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ask a few members uh to to join the pen no uh i think uh yeah mario jason

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ah the idea that

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he reverts will be on it

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ross well you ross i haven't seen yeah

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oh just

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the fun

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ask uh yeah

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yeah

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can let the people mess with him 'cause nobody really cool uh buttons

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yeah but

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yeah

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we could um so well we we get a window is a

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little bit here um as we mentioned we we wanted to

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to continue the discussion and um maybe what we can do uh as we get a little bit organise with what

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i wanna put up here um since we didn't have the

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discussion after the last session on training injury prevent

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load maybe there's any question you williams why don't we do that just produces couple of minutes

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so um i had um the question fall put wavered

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um you you you you programs the um did you use a

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now for the program to warm up program mine though

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okay and the 'cause we'd seen and and that's also from are you because the eleven th program

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ah are feel base with videos the true exercises so can you to maybe comment a little bit on what

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uh not based program can bring then was the difference with the

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program that's based on the field of playing with my well

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before my on system for eleven plus what what we found we

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used to do this on on on paper programs so i'll

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i remembered two thousand four when i did my own p. h. d.

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we even had v. h. s. uh access would be exercise program

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no one be the exercises right because you watch that at home but

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you need to have the exercising your pocket money on the page

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so we decided to make clear examples on the paper she remembered plastic plastic around it

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so you can drop a new sports bags we have it handy all times

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but this time progresses everybody next to the beach nowadays stands within fall

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a special grassroots level easy d.'s divider still need to be a reachable by mao

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so they have the phones in the pockets while the stand next to the beach and guide guide the

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uh uh the kids and it's really easy to open yeah yeah have the exercises all there

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um and and you just have them handy andy guide you through it um and it it really helps and i

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think it increased compliance an adherence to uh to the exercises

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i don't know how how minor feels about that

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yeah so actually the um for the studies the they

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use the menu also written manuals figure send a

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a couple of us more posters and they had a lot of a similar than in other

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studies send a implementations also we'd eat on on coaching still doing

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a lot of workshops actually so work on the field then

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these videos or when the presentation does is more an initiative that came later

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from um um soccer association of new zealand incorporation

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realise there are nationally an insurance company

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and they have developed a web sites and the other um

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social me just application and so force sold to facilitate that to spend all does that come from

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well

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more cool oh less creepy to to go because i need to go over there are lines um

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what we see no in the last two days is that uh there

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is some information about sports but it's definitely a law of

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multi disciplinary interdisciplinary work to actually perform preface a little bit better

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and we've seen knowledge coming from from the from expertise

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what do you think is the biggest barrier at the moment for the implementation of the knowledge we currently have

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um but anybody can stuff we can go in order from there or anybody wants to

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stuff last uh let's say let's start with you what he thinks about it

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what was the question is will we have knowledge it's it's sitting somewhere

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is generated somewhere but things don't seem to change so will

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why why things are not change what we need to do to my uh i

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think the um i think one of the biggest problems is that the

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the theoretical knowledge that is delivered encrypted only academic in the spectrum

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often doesn't meet in saint as of the end user

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and so we we can come up with solutions to it

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we we can come up with solutions all we want some recommend see what best factors would be

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but if the if the person is ultimately task was delivering mass and so for instance

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that's the crux of a high school team at the age of fourteen years organisers

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if his responsibility is to when max's and to do well right then

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and if he's given no other reason for his it is given out that this and why wouldn't this

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and so i think i think systems if you're gonna design a system you have to change the incentive

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balance in such a way that you actually drive the idea back reading some future best incense

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so it's it's me that's the main one and then the second the second issue

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is is a policy issue an four years ago i think it was

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right before cool union in in england had or or to dress a personality to this yesterday

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where they brought together a bunch of experts from around the world in different fields on new sports and talent

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and then they wanted to come up with a consensus documents and how to manage tennis and

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what they ended up doing is a consequence of that meeting is entirely restructured how they select

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the best implies that they princes the main changes that that belied the selection until sixteen

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and the reason no able to do that is because they had policy buy

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in from across the board that they recognise to all the stakeholders where

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uh and that meant tribesmen schools it meant players i mean parents and they managed to get a process in place

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that's but to always check all the sometimes the internet that isn't done enough so that

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i think the biggest kinds would be made by about working on who are the stakeholders that you need to

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work with him disgusted bothersome as to the committee because i know you want to do this regularly

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'cause you have a state cause it's the department of education is your apartments and houses

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sort apartments of sports i don't how politically switzerland distracted psychologist from presuming too much

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and and then work with them and what policy needs to be greater than actually make good policy

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because if you just leave it for people to do what is prudent for

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them when you get the system where everyone pulls in opposite directions

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in in order to get people in the same direction you have to get every single person calling the same right in the same direction

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it was very good any common from uh from jason and and what is well with it

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well it's not also go oh well okay honestly i would

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challenge that this is a big right or okay good

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ah reason i challenge at its right from the get go the

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state that we will give you our best cracks is

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infers form of arrogance i know what's best for you why wouldn't you involving and user right

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off the bat in every single thing you design but but i didn't say you should

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yeah but to the that's key that's how do you really

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should working with people from but different display different specialities

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you you respect them you are you can pathetically understand

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what they need and then you design around it

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yeah of course but i mean that's that's that's what it has to be dialogue

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so that's why you have to start quickness with the stakeholders are and if you don't recognise

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with and i end user is then then how can you you then it's a monologue

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so i'm actually advocating for dialogue some not say what you're challenging well you don't know who the end users

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is the end user the people that use your information the information you create it

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so those are the people you include when you're designing programs yeah exactly

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that's why like i suspect there are a few him had parents you had crutches

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you had tried to attack formants managers and you had academics and medical doctors

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or working together to clear consensus that it's it was it was driven so that in that sense it's not

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people talk about top down and bottom up that's not driven in any direction is driven by a collection of people

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ultimately can speak to exactly what's what's required but the question is how

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those people use the information war how do they use it

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that's that's the question it's information but how is it used

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how i i don't understand exactly what you're asking us um okay

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no i have to explain all yours

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uh i think i understand what corning saying

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i understand definitely also what processing um

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this is something where gordon and i agree i would say is what we're

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trying to do with all the knowledge we have we try to

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to take that knowledge we created in a controlled environment based on our

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assumptions of a problem one on one into a different context

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and these athletes they participate not in a laboratory and then we

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expect them to do exactly what we did in the

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laboratory and then we expect the same fifty percent reduction in injuries because they need to do what we cooked up

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and i have so many times at conferences like this that i've been challenged and uh people say we have all

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these beautiful programs but no one's using well if no one's using um these programs are not so beautiful

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yes in a controlled environment table reducing injuries but that's completely different context in which they need to be used so

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the implementation from we have right now is we have control type uh

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evidence and i think this is where where where you were going

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and then we try to implement that can change behaviour of of the users

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but why don't we take to use is already up front in

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developing programs we we describe the problem we describe etiology

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in context and then develop programs around that in context and then evaluate those

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in context and this is where we're going wrong because we have this beautiful paper

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it shows fifty percent reductions and now the user is stupid to not use that that's that's how we approach it

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and and that's why we have a lot of lot of again to get outside you know

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yeah i mean you don't have to you don't have to convince me of importance of end user and of the um

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and of the fact that academics regularly ever values itself as the provide information

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i absolutely agree with it but if if i may yet we we

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we doing a p. h. d. is a p. h. d. now she's doing completely qualitative study i mean jeez endangered

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and so instead of us telling them this is an injury we asked him how do you define an injury

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and if you look really simply add overuse injuries and you are asking and please how do you think an

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overuse injuries cost from by medical perspective you would say you load is too high reduce your load

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but with galen space i'm not strong enough so then i come in

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with a preventive message saying you need to do less well

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they think they need to do more to get stronger to withstand

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the forces they out to the loads they are uh enforced

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so even though you're trying to do the same thing trying to put that balance your message

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needs to be different to get your sexual looking for and there's a disconnect between

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the objective by medical view and the view of context and

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that's what we need to get it if i'm yeah yeah yeah but i think that

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follows up on what you presented before with the kids it's cool when you say

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oh you had this idea of a program that gets than fitter the

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what the the school once that's who wanted that to be more

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cognitive you academically able and so it's about understanding what it is that they

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want they feel they want and then uh trying to address that

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the value with i just want to so and i will comment on that

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one of a lot of my research that i do is out in nam have k. c.

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now in the u. k. and there is a lot to uh be set

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that that the complex intention develop mainframe what actually does exist and

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i think you know the the you can see that the successful interventions at last that

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get implemented and about how they get implemented is by engaging the the end user

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add and back needs to be done right at the beginning if it's cultures it's an athlete

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all of these people need to be involved in that process to to design it

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intention it is absolutely critical advice we have really ah wasting our time

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quick comment and when we talk about the end user maybe this is one thing that

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we should try to aim for today is i mean who is the end user

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um easy yeah i think two dozen shouldn't be injured with the

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coaches is it your organisations all different measures of possible

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but and and like courses you come in and

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i think we we not only need a button not french but also the top down

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and and the problem at the moment is it's poly sci so think

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them many guidelines on how to remove fits connectivity sports and

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and and that but they're still very nice knowing

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how to in demented that intonational international level

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and at the moment we're revising the gloom and double action

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plan on physical activity for the well has something fishy

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and and again i think we have to make sure that all these policies did with

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not staying on the paper but freely get implemented in if we talk about

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cool and and and what should be implemented it's cool i think the the time she to

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really discuss it and and and to increase the

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pressure on on government and international convention

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and um yeah i i heard in dallas at the level of this conference interested

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in that last here whole long does it

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take to implement songs into tractors

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at seventeen years

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so it's the next generation and i like the comment about the

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end user and you know who built the most home

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but the big this electrical call

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didn't come from the car industry was someone who build a cop around

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tall so we have to ask the end you the user

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um what do we have to change the same thing with the schools they want to to to improve

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the yeah home grades but not spoiled and i think that's that's the challenge for the next year's

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well the the research that says that we need seventeen used to to implement uh from

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research subtracted it took seventeen years for us to rely that that research said that

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okay and the other we know that we have all the the feel

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that with things a little bit accelerating and we have ways of

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first communicating intimate informing and then maybe implementing a bit differently

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and and it's all about how was that research actually implemented in order

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to reach parties and there's you ways and i think we're done

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pointed to the notion of human centre design and i think we we we should go back to that uh definitely

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but this is not a knock on a medicine science because

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the the approach to medicine science evidence is is turned reduction is and we take things apart

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to understand the individual components that come together to provide a solution

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and those are the great advances that have been made in infectious diseases and so for that there is another

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parks and that is where are really complex problems

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are are not saul by the reductionist approach

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so if you look at a time when surgery was ah

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no aesthetic and no other products for all the infections

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and they both came out at roughly the same time and the aesthetics to call within about four five years

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he did the screening patients particular thirty or forty years to get any product

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because if the patient diaper started we didn't really affect the surgery

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so that's that's an example of an area where science doesn't have any impact because we knew baccarat

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like x. it four years ago but it's not widely used because us or just didn't

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that that's a human centre design issues so bottom del taco however you look

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at it i think evidence is one sort of bell shaped curve

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and there's another bell shaped curve some kind of human

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factors that go into whether this is really effective

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where those two curves overlap is the ideal sweet spot to create solutions that work for people

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yeah um i don't know clark from basis ah but the federation or um

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i'd like to chew it 'cause position of being both directly coach so i'm one of

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the end users but i'm also um a policy maker for a user okay

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and for me it's about education and educating the coaches

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i'm i'm getting the message the coaches to be able to

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really into the case and uh implement the um

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the policies that we're trying to get through um i don't know what you think of of of that

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um you know well like coming on that's a that's a really

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ah practical uh perspective you you've given the ovens an excellent one nothing

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part of the the the challenge with sports on national federations ease

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that i uh one i will to value the importance of education

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communication an alignment not don't know that we have enough um that sign of stick with the carrot

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in terms of that becomes a performance modulator but see that as something for we'll

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pass quite good quality information it you cash the second part today is that

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maybe also for the for the sport is these now enough

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keep people like himself who i want to reach that

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uh information from the sciences uh to the practitioner huh

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and again it's often one of many other things that you would

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do it to have someone within its full dedicated to

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ah one ideas with the possible coordinating the education is actually

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a lot chili's uh for many sports system so

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i think uh on the golden he's thought put up there who's that

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person to the bridges at the bottom i think that and

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you know investigate people who can who can actually provide this service

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to this type columns each critical but in terms of the budget it's the last thing on the list i. e.

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so it's it's it's listening to a higher something to control go

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ahead might do yeah just i mean just considering that there

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i mean it's very complex topic of course a lot i mean on

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the other hand just referring on the on the intervention it

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there has been some some success for example are mainly

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we're involving football wins a mention all the

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football association and some of them as a endorsed to just now

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i would say not to spread out the problem but

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to engage in a in coaching education to provide some basic uh ellen menace

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and that is being there are some some excellent examples around the world or

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and uh some of them as as being published as well so if you wanna have a look

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and uh of course is not they automate solution but it is one huh

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one ah practical aspect that can be done and if there is the wheeling willingness

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to do it then it's feasible of course other shows a remain but

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this is absolutely feasible if they're that person's acting are are willing

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tool to endorse decent to promote education i mean as you

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mention coaching is one of the key aspects still

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maybe also in the curriculum of the coaches working with child and

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go ahead and i think it's important also to make a distinction between information and education

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and when you are create information material you make it able to stay cool there

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but you don't know what they're doing with it when you educate you bring information in

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such a way that you can modify curious and get a feedback also funded user

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and i think that is thinking sports i'm from the sport okay says hi

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i think what is the thing is to work with education professionals in order to bring

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no it's even adequate way to the right people and then get feedback so that you know

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how efficient the next area was brought to then yes and we can ah

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how materials that's i think that's really important if we want to

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make sure that not it is efficiently spread in the community

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so i think we closing in a little bit on on some issues here um

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with the first talks yesterday and the the talent discussion and a broad base

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a lot of kids that we want to grow up and be active and and

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contribute to health and also to sports and uh and jason you mentioned that

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pedagogical aspects in doe's ground layers of very important i think that

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is what you're referring to um but it's not just about coaches that are at the the

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bottom starting part of the educational part as a coach they're involved with the the kids

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when they most need those uh quality even those educational component so how do we tackle that

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so that's a difficult one because uh and it's if you have a wanna know the solution

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to something follow the money money's the topping the parcel isn't a weekly for touchy but

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i'm from an idealistic would've you we would like to uh flatten

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the coaches hierarchy so that we equally value those small

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he recalls working and having gripe this contact with children

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and supplying the note i didn't even write feedback

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you know we wanna say within else falls for actually that we value you as much as

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there's a beach taking the actually to tell you that you guys

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um it's more important what she'd die all have equal importance in development

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and but but you need to write input at the right on the right skills it full the task you hate that

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of course um we don't uh appalachia those kind of resources so

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you know i guess john shift the the bite a little bit to to in

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heritage and all the recognise the importance of some those italy coaches in

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often you hear about it within a split a particular lake she will do

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that may ease at a little village have have produced another represented maybe middle it's because

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this person was the the guru office contacted without the installer generation uh and

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but that that's one thing which obviously is flattened coaching ha easy sit on on uh

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anybody else could you comment on the panel

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well i'm really much believe in the end user can't happen ass

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and then but then also quote a henry for us

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pa nineteen twenty before it got the first car but it by it that ended up faster horse

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and so then he bought the car and then that changed our generation a little bit so there's a little bit of

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spoon feeding with some of the concepts to of of finding some balance between with you know whatever was mentioning is

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getting strong immunity and when loaded the problem we have to doubt that out and

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we've done qualitative studies and look into it for example special station or

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families do not have a concern about it um and maybe that's

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not the only thing we study says that at the development

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but we still have technology that we're finding associations of potential rest i think there's that out so

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thing yes we we need to connect you with the end user that we have to still trust other that the science as we're having that discussion

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uh so i'll jump in on that a little bit to because you mentioned load there's been a lot of talk about training load but

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i still see on the field many parts of the world is a

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lot of improvisation that happens you know coaches coach they do things

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mainly they get quantify really things get to a critically analyst

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and these like visiting one of the reasons why we see a lot of injuries is because the

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the planning of the trading is actually no happening in in organic matter and if we can draw

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a parallel with schools we have a school system in education system that is built on

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modules progressions assassinations ways of equalising teaching don't you think

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it's about time we get something like that useful

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anybody yeah how do we get it done that

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whose responsibility is it is easy to figure nations the traditional ones that national ones

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coaching association has anyone got yanked around the world i closest to having it's i don't

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know there's few elements that seem to appear but this doesn't seem to be

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a structure where you do when you know would be uh but my question is how how do you develop offence to from

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six years all the way out to being a senior fence it there are some very

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generic guidance but actually never happens what is appropriate for voting useful to do

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and and i don't quite understand why because no sports and growing better

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professionals the small coaches but it doesn't seem to be uh

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are we doing yeah i'll give one model that seem to work on

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us because this is the use parse crisis and us despite

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all of this talk about sports we believe most sports are decreasing

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and participation so the national governing bodies and out listening

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and you have to say happy with most concerned about that within just a

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quick question asked it with the intense early training and and those concerns

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so u. s. a. hockey the national governing body then made to decisions

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one is to change their construct and structure of there's four

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but they had the mini the ice was divided into many sections

00:29:19

and they were smaller a person's for smaller classes age appropriate

00:29:23

um and then they discourage them from doing intense training they actually told him to go play other sports and

00:29:30

then the second part of the require coaching certification that advocate for like the model they wanna do

00:29:36

and whether this is just an association reject result of it their numbers actually increased

00:29:42

in terms of how participation and we tension because the the little

00:29:46

kids were playing but they were leaving but then now

00:29:49

they're keeping them eight twelve years old and that their measure of success so now we're using that as a

00:29:55

american done um i would clearly was an american uh but that make america great again ah

00:30:02

and so we're using that i thought the model as the way a national governing body

00:30:06

can work on both kinds of policy change than also coaching uh education adhesive

00:30:12

with with a certification to the other do you can't coach us the acting lesson passes a vacation

00:30:18

does anybody know of any similar program or anything anything

00:30:22

along those lines what happens in a dutch hockey

00:30:28

well not talking is kind of a strange association to be on its uh huh

00:30:35

hawking is like high social social economic loss and that is driven mostly the fans they

00:30:41

have a driven mostly by high rates turns the for kids to play hockey

00:30:46

so this is really small association really rich one by that

00:30:51

way as well because antisocial come placeholder board members

00:30:56

they are the directors of our our big companies so they they have good management skills

00:31:02

good contacts and and that really helps um i was at a one of

00:31:07

a symposium is uh like last month we had european championship parking

00:31:12

you see all these people together so there's the director philips and as

00:31:16

the director of of shell and all that basic in one room

00:31:20

and they talk about hockey and we talk about how the games or be within

00:31:24

them networking based on back company and m. and s. on some money

00:31:29

how they comes just support youth development from for men only having fun stage to get

00:31:35

him uh the best him and when they all the um how to do that

00:31:40

and that creates so much resources and drive that i haven't seen any other association

00:31:45

um how to get that magic i don't know how good those high level uh people uh

00:31:51

in all associations but uh i think this was a good case study for me at least to see how it can happen

00:31:58

um and how these different views can work together i still haven't figured out how

00:32:03

to translate such a model anywhere else uh how to grasp such model but

00:32:08

still thinking of that so if you awesome does again in two months i will have announced a problem

00:32:13

i like your optimise their own it anybody else want to have anything on this

00:32:22

with silent um with talk talks about hours of training and

00:32:28

special wise or not and uh and we finished with the last presentation but will go on

00:32:33

load in different aspects of load and a lot of literature goes around that

00:32:38

and uh and obviously there's been a lot less literature in use athletes

00:32:44

but how do we actually do it because i guess if i'm sitting in my office tonight it

00:32:49

happens everyday nicely young athletes come in and i try to understand what they're low this

00:32:55

but it is extremely difficult for me to understand what they're loaded any

00:32:59

finance then they they don't really know they can't even express it

00:33:03

so if we ought to consider those elements as key aspects of

00:33:08

okey drivers of us safer packed this or implementing some prevention detection

00:33:14

how do we do when we don't even have those numbers in any shape before i forgot maybe would like to comment on

00:33:23

yeah i have the i thankful task of sort of standing up or giving the general overview

00:33:29

just actually quite a bit easier than answering your question if i'm in

00:33:34

and i will refer one i'm just send that question maybe to the audience because

00:33:39

i'm sure there are people here that are working with athletes and the have

00:33:43

their ways of um not really down on that and then with all the

00:33:48

complexities of you know young athletes participating different teams a different groups um

00:33:54

and possibly with new technology and so that's that's in the direction i'm thinking but i don't think i have um

00:34:02

you know the answer but which

00:34:05

somebody and

00:34:06

you go

00:34:08

um hum

00:34:13

okay

00:34:17

uh_huh

00:34:21

thank you and well that what what else the on breast with money and mansion direct

00:34:26

as helping ass left there have less than how to get the best that's an

00:34:33

what we're trying to do is really just to use use technologies like you said you know

00:34:37

and he's and things like that trying to create a sort of critical mass off um

00:34:42

you know clinicians tactician as a people that one again people

00:34:46

all even just that you know athletes on high level

00:34:50

to try to get you some sort of that consensus what are the best and kind of cool

00:34:55

slice of how we can actually start to my sellout and and how we respond to that

00:35:00

um you know we use things like what subgroups and things like that to begin to kind

00:35:04

of create this is critical mass that shane summation to begin with and then test it

00:35:09

uh you know the the best best thing that i can think of

00:35:12

how to monticello doing an athlete is is problems it is subjective

00:35:16

and marcus five because it's so easy and she do it every am

00:35:21

you know if you ask that pass now integrated into a an

00:35:26

into at program by the coach actually gathers that information and then molds the program on

00:35:31

top of it it's actually very useful and and goodbye of of doing that

00:35:36

and in terms of tracking reuse boards we use board interface you'll see a room and that you know

00:35:41

and create um kind of like a sharing have channels the athletes is lao survey

00:35:46

you now days they look after each have that they they work as a team even

00:35:50

tell track and field is an individual sport we try to put them into

00:35:54

kind of working groups if you like to look after each other spot chat i know how how they

00:35:59

how they train how many reps they do sell you know we can start them track face you know on excel sheet

00:36:05

savages trance transferring misinformation from that war up on the computer

00:36:10

and tried and then track that to to time

00:36:13

see munching sleep at looking at um you know apps on have watches they'll have their you

00:36:19

know their fall and put it on the piano you come on i said that's the

00:36:23

patterns and the other really good ah is um training peaks

00:36:29

that calculates probably hat official level of allowed of the amount of load

00:36:33

tens of intensity and how that ah track a progress is seeking yet

00:36:38

lots of a very detailed information over a long time and that is the key thing it's the

00:36:44

long get along longevity of the machine that you can ban impress upon into your interventions

00:36:50

that that is that that is the t. v. and it's not really a bad taking

00:36:53

that one step the snapshot alaskan asking somebody will dental days like you say voice

00:36:58

people don't often they don't they don't understand what you mean by

00:37:02

that you know they they they don't see that psychology

00:37:05

school wide g. c. s. e.s exams all of these things actually allowed they don't see it as loud

00:37:12

okay so we we know there's a ton of apps and this what the training pizza or the tools

00:37:18

uh and and we show the show it to them and the they're not doing it so um and

00:37:24

we collaborate with coaches and we talk about i get a training environments that common the they'd like

00:37:30

frost to set up a system of working together of communication i talk about money train

00:37:35

and start with simple stuff excel spreadsheet so then maybe and ah except for the

00:37:41

this the yeah well studied yeah we'll do it no they don't um

00:37:45

so uh i understand the longitudinal data we need to have that i think we can all agree on that

00:37:52

but the bottom line is if we can't get anyone to start really recording if you use it

00:37:57

small things and we haven't even talked about what these parameters we talk about subjective parameters being important

00:38:02

how does a twelve year olds objectively evaluate training or parameters that's another question are they going to um but

00:38:10

should we talk to the parents should parents be monitoring vote should the coaches

00:38:17

but that would mean command with um the technologies is extremely important

00:38:24

if we want to to do systematic of money driven

00:38:28

i think it's also important to to the children and the parents and one of the and the

00:38:34

pediatricians put edition and have worked for twenty more than twenty years with didn't have then

00:38:40

changing uncritically support technician on that on an international level

00:38:45

i think uh it's important to evaluate the the global hands of children

00:38:51

not only the physical have it it's a good indicator to the pain and and

00:38:57

and number uh uh the rate of injury but also the the well being

00:39:02

actually how do they feel if they have fun going to train because in some

00:39:09

the period something here it's getting so hot with school in train

00:39:14

competition that the the sometimes don't have fun going between

00:39:19

and and i'm the one don't want to go one and and i think

00:39:22

that's the important indicator it's easy usually associated with overuse injury which party

00:39:29

ah with least explain important if we asked systematically

00:39:33

the time when the good too bad and

00:39:35

when they wake up and how they sleep usually young athletes go to bed tonight

00:39:41

because they go to school in between and they come back home nathan

00:39:45

and they have a dinner usually late so that's an important question

00:39:50

and and it i think it's also important to access school performance

00:39:56

usually young athlete to decree sports performance

00:40:01

ah dick resulted in school performance and same time soon

00:40:05

yeah i think thing the the global had packed like it's important the problem is it takes time

00:40:11

and we can not as uh has professional fee or laugh meet

00:40:15

regularly seven important to teach 'em coaches the tools to parents

00:40:20

to be aware of of these difficulties to have an open i

00:40:25

one eight and and to discuss it with the trial and with the qualities

00:40:30

i guess it talk assess evaluated takes time but what and how do we do it

00:40:35

because uh we can all agree with what you said and and we we face that all the time but how practically

00:40:42

do we go from this room monday and we start implementing something

00:40:48

uh_huh

00:40:52

uh_huh hello um my name is that one can sign

00:40:55

head of physical education at the international screw geneva

00:40:59

and uh it's interesting to uh analysts work moved

00:41:04

on and up on an excel sheet cetera

00:41:08

but when you re i'm trying to get back to is feeling is understanding

00:41:13

i think we have to sort of get back to nature little bit with our young individuals

00:41:18

and uh yeah the the not feeling uh getting the deep feelings when they're physically

00:41:24

exercising and they're unable to understand the the war puts that they're going through

00:41:29

as a parents teachers coaches would would be one for

00:41:34

children we want them to be a an

00:41:38

healthy happy and strong and it's they have the few uh themselves so it's great

00:41:44

to write it down a on an excel sheet over not to tell you

00:41:49

but i think we really have to get back to the not choose

00:41:52

side of being physically active though that's what i found and i've

00:41:56

played sports a high level of good children you're doing that and often i'm just going back to saying how do you feel

00:42:05

what's going on your board you listen to boredom so i think we have

00:42:08

to move a little bit in the area of a mind tunis

00:42:13

and getting back to nature and uh doing things uh that make you happy

00:42:18

and sometimes to bring in ah that's another technology can can a can

00:42:22

confuse a young child and when i work with young children

00:42:27

i'm saying that'll work how do you feel at the end of the lesson lie

00:42:30

down breed and listen to your body and feeling is understanding for me

00:42:40

i don't see that someone else that's something yeah i'm i'm going shopping yeah

00:42:47

yeah i um i agree with you actually or and i'm a than mainly due to the sort

00:42:54

of pragmatic to some of the situation that you get onto on on that level where

00:42:59

because i don't think there's a dichotomy between you sort of your also them the polarisation that we also spoke to us that

00:43:05

i i do think that uh these things can coexist but

00:43:09

at that level i strongly believe in encouraging a conversation

00:43:16

i'm encouraging a young athletes to to listen to the bodies and

00:43:20

try to to feel how they feel and

00:43:26

eyes i certainly has some very below average i'm directly had that

00:43:29

experience myself um when i was playing soccer and football

00:43:33

that some days i would just really feel invulnerable for injury or um

00:43:39

huge reached into to it the whole holistic picture of your daily have so i

00:43:44

had to do this week was crazy you have a game of thursday or

00:43:48

you know you have a pact isn't just feel like you did not get the rest you needed or

00:43:51

so i think there's value there and of course then you're ready to all sorts of problems with

00:43:55

in terms of if you wanna quantify this but that's you know that's that's them secondary to actually

00:44:02

teaching your kids to to listen to how they feel and i think there's great value there

00:44:10

i guess and uh and the guy put up the ten commandments of changes that at least give

00:44:17

whatever comment i've actually really uh appreciate this concept of feel in i

00:44:21

think the first there's the moral question when you have a lead

00:44:23

twenty two year old actually when you say you go as hard as

00:44:27

you can you explore that a deadline when you cross that

00:44:31

put yourself at risk you might get hurt in mind i am i ever train become a cop and you go back

00:44:36

so the moral question is is that okay eighteen is that okay it sixteen that is that okay fourteen is that okay to well

00:44:43

when is it okay that one of us has to say that lines to five

00:44:48

where's that line and so stop report of our school week and these

00:44:52

h. versus ours rules which i completely stop when my coaches as a friend and

00:44:57

is that that's what i don't let them go more hours per week than

00:44:59

eighty and then i studied at an independent risk and then i propose now it's

00:45:04

my role as that you don't publish so you don't get it uh

00:45:08

and all it is is it's speed limits in so you have to have some kind

00:45:12

of your writing down you know uh an expressway and you don't know if it's

00:45:16

a forty mount are needed now now we have to get parents coaches and speed

00:45:19

limit that yet and there's gonna be exceptions but it the more question is

00:45:23

when do you allow that the exceed or not and i i'd like ours because it they

00:45:28

know honey hours week they signed up for training program and they can be quite bad

00:45:32

fairly easily and there's there's a lot of the subject quite a

00:45:36

bit 'cause isn't on the research side but yet still

00:45:40

uh it's a very user friendly and you can compare to your age compared to how much you play other sports and and

00:45:46

and so if s. even eleven around and they're doing sixteen or eighteen hours a week you might just say well

00:45:52

that seems like quite a bit and it's natural intuition so maybe that's what you can do on monday

00:45:58

for others well i imagine that we will you listen and then try to

00:46:03

teach the young athletes to listen to the body and i've had

00:46:06

how many tell me or that they don't know what that means or don't have it

00:46:10

was into my body because that doesn't mean anything to them uh if that

00:46:17

well when we asked a similar question a qualitative study i just referred to

00:46:21

and then these adult that it so um that's disclosure

00:46:26

but what they say is the best place for them to

00:46:30

take up injury prevention messages is to be injured

00:46:33

because they learn from that they learn how the body reacts tell them when they go to five and then

00:46:39

they start to do that in texas size or then they start to listen to the coach and

00:46:47

no i i yeah i honestly think that if this happens this process happens in adult

00:46:53

this same process in a different way meant different level is happening in these young athletes as well um

00:47:00

and i think part of that high dropout rate due to injuries

00:47:03

because they can't call with the process when they get injured

00:47:07

so instead of trying to measure a lot of things before they get injured of course we need to model model what looked at them

00:47:14

and manage risks i think there's also a big big opportunity to

00:47:18

just really listen to them and explain to them what happened

00:47:22

go to their level i mean get way educate them to befriend next time and it's sports still healthy

00:47:28

it can still be fun and how they came how they can manage that risk for themselves

00:47:34

so we should should not only look at the first but but also that the second part

00:47:38

i think we're missing that in this discussion maybe we saw in the

00:47:42

presentation uh by christine home uh from the norwegian athletes that

00:47:48

about two thirds of injuries were recurrent injuries or secondary injuries so

00:47:52

that would be for that sort of secondary prevention or

00:47:55

a opportunity to to educate that's what you're saying the but when you get them in

00:48:00

fees you you'll put stuff on the board and then that's an opportunities oh

00:48:06

we have one of the bible that

00:48:09

can i ask my quest first got the one has to make rubber have something to tell the topic

00:48:15

i have two numbers that are so strange for me on one side if you're coming from

00:48:21

walking the walk from one place went for hunting and everything so it means that people

00:48:25

walking about ten to twenty kilometres a day now we're sitting eight ten hours

00:48:30

so in my opinion pieces paradox and when we don't have to like to

00:48:35

olympic standards that we need to train this the best the best or

00:48:41

in one spot so you have to go and see them so that means you have to see even more

00:48:47

so in my case now i'm responsible for all the ski uses kigali

00:48:51

uh it's i need to keep the children home because they're they can go out the door and

00:48:59

sport because when i have them in the core you're losing time and they're also sitting

00:49:05

so this is on your media interesting products it's so close and you're going

00:49:09

so far instead of doing nothing just in front of the door

00:49:21

well let me make the assertion sort of based on an anecdote um sometimes i don't

00:49:28

don't help to to you know to give to give a good idea to subject

00:49:31

and one of the um he wasn't one of the elites assertion is that uh the

00:49:36

best athletes out there also the best uh listening to the body they don't

00:49:40

necessarily have apps or i i'm sure they do put your late but certainly i mean

00:49:45

are you searches that they might not need them as much as others and um

00:49:50

this is the story of a region um at least clear cross country

00:49:53

skier certain insurance sports like yours mostly running warmer tone or uh

00:49:57

mm breath or something like that so they they it's it's it's an

00:50:01

exercise in that last for for now are more and he

00:50:06

was relentless in not in in if somebody has a has a training diaries there's thomas all school

00:50:13

he was relentless in following is um the signals from the body his training

00:50:17

diary said that he was going to do our part interval session

00:50:22

today or you want one on friday but he thought that was just fire you he he sets himself he would just

00:50:29

rest at home in the car when the coach for day or two or five was really let it wasn't following his own

00:50:35

body rhythm and then basically we just go out and kill it and then they would do that in just followed body

00:50:41

and he was the best skewing the broke now that's an anecdote doesn't mean much in the big picture

00:50:45

but i think it's it's an i. d. for us to to take a more to think about

00:50:54

it could be the question here can i i i just from the marker so can i uh yeah

00:51:00

just go on thank you um i wanna come back to what you said about about teaching

00:51:06

about talking to parents and and i but i think you guys forget something here

00:51:13

or explain to me how come stat and th

00:51:18

eleven twelve two g. fifteen euro there have

00:51:22

practitioner gear do a lot of of physical activity and

00:51:28

then coming back all at four five o'clock

00:51:32

edifying frames and dave playing for four hours

00:51:36

two one two three on three soccer a pond hockey or or back yard hockey

00:51:42

whatever and nobody is asking about the a mound of login and about

00:51:48

about uh injuries and whatever they're just go they're they're having fun

00:51:54

and get do allow they're probably scientifically the over do

00:52:01

to find the gong show why should we stop in there

00:52:06

and we actually did a asked that question yes about free play and we noticed actually

00:52:12

that the it was the source economic study on those kids when the lower socioeconomic status

00:52:18

had more on organised activities like you're describing they had

00:52:22

more physical actively hours per week uh approaching

00:52:25

back eighteen to twenty hours per week in it'll lowest weight of series of these injuries

00:52:31

so was just the organised sports activities that create that 'cause it's not self directed

00:52:36

then with subtracted like you explain the rest in my estimation

00:52:39

but there's very little data is probably lower in those

00:52:43

settings so i would encourage then i think we do sing and the increasing that have effectively it's price

00:52:49

it may be protected that we need help that i haven't seen any other data and that lets you guys are away

00:52:58

well apart from from the physical lot um but what we see happening in ellen's for instance

00:53:03

is that we have this talent development programs of these children get high quality coaching guidance

00:53:10

which usually is a bit far away from home because that's that's separated in districts

00:53:15

so these kids they go to school at eight thirty in the morning and mostly they already had a training session

00:53:21

that they need to travel for one and a half or maybe

00:53:23

two hours to get to that central training uh a facility

00:53:29

into trying to do the homework then they do the training there we travel back how many of delicately parents

00:53:35

pick them up but for a kid is is uh from seven to mine in the evening continuously working

00:53:42

and that doesn't mean necessarily have to be physical work but still meant to work and

00:53:46

it's it takes them out if i look at my kids they come home

00:53:50

from school at four unlikely they're not elite athletes but still they need to do

00:53:54

homework to late at night and then at eight and nine minute finally done

00:53:59

we say that can i play on the computer or they can place when l. because then you need to go

00:54:03

to bed so they smell free time for these kids anymore and and that's one other little it's completely forgotten

00:54:10

and adding to what nearly just said i think having them play outside you're lucky if they

00:54:14

play outside because usually they they jump behind the playstation places out there these days

00:54:20

um but chronic load is good too and i think that's good not just below it because it's a high level but

00:54:26

also because it had different skills and techniques and and strength

00:54:31

um to them but they don't getting a sport specific

00:54:34

train so that that ability increases by which the injury risk decreases it to it got it

00:54:45

we have a pushy high i work in a football account music it's true it's eleventh radiating we ask

00:54:51

it's it's eleven session or p. e. after every session if i and all the way through

00:54:57

uh it's a like kate's it's eleven twelve i don't think the good understanding of why they feel while that's actually was

00:55:05

they get better i feel as the progress we treat our to to valley costly

00:55:09

and i think of a better understanding of how hard that's actually was

00:55:14

do you think it's a pointless exercise i think it's an educational tool asking or p. it's eleven

00:55:19

twelve to get tickets to think about how that's actually was to listen to the bottom

00:55:27

uh_huh

00:55:28

anyone question

00:55:33

you you you and your interest lies a market i mean well we we

00:55:36

don't use it in our academic because he was a pointless exercise

00:55:40

i pretty much uh we we stopped doing it but i think one of the other reasons was that

00:55:44

ease really culture specific you know in some cultures they would not let me

00:55:49

yeah yeah the the pain or they they are struggling show and then we didn't have probably get up a

00:55:55

translation they they could be meaningful so we we don't do that so especially young people is the

00:56:02

it's but probably caps back to duty levy all asked what we were hearing before it's important to

00:56:07

ask how you do and just in general how what you and then sam sam kate's

00:56:14

my express their emotions sound all but i i think sometimes

00:56:18

you can be a start but we stopped using it

00:56:20

in a systematic way because we would not getting anything when you use if everybody else wants to comment

00:56:27

if i just wanted to some value even i'm having

00:56:32

recovery on a high feelings a navy um the validity of

00:56:37

the up he may not necessarily be the but

00:56:39

fact that it's just in the list for the athlete to stop and think and

00:56:43

reflect on how to ah feeling and to to talk about it so

00:56:47

and he saw it so i'm not sure i think maybe it could be some that advantage for that and they need

00:56:53

there's always i think some advantage fall a systematic prevented the

00:56:58

education people for the athletes for the for the parents

00:57:01

and for the coaches told before but they you know important although i play in in the overall uh and

00:57:08

package of development and so um i think you know anything that sort

00:57:12

of joystick given a hand out with it's about helping of late

00:57:16

with self regulatory uh the fact is whether it's a and hoping the coach to

00:57:24

i think the catches actually intend to load management actually pretty good by enlarge it uh and

00:57:30

sort of understanding with the athletes a coping with this stimulus i think

00:57:35

we perhaps undressed an idea abilities in this regard maybe or coaches

00:57:39

in the room that here about having to do an excel spreadsheet and put a

00:57:43

lots of guided to the knowledge to uh had i think is going but

00:57:47

a lot of folks in the catches a lot of work with uh i don't like that approach but

00:57:52

they do it in should really that with the coping and but then i don't

00:57:56

know what all the low parameters ah but i know that something's not raw

00:58:00

now the peewee dollars which i knew what to to to give the athletes something else uh is

00:58:05

ah just make a point about the benefits is

00:58:08

prevented education stimulus full discussion about those things

00:58:16

i just hope that it happened

00:58:25

it had a hot yeah right

00:58:35

oh i see

00:58:43

i wish i caught

00:58:51

yeah i i i i

00:58:59

what i what i guess

00:59:05

let's see what what approach

00:59:11

it's just i oh well

00:59:19

do do you think we should use that as a let's say a year of uh

00:59:24

educating themselves around these parts of measures or evaluations

00:59:29

knowing that we commonly used the downtown

00:59:32

but that they're gonna get used to it does anybody have that sort of experience

00:59:38

uh_huh

00:59:42

uh_huh uh_huh

00:59:46

well i'm with a different group so i've tried to use that something like

00:59:49

i. p. yeah i feel like at least six month uh when there

00:59:53

in that maybe unit dollar sent or early adolescence or eleven twelve thirteen fourteen

00:59:58

uh before the the the on the stand the idea of it of course if

01:00:01

it's reinforced on a regular basis by the coaching environment and if we if

01:00:06

we i say we because on the medical doctor when i see them i

01:00:09

actually asked about that and if they see that the within the environment

01:00:14

is the measured that has some value for different stakeholders

01:00:19

and and this is just like you were talking about the other elements as well

01:00:22

um i don't know it do we touch in on a little bit of

01:00:26

the interdisciplinary way of working where we need to build a common language and

01:00:31

and that's just one example but the out there could be many others

01:00:35

mark uh what do you think in in the academy where you actually have been to

01:00:39

the to the night yeah it it's it's challenging everywhere you interdisciplinary i think

01:00:45

probably one of the other opinions they we don't explore by choose the a lot of things

01:00:50

that get me fired these days you know kids like games and be due gains in

01:00:55

you know my son can tell you the fee for ratings of every single player in the in the game

01:01:00

so we should probably look at ways to engage we yeah yeah politically swayed guinea phi

01:01:07

whatever we need to do a because of the under they were we trying

01:01:09

to accomplish is a behavioural change if we want them to follow the

01:01:14

the pretty uh application stuff to warm up things didn't we should know

01:01:19

and that means we we need to find ways that that language is appropriate for that age will

01:01:24

probably give me fine could be could be solution uh i'm actually very curious to us

01:01:30

but it's people independent so we have a physiotherapy is we

01:01:33

have a medical doctors we have sports scientists rehabilitation is

01:01:37

we'll try to at one point to influence the decline the end user to make sure they do the right thing

01:01:43

and i'm curious to know how i ask a in particular works when it

01:01:48

tries to implement change nutritional happy it's what was be nice experience

01:01:53

and if we seen any change in the last few years what works what doesn't work

01:01:58

uh i think unfortunately um the answer that i would give is that there's no one size

01:02:03

fits all and and i think it's really important to understand who we are trying to

01:02:09

uh influence and then uh put a program together that is

01:02:13

appropriate for that person or that group to your work

01:02:17

and i i think it's impossible to come up with

01:02:20

something that works for in all situations what

01:02:24

has been your biggest challenge when you try to implement your intuition buys you nutrition program

01:02:29

um i thought it's a it's a whole variety of challenges i

01:02:35

think depending on who you you work with a um

01:02:39

it it could be a working with a group of the four years that

01:02:47

not necessarily that interest it a which is a typical uh example i think

01:02:54

uh um how do you get them to be interested i and

01:03:00

i think the answer there is just gauge and given things ah

01:03:05

of interest to them uh um do really simple actions with them

01:03:10

uh i'm a talking yesterday about even just measurements of body weight before

01:03:16

after training now after you get a little bit of discussion about

01:03:21

how much select that eh training so

01:03:28

that discussion would be in another situation would would

01:03:31

be meaningless yeah it's really it's uh

01:03:36

yeah every situation it's good for any comments from the feature therapists because you

01:03:40

face the same issues you try to indicate and to do things

01:03:45

yeah the line extends and the better chance we have

01:03:50

to change things i think it's when will you

01:03:56

the other we're really i relationship with the tour with

01:03:59

the coaches and discuss things and take times

01:04:03

this could be done by screening you know that's screening time we we do

01:04:08

and we can you know we we measure things but we also talk about those

01:04:14

and explain how far findings and tried to

01:04:18

um to do some uh intervention

01:04:23

sometimes they have a a lot of questions about other topics

01:04:27

like a is it a useful to do some stretching

01:04:30

or is it to us and simple questions that difficult to answer to that uh i think if we

01:04:37

had actually to have time or to invest time

01:04:41

in relationship than we can have some influence

01:04:50

but i can add something just icing mark or you were alluding i'll kind

01:04:55

of up to sell i've sell the and maybe an exercise or

01:05:00

or to of course some either out the door just i mean just from empirical experience

01:05:07

and from from our group or colleagues and uh i mean uh i don't

01:05:13

know any studies about it but if you have a role model so

01:05:16

that are made performing or saying something or they are they're showing i don't

01:05:22

know what the real an exercise then especially with his young people then

01:05:27

much easier to sell it not all the same now you have to do one two three specifically but uh

01:05:33

look maybe nine mar or missed what they're telling or i'll i'll they are doing

01:05:39

or um or maybe a coach maybe a famous

01:05:43

coaches this uh is having eclipse telling something

01:05:49

i mean just just empirical but uh it works a lot and and

01:05:53

people often listen listen to these they one listen to last

01:05:58

uh doing a presentation but if you have a short clip but with a famous former lecture or

01:06:05

absolutes coaches or whatever they are more team to to follow

01:06:09

these because they are seen as their role model in

01:06:14

whatever whatever this means yeah the fun well

01:06:20

i think that the the more the new but maybe

01:06:25

we can use to new technology to help us

01:06:30

the technology of the next yeah generation

01:06:34

because we we and when we were repeating

01:06:40

several times that the the same thing to the to the young people maybe we

01:06:46

can use some some three d. some movie like you you you propose

01:06:53

but maybe we we don't know how how we we have

01:06:57

maybe to ask too young how we can give them

01:07:03

the the the information with which kind of support the

01:07:09

the will be the best i think they have dances and not us not to to all sorry

01:07:16

maybe we we need to plan of young people to answer to this question

01:07:23

well with what we don't have on the panel this technology communication behaviour specialist

01:07:29

and everything that we seem to be talking about revolves around communication and behaviour

01:07:34

now uh i'd like to to honest with a but ross gordon the three of you have mentioned

01:07:40

um management uh aspects marketing aspects

01:07:46

and behaviour change aspects and corn you referred a lot to

01:07:50

design thinking human certain design i know you have a

01:07:52

lot of interesting then stanford is a set of the world for that um maybe i'd like to ask you

01:07:58

your fords on on where actually you would like this to go and and this is not

01:08:03

just for you to have it as you mentioned it's also for for help in general

01:08:09

hum hum hum hum on well for a group like this

01:08:17

where where i would like to see it go

01:08:19

is um we know that we need evidence we need 'em sites we need quality data

01:08:27

but i think the emphasis toward understanding how people how much

01:08:32

they care about it will use it needs shaft

01:08:36

so what would you do for example if you wanted to

01:08:39

get a um a sixty four roll widow um

01:08:44

exercising i think she says i don't exercise to stop there and then move or

01:08:51

to find out what's important to that person you you've got all the data on the value of exercise

01:08:57

but i think we wanna stick just need to care more or whether it's in this room

01:09:02

so i just need to care a lot about what coaches think and vice

01:09:05

versa which we need to understand um more about what matters because

01:09:13

you otherwise um we're just not gonna be able work be affected when we try to implement

01:09:19

whether whether it's a medication to medication that should dizzy light headed and nauseated you're not

01:09:23

gonna take even though you have high blood pressure it's the same thing here

01:09:27

it is isolated you know if we sit isolated and don't really care about what other people think

01:09:33

we could develop programmer coach could say i really could care less the

01:09:36

athletes secure but also on the the what we need to do

01:09:40

is fine know what athletes really what what coaches really want and then begin to design

01:09:46

the work we do investigations and the programs around that instead of sort of

01:09:52

well what's being funded or like concussion is the cool thing right now

01:09:57

we we find out what the end user group what's um that's about the

01:10:02

best suggestion i could make except the fact that there are um

01:10:07

there are these tools that can be used and i think the report for overcoming

01:10:12

various up locks or impediments um i'll get a quick examples says lee saunders

01:10:19

was a nurse um in the fifties she married a survivor of

01:10:22

the warsaw ghetto died from cancer well she'll hospital she said

01:10:27

um this isn't a very comfortable experience for my husband that's

01:10:32

wouldn't to hospice but the people that ask all set

01:10:35

we're not gonna do that at hospice didn't exist to one of the reasons they didn't wanna do it is because doctors and nurses

01:10:41

didn't like the idea that they hadn't cured this patient was uploaded there you go

01:10:47

so she spent her life getting hospice put in place which is the shift in mind set

01:10:52

so what we're talking about here is starting a small way to shift the mindset

01:10:56

integrating the top down or doesn't even use that word but the analytical data

01:11:02

yeah but its base data out with the preferences people exhibit that's a big step culturally

01:11:08

but it could start a group like this 'cause we both need each other

01:11:17

question of the part of the uh uh not just about than sports fiction

01:11:22

i think a very much for this uh interesting debate a disgusting about the tombs about

01:11:29

education where we know that turkish we can educate everybody eradicate uh parents et cetera

01:11:36

uh no do you know if it exists uh some um

01:11:42

a checklist or i don't know how to how to learn to

01:11:45

actually it's all bar and some red flags to know

01:11:49

about the body about the behaviours and if they have these talks

01:11:53

to it is a red flags to go to a doctor

01:11:57

or what to ask you to there are and so all of the coach do what do you think about that

01:12:06

oh i'd say briefly that's whatever ten commandments as recognise the red light there is low back shoulder and elbow

01:12:13

project going over and aptly just the least you can tell them don't ignore certain areas of the body

01:12:19

but i agree and i'm sure other people have clinical or research expertise but we

01:12:23

think those three areas editing logically also no support uh can be risk

01:12:36

i want to a question fall if we look at the contents context of injury

01:12:43

and uh um and and we've 'cause we've had somewhat pretty sessions as well and we've

01:12:47

seen some specific injuries that may or may not require a all operative uh intervention

01:12:54

but in the end that there's a there's a rehabilitation phase

01:12:56

that needs to include a many partners and again these

01:13:01

we're not talking about that educational component anymore but about how

01:13:06

do we actually have a successful rehabilitation younger fit

01:13:10

and i'm like just define what what do you consider successful

01:13:15

we have iteration when you have a new problem or that so you have enough to control it is

01:13:19

that needs to be managed for six months for twelve months with a twelve year old forty new

01:13:29

if you could if you know um

01:13:33

what is not working

01:13:36

is the maybe maybe we we we have to

01:13:40

reinforce the communication when installing uh between

01:13:47

do the different um and person one crew to the the patient

01:13:55

doctor feature to just go and parents

01:14:00

because because the we lose the i think we do that a lot of uh of situation

01:14:09

i get a close to to to to to these uh these communication

01:14:17

so on on a practical level we've heard of what subgroups let's take

01:14:21

this example uh who uses what subgroups with uh with reference

01:14:27

okay so there's quite a few people in it and um so we have a few problems with that one is confidentiality

01:14:35

um should we ask about that one first the anybody has issues with confidentiality using what subgroups

01:14:42

to communicate around uh the reallocation or the the the simply management efforts in general

01:14:52

yeah

01:14:54

okay that's a difficult one uh either 'cause i have some issues without actually i find it helps a lot when we can

01:15:00

win the coach can send me an information this one's having a bit more pain and the animal respondent and we'll have

01:15:07

sometimes the athletes also in specific groups that are involved that should

01:15:11

we should we do that should we absolutely not do that

01:15:16

uh_huh

01:15:18

uh_huh

01:15:19

the common body

01:15:29

but the best way would have to be via

01:15:31

email professional email does put some protection but

01:15:36

we see that it's just so difficult to whom they improve the communication with

01:15:41

who to isn't happening to what's happened to good way to go

01:15:45

to transmit a quick information but we should make sure that there

01:15:49

is no one name and would i know it's an

01:15:52

in it so you thing in itself or uh or one thing and

01:15:59

the things that we we need to communicate about how the problem

01:16:04

otherwise the convenience and he's not a preserve

01:16:11

going be that that's one of the uh i guess the main problems that we have when we try to

01:16:16

communicate uh with different people around the health of of it and then when we talk about kids

01:16:21

um then we have extra partners as well we have the the parents and um so

01:16:30

yes go ahead

01:16:34

well i just think this is a matter for agreement

01:16:39

i mean if you have young athletes and the orange and and you have

01:16:44

uh uh stuff for our medical stuff a previous therapies coaches um it

01:16:50

should matter of agreement as soon as you follow that ass

01:16:54

uh you can make an agreement about how to communicate again it's important right

01:16:59

the the uh the analysis of of the the doctors are going to

01:17:04

to get visitor breezed into the coach's show that you can

01:17:08

you can just work uh specifically on the rehash so that yeah i can go back as fast as possible

01:17:14

chewed back to to competition and to uh it to work out because that's what the after a while

01:17:21

show i guess it it here it's not about the difficulty of communication if it's probably

01:17:27

yes but here a. e. g. output is in the centre of everything show

01:17:32

people around yeah i think that we're with yeah i think i should be able to make

01:17:36

an agreement with the africa that would fit and then everything should should work fine

01:17:47

sorry that's what a professional for communication a modern communication would

01:17:53

which ours is that what i heard last time conference

01:17:58

i've got yeah i i use the medium actually quite a lot

01:18:01

what's up or a similar uh facilities to communicate with

01:18:07

especially with young athletes because that's how they got sorry communicate everything is through its reform

01:18:14

um confidentiality might be an issue but i think actually get bigger issue is the effective solve that

01:18:20

communication because if any communication that goes out to a group i don't think it's very effective

01:18:28

but if that's a message reaches you as an individual it's completely different so

01:18:34

um selected messages target more target messages um you can

01:18:40

send it to multiple people at the same time

01:18:43

but they receive it as an individual and that i i think

01:18:46

that's really really key when you communicate with with it

01:18:51

and that that also gets around your confidentiality issues and

01:19:00

more than you you talked about shared decision making um to to take an easy question

01:19:08

oh i'm in the new environment the with the athletes that that the university

01:19:13

and the coaches the for the trainers in features and the scientist

01:19:18

how does share decision making function for athletes that are young and away from home

01:19:26

well it is a good question getting back to confidentiality which is such a big

01:19:31

deal united states you know they it affect shared decision making because um

01:19:39

if the athlete thinks they have to be open with all other information from whether the

01:19:45

taking the birth control pill or with your boyfriend is they're not as open

01:19:52

and you can't have that kind of shared decision making so in the united

01:19:56

states protected health information is a really big deal and leaks of

01:20:01

that kind of information don't just resulting being fired the resulting jail time

01:20:07

so i don't know if that's coming here to europe but

01:20:11

i think you have a better chance it sure decision making which um uh you know all

01:20:17

those kinds of techniques that lead to it um whether it's human centre design or

01:20:23

um you know different interview techniques are really really important but they require

01:20:28

the athlete to the end up in a high trust environment

01:20:32

and yes they will go around to get information as you know from different um people

01:20:38

but um shared decision making doesn't take place if there's any

01:20:43

pressure or intimidation to go up the particular direction

01:20:47

i'm sure decision making probably anyway states is more oriented toward

01:20:52

safety it's less likely that to an athlete who has

01:20:56

um khartoum up he's gonna be cleared that that then they can go on to participate

01:21:02

um but i think sure decision making is critically important of course you have to

01:21:07

have all the pieces of information together what are the risks and so forth

01:21:11

um but it's it's very important um i think usually it works actually pretty well

01:21:19

uh_huh

01:21:21

thank you well i think um we'll take if there's any other question from the crowd

01:21:27

it doesn't seem so i think we all uh i. t. u. t. and a little bit and um

01:21:33

we we need to come to a close um the the young athletes foundation

01:21:39

and the form has been started with the idea of bringing people together

01:21:44

now we have people together again we're trying to to really get to

01:21:48

the bottom of some some complex issues and i understand i realise

01:21:52

that we we're addressing some things that we don't have easy answers for

01:21:56

but that's quite obvious and the the goal the is however

01:22:00

for us for the yeah for the foundation to truthful long

01:22:03

after that conference and try to find some actionable

01:22:07

points and i'd like to ask the the panel members you if i

01:22:11

could go through each of you and and think of one thing

01:22:15

where you would put a little bit of your energy and that's actionable

01:22:21

not about a a research project or something but that's really

01:22:24

moving uh uh translating into practised being knowledge transfer what application in the field

01:22:30

and the and maybe focus thought would after um if you have anything

01:22:34

in mind if you don't recognise that the first one um

01:22:41

yeah and i i think where where i would start an area in the field of nutrition

01:22:46

where uh and sometimes you have the opposite problem

01:22:49

off back assigns implementation and a yeah

01:22:53

take seventeen years some sometimes it's it happens before the papers even published an

01:22:59

all it takes as a as a celebrity to take the idea forward and uh and then suddenly

01:23:05

everyone goes in that direction so i think that's where um it would be

01:23:11

very good to have first of all a at common sense is

01:23:16

around young i young children young young athletes

01:23:22

around what what what are we really trying to make chief on the on the nutrition front

01:23:29

and and i think that consensus is is not there uh yes

01:23:34

i think that that would be a very important starting point

01:23:37

and uh the second biggest challenge is how to get that

01:23:41

information out of course to the to your target

01:23:45

to your target audience and how do you engaged in uh in that in that process

01:23:51

um but i i think i would i would actually stops with getting that that first consensus

01:23:58

and then i really think about how whatever it practical ways to implement its thing

01:24:05

thank you all will be are you looking for actionable items for you if we use organisation or for for for

01:24:13

people work with athletes don't quite understand oh offered for people who work with aphids but

01:24:19

in in the field that you're close to uh not you you've researched on it

01:24:22

but you're knowledgeable in and you feel there's a gap contract is so that we can

01:24:26

actually start having an impact on the field and not in the research feel

01:24:36

01:24:39

i don't know so want practical so you know we haven't thought about this for thirty seconds now on the spot

01:24:45

the one with the first thing that comes to mind is working closely with coaching federations so that's one kind people

01:24:52

thing you can do to have an impact um because there is knowledge here and we need to get it out

01:24:59

um i'm i've spoken to some coaches here today so that you know

01:25:04

we're already belong to this very good start um the

01:25:10

yeah that that that would be i think the main thing because there are various various topics here that were covered during them

01:25:15

during the the rhythm of the conference and that can be

01:25:20

packaged in a way and it becomes somewhat already if

01:25:23

somebody to get out there and have dialogue with with people in coaches in the group that i think

01:25:28

uh it would be valuable to and and it's very it's it's possible you know there are coaching organisations that or

01:25:35

in clubs and sports that are organised already but we can't talk to to reach out

01:25:40

great thanks so we we had the responsible of of one part of switzerland

01:25:45

for coaching and they're doing a the renewing the coaching education program

01:25:50

and it was here yesterday and you push button saying we'd like to see how you can help us a

01:25:55

look at the content or curriculum and the integrate some of the ideas that you express into the problem

01:26:02

so if we can take that away from these two there's i think there's already one one point it in your

01:26:09

gordon um well just one piece of advice would be uh you probably

01:26:15

won't get the speakers back if you keep asking these hard um

01:26:20

well more tours putting away from what i could it what i could see investing in as i i love problem oriented learning

01:26:27

and if a group like this had a series of problems that were presented to coaches are scientists are physicians

01:26:34

um to try to solve how would you help me solve this problem is not just coaches or athletes but

01:26:41

medical staff have problems to how can i to go to the coaching staff it's like

01:26:46

what can i do about this athlete who wants to get the has this problem

01:26:50

it's uh it would be a very interesting way of of try of getting the groups together to to solve problems

01:26:57

and the format i guess would very that would have to be set up but

01:27:01

i i think we could help each other um this is probably the kind of environment that that could

01:27:06

happen in the right so we could create a a database of problems uh that are sold by

01:27:14

interacting with different experts and uh in node the the case studies and the um

01:27:20

the market we said we need to to use case studies more and understand how

01:27:24

we can benefit from the experience of others will take that definitely if it

01:27:30

on maybe does goes a bit in line with what gordon just said uh maybe it's

01:27:34

one step further i think we should walk away with that notion and uh that

01:27:38

um even though we're dealing with with health of athletes let's call it helped much just injuries there's more to it

01:27:45

half is within actually directly he's within a social cultural environment and

01:27:51

we have a lot of evidence and we target directly but

01:27:54

we need to walk away with the notion that um yet lead is part of a

01:27:59

team by team is part of a clap clap clap as part of a

01:28:01

district and you you go on and there's a lot of evidence but each little

01:28:06

bits and pieces of that evidence needs to be imputed reading that social ecological

01:28:10

system in various ways and if we start to try and understand that and put it

01:28:15

down to that level i think eventually it will sift down to get it

01:28:21

right so look that context in general and

01:28:25

little by psycho social models well and and environment and there are

01:28:30

a few folks minded those yemeni formica department first sentence um

01:28:36

the the first one i just wanna make is in this discussion which is not been for the last sort of forty five minutes

01:28:42

one thing that's really important is that you have to understand that your best action is highly

01:28:47

dependent on your specific context so if you're working with thirteen year olds in the school

01:28:54

that's different from working with thirteen year old son academy or clap

01:28:58

and it's very different from like men sixteen or eighteen also if i come to your question the front about asking as kids probably

01:29:04

if you're in a school environments and you got ten eleven you know it's it's absolutely pointless because

01:29:09

we know that the vast majority of people who wonder succeed as young adults and then

01:29:14

into senior sport will not be the best athletes at eleven or twelve so so

01:29:21

what's the what's the purpose of that intervention at that point is this item kind of making censored

01:29:27

so when you're trying to figure out what the best thing to do is you you have to understand what

01:29:31

to specific go isn't for that you need a mac or or like a light of the land

01:29:36

so the number one thing that i would suggest people look at investing in is understand the fly whether athletes in and out

01:29:42

of that system waited i interrupt waited at leave it now that's

01:29:46

obviously enormously complex i think was it market research uh

01:29:50

was it your permit that said well maybe texans yesterday so obviously there

01:29:54

are potentially infinite journeys to the top of that friday huh

01:29:59

but if you don't have some idea of where the f. it's coming in and ah then how can you

01:30:03

possibly plug the gap simpler leave and pull the string and push a button and so that's really important

01:30:09

then the other thing that i think is important is and and it's not feasible

01:30:14

but it's your best coach at a very young labels prix adolescence should

01:30:19

probably be working with your second and third best group of athletes

01:30:23

because that's where the successful actually it's a more likely to come from so that

01:30:27

i would i would look at turning the whole coaching thing upside down

01:30:30

but of course that's not gonna happen you're not gonna go to europe lab and check the basic question having work would be in the c. teams

01:30:36

so the solution instead is what jason eluded to earlier which is that we have to if we have to not flap and the correction

01:30:42

hierarchy but left up the the second your crutches so that's really important

01:30:46

and then the third one is to de emphasise competition because

01:30:49

when you think about the proportion of a child's time in

01:30:53

sport that is spent in actual competition it's incredibly small

01:30:57

it we make all our decisions and all our selections and we

01:31:00

drive the exposure to resources and people annex between based on

01:31:05

what's actually really small components of it tightly in guidance and support net doesn't make sense

01:31:10

so if you can t. emphasise competition it will free you up to invest in other areas and

01:31:14

i think those are practical things that can be done but the key thing to start with

01:31:19

is that you have to know where you are on the net because if you don't have a map in front of you how are you ever gonna get

01:31:24

trying to be so you gotta you gotta draw the methodist and that means understanding

01:31:29

the the context of the sport that you working great thank you know

01:31:35

my will be quite i think yeah what they want and when i

01:31:38

mean which kids that seventy percent to decide to get out of

01:31:42

support because they're something they didn't like about it and if we can change that hide them at thirty percent either are working right

01:31:49

two of forty or fifty percent high we all are any and it's it's for a while i think you're

01:31:56

jason was the question again what you wanna do it on monday or what you should do on monday buttons

01:32:07

they're not well it's not trying to you know i have you guys here

01:32:11

and the that fine trying to get as much of i cannot

01:32:14

so um yeah i you know around all the topics that we discussed if there's anything that you think is is really key

01:32:20

that you can dedicate a small team uh that puts a bit of effort to work on

01:32:25

yeah and not just discussing how sure decision making words in the world you know this we console

01:32:31

do you think i think from um the conference one is really reinforced

01:32:36

importance of knowledge trends but um i think we know last already about development and i think

01:32:43

a lot of the by six still not be in a downward deployed and uh

01:32:48

you know with the mike uh a framework role model on at the to kind of put it down in an overall

01:32:54

a plan in a corner a framework to to make sure that those sorts of important here is get get

01:33:01

it tended to decide how i would think that once we all ought to do is to still

01:33:07

uh have these educational taught modules uh

01:33:11

educational informational uh that hate the

01:33:15

you know the whole actually of the the pair the touch of the ass

01:33:18

late and you know what would be issue exercise wouldn't with these great

01:33:23

decide right let's put together the most important red flags

01:33:27

most important messages that we wanna wanna do

01:33:30

let's put package it up and some sort of the uh knowledgeable and make it available for it

01:33:35

very federation all have the weld it i could use it be something be very practical so

01:33:42

this is actually something on chong depended on on a trial by actually think that uh you know

01:33:46

at most small level doing that the this is a group such as

01:33:49

this could actually provide a leading base pratt does set all of

01:33:54

you know keeler any experience with educational experiences taking the point that you actually have

01:34:00

to deliver it sort of face to face to improve the impact but um

01:34:04

i think that we could pull that together that night that callable by local uh the beseech dip fall out of love to do that

01:34:12

thank you i'll get back to you on that if you just sort that out plus six plus mario i'm trying to

01:34:20

01:34:23

yeah so um i will say take uh i take advantage of

01:34:29

the support unity this uh this project i yelled project uh

01:34:36

try to engage a interdisciplinary uh it it

01:34:39

changes uh we seem sporting federations

01:34:44

maybe begin here at the formal like that maybe latest this level so i think this

01:34:53

there are opportunities then that can be done that there are examples in other countries this can be done and then

01:35:01

in the your level each of us can do something so just the willingness to do something but for the larger features

01:35:09

that's it or you don't say that's neat and other colleagues you have to go through this with the regions

01:35:16

oh thank you and and looking at examples and uh in in

01:35:19

again a marker mentioned their urban legends uh about what happens

01:35:24

uh in other places and we need to know sort of what happened where it works

01:35:27

well we go back to the case studies i think and and not just replicate

01:35:31

oh or reinvent the wheel but just try to to and of course context so different so we need to look at some the content

01:35:38

design yeah because so we have to convince the states and there

01:35:43

and uh have a government e. uh buddies that uh we i say you like warm tone

01:35:51

doing what we're doing so uh we we have also to reach not only the children that also

01:35:56

the people who were involved how higher you know critic

01:36:02

01:36:04

we'll have to keep rubbing and i think the media is i live and and and we were lucky to have the media yesterday and today it

01:36:10

today actually in in about an hour probably gonna show on national television to to than the few snippets of

01:36:17

our conference yesterday and and the debate yesterday so i think that's also an opportunity

01:36:22

oh to to act on that there's probably a lot of coaches a lot of stakeholders that

01:36:26

are outside of this room that i cannot see that maybe in switzerland for us

01:36:30

and and then we need to to maybe i can not quickly i think we need to use

01:36:34

the media in a in a smart way in trying to communicate as much as we can

01:36:40

well i'd like to to thank our panel and give him a big round of applause i know where

01:36:52

no no we will we get to a a very a quick close of the conference

01:37:00

and we still have the best uh abstract award in the last marco and suzanne

01:37:05

to come up here and to a hand the award of the best abstract

01:37:14

uh_huh

01:37:17

so we have three aspects that were presented and i would like to uh to announce the winner

01:37:32

oh to teach what do we know it's

01:37:36

yeah

01:37:38

yours if you honestly

01:37:47

yeah

01:37:52

thank you i again ah doors and the panel certainly for all of you

01:37:57

were fantastic contributions to this great event and to the scientific committee

01:38:03

i keep ha

01:38:08

01:38:13

but it it just to have it be a religious to do for you

01:38:27

01:38:32

thanks

01:38:34

okay it's so we also uh have

01:38:41

this will be the winner of the twitch the competition and i would like to ask uh

01:38:46

we'll just ah and the billy who were treating on behalf of the you have forum

01:38:54

and so they were keeping track of every treats out there and they've made a choice

01:39:05

oh everybody uh just pretty i wanted to describe the form country yeah we used to to the the best three

01:39:12

the first one was a number of decide scientific committee

01:39:15

worth or excluded uh from the contest so rivers

01:39:20

the second one was uh the uh the trade has

01:39:24

to deliver a key simple an important message

01:39:28

just so one was that we'd has to contain a a picture or grab to make more attractive

01:39:35

and the last one while trips will be written in english because we we trying to to

01:39:42

reach people who couldn't make it to to more true thirty two or to a really

01:39:50

and the winner isn't easy snipe yeah okay

01:40:00

i think i think like that

01:40:05

yeah in my opinion okay here's sexy i think your art

01:40:11

so if they were afraid that somebody misunderstood your

01:40:14

uh making graphic a sexy so then you you had to to comment uh would

01:40:19

you care to to expand on what you had to say on hold

01:40:23

how are you saying don't get me wrong i'm not saying this is easy and i

01:40:27

do tend to have some odd ideas but we do need to become more aware

01:40:35

what do you mean by making good effort directed ah um was quite boring i guess

01:40:41

to to care for athletes because everybody you know everything some one look after them

01:40:50

exam i i didn't expect this

01:40:55

just what is um syntax now ah i i

01:41:02

well thank you for good story with server but your remote for maybe the conference and help

01:41:15

good um it i would also like to thank the scientific committee very much and if uh if you could quickly

01:41:20

come up here so that we can acknowledge also the hard work of the scientific committee might think workload

01:41:25

please how if i can see i'm not sure what the other one

01:41:33

if they had to leave a parable milo yeah are you still hear

01:41:37

pair use not he get seasick himmler are you still here

01:41:43

no well suzy cream or you know about and mark were quite a no they basically uh my forgetting someone

01:41:49

no i think we're all that well thank you very much for organising and put together this conference

01:41:55

and uh it was great to end the uh last but not least uh i'd like

01:42:02

to thank all us because who travelled to come here and share the knowledge

01:42:06

and i will pass the last word to frederick kern the president of the organising

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Welcome
Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:18 p.m.

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Opening address
Boris GOJANOVIC
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:22 p.m.

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21:20

Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact
Manuel COELHO-E-SILVA, Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:31 p.m.

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Designing pathways to success – part kaleidoscope, part microscope
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Talent ID and Development: Why doing the “right thing” is not always the “best thing
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Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:16 p.m.

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BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND PATHWAYS TO SUCCESS - Q&A
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Resistance training during long-term athlete development
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Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:52 p.m.

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The development of aerobic power in young athletes
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Sept. 21, 2017 · 3:15 p.m.

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Fueling the young athlete
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Training young athletes: challenges and opportunities
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Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:01 p.m.

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TRAINING THE YOUNG ATHLETE - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:33 p.m.

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Coaching from junior to the top of the world (Lara Gut)
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18:02

Keep your athletes close and their parents closer: Working effectively with parents
Olivier SCHMID
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17:08

Combine sport and studies, are the schools doing enough ?
Florian ETTER
Sept. 21, 2017 · 6:11 p.m.

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08:58

COACHING, PARENTING AND DEVELOPMENT - Q&A
Panel
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DÉBAT PUBLIC (IN FRENCH) : Children and competitive sport, for the best or the worst ?
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 8:07 p.m.

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21:23

Knee ligament injuries in immature athletes
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 7:48 a.m.

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23:05

Osteochondral lesions
Franck ACCADBLED
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:11 a.m.

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19:29

The influence of athletic activities during growth on hip development
Rintje AGRICOLA
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:35 a.m.

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09:49

INJURIES WITH THE ORTHOPEDISTS - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:54 a.m.

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Back pain in young athletes
Liba SHEERAN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:34 a.m.

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20:29

Injuries and illnesses amongst young elite athletes – so healthy it hurts?
Christine HOLM MOSEID
Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:57 a.m.

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21:22

Long term sequelae of youth overuse injuries
Mark BATT
Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:19 a.m.

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OVERUSE INJURIES - Q&A
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:40 a.m.

23:16

Concussions in young athletes : myths and reality
Christopher NEWMAN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:52 a.m.

21:25

Screening for heart disease in sports – nonsense or necessary?
Matthias WILHELM
Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:16 a.m.

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Energy deficiency in young athletes – prevalence, consequences and screening
Anna MELIN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:39 a.m.

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Competitive Sport & Health: hidden issues
Gordon MATHESON
Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:04 p.m.

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THE COMPLEX MEDICAL PROBLEMS - Q&A
Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:33 p.m.

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Injury prevention in youth : What is learned in the cradle is carried in the tomb ?
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 1:46 p.m.

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Injury prevention programs : The 11+ Kids Project
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:12 p.m.

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Sports specialized training: what are the true effects and is it really all bad ?
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21:43

What is “load” and how does it impact athletes’s risk of injury ?
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:49 p.m.

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Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management
Joseph Janoski
Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:47 p.m.

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Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management - Q&A
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:54 p.m.

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Parents’ Knowledge of Sport Psychology and Nutrition
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:57 p.m.

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Injuries and injury risk factors in youth alpine ski racing: A two-season prospective study
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Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:09 p.m.

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FREE COMMUNICATION AND BEST ABSTRACT PRESENTATION - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:21 p.m.

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Closing Address
Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation
Sept. 22, 2017 · 6:04 p.m.

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Conference Program

Welcome Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:18 p.m.

Opening address Boris GOJANOVIC Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:22 p.m.

Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact Manuel COELHO-E-SILVA, Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:31 p.m.

Designing pathways to success – part kaleidoscope, part microscope Jason GULBIN, Designing pathways to success – part kaleidoscope, part microscope Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:53 p.m.

Talent ID and Development: Why doing the “right thing” is not always the “best thing Ross TUCKER , Talent ID and Development: Why doing the “right thing” is not always the “best thing Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:16 p.m.

BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND PATHWAYS TO SUCCESS - Q&A Panel Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:41 p.m.

Resistance training during long-term athlete development Urs GRANACHER Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:52 p.m.

The development of aerobic power in young athletes Grégoire MILLET Sept. 21, 2017 · 3:15 p.m.

Fueling the young athlete Asker JEUKENDRUP Sept. 21, 2017 · 3:36 p.m.

Training young athletes: challenges and opportunities Marco CARDINALE Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:01 p.m.

TRAINING THE YOUNG ATHLETE - Q&A Panel Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:33 p.m.

Coaching from junior to the top of the world (Lara Gut) Patrick Flaction, Elitment Sept. 21, 2017 · 5:20 p.m.

Keep your athletes close and their parents closer: Working effectively with parents Olivier SCHMID Sept. 21, 2017 · 5:52 p.m.

Combine sport and studies, are the schools doing enough ? Florian ETTER Sept. 21, 2017 · 6:11 p.m.

COACHING, PARENTING AND DEVELOPMENT - Q&A Panel Sept. 21, 2017 · 6:28 p.m.

DÉBAT PUBLIC (IN FRENCH) : Children and competitive sport, for the best or the worst ? Panel Sept. 21, 2017 · 8:07 p.m.

Knee ligament injuries in immature athletes Franck CHOTEL Sept. 22, 2017 · 7:48 a.m.

Osteochondral lesions Franck ACCADBLED Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:11 a.m.

The influence of athletic activities during growth on hip development Rintje AGRICOLA Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:35 a.m.

INJURIES WITH THE ORTHOPEDISTS - Q&A Panel Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:54 a.m.

Back pain in young athletes Liba SHEERAN Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:34 a.m.

Injuries and illnesses amongst young elite athletes – so healthy it hurts? Christine HOLM MOSEID Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:57 a.m.

Long term sequelae of youth overuse injuries Mark BATT Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:19 a.m.

OVERUSE INJURIES - Q&A Panel Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:40 a.m.

Concussions in young athletes : myths and reality Christopher NEWMAN Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:52 a.m.

Screening for heart disease in sports – nonsense or necessary? Matthias WILHELM Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:16 a.m.

Energy deficiency in young athletes – prevalence, consequences and screening Anna MELIN Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:39 a.m.

Competitive Sport & Health: hidden issues Gordon MATHESON Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:04 p.m.

THE COMPLEX MEDICAL PROBLEMS - Q&A Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:33 p.m.

Injury prevention in youth : What is learned in the cradle is carried in the tomb ? Evert VERHAGEN Sept. 22, 2017 · 1:46 p.m.

Injury prevention programs : The 11+ Kids Project Mario BIZZINI Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:12 p.m.

Sports specialized training: what are the true effects and is it really all bad ? Neeru JAYANTHI Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:29 p.m.

What is “load” and how does it impact athletes’s risk of injury ? Torbjorn SOLIGARD Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:49 p.m.

Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management Joseph Janoski Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:47 p.m.

Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management - Q&A Joseph Janoski Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:54 p.m.

Parents’ Knowledge of Sport Psychology and Nutrition Dr Camilla J. Knight Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:57 p.m.

Injuries and injury risk factors in youth alpine ski racing: A two-season prospective study Lisa, Müller Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:09 p.m.

FREE COMMUNICATION AND BEST ABSTRACT PRESENTATION - Q&A Panel Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:21 p.m.

Closing Address Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation Sept. 22, 2017 · 6:04 p.m.

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FREE COMMUNICATION AND BEST ABSTRACT PRESENTATION - Q&A
Panel

Welcome
Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:18 p.m.

Opening address
Boris GOJANOVIC
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:22 p.m.

Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact
Manuel COELHO-E-SILVA, Biological Maturation and the Path to Success: Before and After the Fact
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:31 p.m.

Designing pathways to success – part kaleidoscope, part microscope
Jason GULBIN, Designing pathways to success – part kaleidoscope, part microscope
Sept. 21, 2017 · 1:53 p.m.

Talent ID and Development: Why doing the “right thing” is not always the “best thing
Ross TUCKER , Talent ID and Development: Why doing the “right thing” is not always the “best thing
Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:16 p.m.

BIOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENT AND PATHWAYS TO SUCCESS - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:41 p.m.

Resistance training during long-term athlete development
Urs GRANACHER
Sept. 21, 2017 · 2:52 p.m.

The development of aerobic power in young athletes
Grégoire MILLET
Sept. 21, 2017 · 3:15 p.m.

Fueling the young athlete
Asker JEUKENDRUP
Sept. 21, 2017 · 3:36 p.m.

Training young athletes: challenges and opportunities
Marco CARDINALE
Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:01 p.m.

TRAINING THE YOUNG ATHLETE - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 4:33 p.m.

Coaching from junior to the top of the world (Lara Gut)
Patrick Flaction, Elitment
Sept. 21, 2017 · 5:20 p.m.

Keep your athletes close and their parents closer: Working effectively with parents
Olivier SCHMID
Sept. 21, 2017 · 5:52 p.m.

Combine sport and studies, are the schools doing enough ?
Florian ETTER
Sept. 21, 2017 · 6:11 p.m.

COACHING, PARENTING AND DEVELOPMENT - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 6:28 p.m.

DÉBAT PUBLIC (IN FRENCH) : Children and competitive sport, for the best or the worst ?
Panel
Sept. 21, 2017 · 8:07 p.m.

Knee ligament injuries in immature athletes
Franck CHOTEL
Sept. 22, 2017 · 7:48 a.m.

Osteochondral lesions
Franck ACCADBLED
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:11 a.m.

The influence of athletic activities during growth on hip development
Rintje AGRICOLA
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:35 a.m.

INJURIES WITH THE ORTHOPEDISTS - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 22, 2017 · 8:54 a.m.

Back pain in young athletes
Liba SHEERAN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:34 a.m.

Injuries and illnesses amongst young elite athletes – so healthy it hurts?
Christine HOLM MOSEID
Sept. 22, 2017 · 9:57 a.m.

Long term sequelae of youth overuse injuries
Mark BATT
Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:19 a.m.

OVERUSE INJURIES - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:40 a.m.

Concussions in young athletes : myths and reality
Christopher NEWMAN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 10:52 a.m.

Screening for heart disease in sports – nonsense or necessary?
Matthias WILHELM
Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:16 a.m.

Energy deficiency in young athletes – prevalence, consequences and screening
Anna MELIN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 11:39 a.m.

Competitive Sport & Health: hidden issues
Gordon MATHESON
Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:04 p.m.

THE COMPLEX MEDICAL PROBLEMS - Q&A
Sept. 22, 2017 · 12:33 p.m.

Injury prevention in youth : What is learned in the cradle is carried in the tomb ?
Evert VERHAGEN
Sept. 22, 2017 · 1:46 p.m.

Injury prevention programs : The 11+ Kids Project
Mario BIZZINI
Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:12 p.m.

Sports specialized training: what are the true effects and is it really all bad ?
Neeru JAYANTHI
Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:29 p.m.

What is “load” and how does it impact athletes’s risk of injury ?
Torbjorn SOLIGARD
Sept. 22, 2017 · 2:49 p.m.

Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management
Joseph Janoski
Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:47 p.m.

Instituting a unique public health approach to ACL injury risk management - Q&A
Joseph Janoski
Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:54 p.m.

Parents’ Knowledge of Sport Psychology and Nutrition
Dr Camilla J. Knight
Sept. 22, 2017 · 3:57 p.m.

Injuries and injury risk factors in youth alpine ski racing: A two-season prospective study
Lisa, Müller
Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:09 p.m.

FREE COMMUNICATION AND BEST ABSTRACT PRESENTATION - Q&A
Panel
Sept. 22, 2017 · 4:21 p.m.

Closing Address
Frederic Koehn, President Young Athletes Forum Foundation
Sept. 22, 2017 · 6:04 p.m.