that they are really that consciousness thank you
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that but usually we don't see it you know we see them from the
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right point of view on this basis we can define concept start defining the concept
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that we can put the field of countries yes that we operate transformation of information
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perspective like to even while formation is
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a four dimensional uh operating full dimensional space
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what does that mean with that didn't just say you know wait a minute for like mention a space
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but it's actually a perfectly computer goes right in here you can see the sort of effect when you
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why yeah movies uh the bahama go because what i mentioned that
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happened in the simple one whether you have any somewhat psychedelic experience
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uh the well response file anything like properties that are pippin this you must feel when pollution
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and it's also have properties like right in i. c. facilities so that if you look at something
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yes actually talked about this and she wanted me and you look at something
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or some some somebody it will automatically and missus lane here that back self
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that is sort of something would be important for understanding the basis of self consciousness
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well but that's why most of the time people act in a much more constrained manner
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you know so that we can act on the web and yes you
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object an adaptive man when you're playing or principles to guess what do
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my latin is my collaborator you can for instance understand a variety of
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passive tradition in like the moon illusion in separated it is if you can
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might want to make quantitative predictions that you can compare with
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different experiment to demonstrate their predictive power of the p. o.
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but that's all fine e. in we knew his
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opinion on your knee a sky well five understand whole
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we're berating seven demo appraise on file and try one of the things we know with the psycho physics
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somewhere with five intensity of emotion you will feel tends to be it's
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not that simple that before the lower than invest distance to the students
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so basically this to missus palmer no one's lesson move mountains also
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like today under some constraint of embodiment is germany on tape but no
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so how many thoughts thinking about the scene for more than forty
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rile you cannot buy into function on the ethic to sign on
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so something bigger because part is closer to knowing
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bands might affect people separate c. depending on it but
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but uh also and it just a regular which is very essential actually
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uh when you come by being actually in projective geometry what you get
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is that the fire ah and and or infinity associated with more sensibly uncertainty
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windows machine it won't use uncertainty in there but we were in fact
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the one infinity you have accidents can secure use it is i think
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and it shows in an interesting thing about it is that
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but it doesn't need to work with that when sings come
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faster closer to you according to this process that meaning related energy
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and when it comes so which is actually a consistent wheeze
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the way we experience the far yet in proceed you know like
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cheese when the seasons and begin wanted to get close very fast
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and that's exactly something that is sort of to really to see stands at that
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time that i see that one since that get us and that's very curious about that
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yeah we also naturally generalised to simulation or so months
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no this is that instead of using their own model of internet preference
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will apply and unfair things on their behaviour and emotion expression
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models of fifty ones that i know that and use them to simulate the mind
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was and i think i'm gonna say well okay interesting this is all day or
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but i'm gonna show you any proof of come they could even any proof of concept actually whoa that's something i think
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what you know they actually forgot because i'm not not in my lap to do that ah and yeah it's an example
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we consider a few of them
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oh that's that's the agent one issue
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mm uh
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and i made a a a while or a source of c. e. season but ah
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e. e. so now i get it
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and as a result into you know state of joint attention behaviour
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so it's very important to development objective function yeah
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your because for instance in the gym spectrum disorder
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this is something that he is how does not the plot very well insistence that respected interest
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so let's consider another example here that he shouldn't
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negative bias so i you know hua light agent
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you so it's still even while but see that agent it doesn't like it but it's not okay
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we ought to minimise its own financially because it takes into account the simulations that it makes a user agents mine
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unanticipated user agents actor you would only three energy increased
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you too close to the regions as a result it tends to to to use trajectories that i'm more into it
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it's is avoided a bit like as if it was socially and shoes
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let's look at the last example huh
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this time i really we can both night but well we live so
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that they can only act upon that for your beliefs about the location
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one doesn't know so you know it based
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on the algorithm but we basically you good
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he's with me but doesn't want to go the only way for it to kind of
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not increases funding in f. b. i. e. is to move away three run
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by it's good because it or if ah but not with digits with you
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in a judge okay let's see let's institution but agent when what we missed it
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regularly that you know as a bit on the location of the people choose
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well uh you know that agent you don't like to go mistakenly
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while one q. which faced the way for it and so it can now reminded me
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not getting closer to that you prefer what that is is you know it's taking advantage of
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what i understand of wizards full speed if which is very important in charge of it not
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so when you asked illegal psychologist in training using it s. that we're
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developing real couldn't asimov test inspired from clean you can and developmental psychology
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right the agents that the seven that it it was what happened is that ages in which we enable
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these protective mechanism yeah rated as you know looking
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as if they be i've gaining more like human beings
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innocent looking more polite than agents that have much more limited mechanism of
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projection based on the combination of that geometry that global transformation mission process
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so
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you know if we continues going that way the gold he's even though
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we are very far hunting in texas that a lot of difficulties in china
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that will be able to create about the chip illusions is human
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that problem by projective times a bit like us
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ah but that actually use for nominating committees that are
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capable of human like on pets in in anyway on for size the light it's not human rights but
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it is go around based on what we believe actually governed human on but to to some extent
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so i've always out interact with them even more
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natural ah into who you go to understand them in
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perhaps also to understand the can understand us think ah
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lawson mistakes we make because that'll be on humanity of
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what we share and how we connect is by precisely understanding was a mistake in when we laugh about it
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then the on where to have patience isn't there you what is
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um spectrum uh uh does although by minimal shooting fun interactions fostering
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joint attention behavioural but also was well for you
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elderly population often use related something with my cognitive impairment
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by giving them also this sort of social objectives stimulation
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that we know we still important still recognition in resilience
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a lot of applications so where you only thought of crude proof of concept market
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so i think i was in the end if yeah i would claim
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doesn't it is scientific and technological horses as an introspective us
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it's not nice to but you really need to die down
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deep into your mind if you want more than in in that's not an easy task you cannot learn that in school
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of course is where will they be very active interest
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nike psychology isn't genus mathematicians in that an insistent that
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we need great mathematicians i'm lucky to collaborate with some of them but that doesn't mean of course
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they're facing this kind of project the model in a while but for the real world is nontrivial task
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but we can liberate and some of the really amazing technology that that in the plot
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into complied and finish developing the principles in that picture
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it's also important to extend them uh with language intelligence in
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spatial skills is fertile down the whole you have some idea of
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what this idea about how to do that but that's another story so that will be able to get folks thank you much
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thank you very much maybe it was a very interesting very curious are so big
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seems so very unlikely to model his they
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use these emotions ought to have behaviour like a
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motion so it's aren't you very much for
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