Embed code
ah so what they're saying that you know about that data to aspect you're right yeah
now what i want access to uh i like
a lot of order quantities at all but then a lot of generated not one
so do you have a comment on that i i bet you know to be like
okay operating bases yeah so first of all i it's not two different things
i think it's one and the same so uh the put usability open zions opponents as this is set all facets of the same issue
now i have sort of an extreme position or open access uh i think open access journals with
to be open it goes like this i think the way to go in the future but that's more proposal come and i think
uh certainly my institution is is is looking into that saying look we have these people that was it was
and now we have them all cause disciplines
it's it's becoming technically extremely easy to implement overlays on top of these where we
can be the code can be exchange and it that can be made
that does not exist in the uh the uh the traditional publishing
yeah but i think we have to do that ourselves this
this open platforms marvel what's called the of all the archive
overlays so you can you can create just the uh
i think it completely digital drum oh on top of the archive
of oppose it during and organise online you with that
so i think we're slowly moving to situation where a journal would be just that
what it was before by the way a community of people which is she yeah
interest in one particular field of science and would just collectively the quality control
the papers are are there uh the job of would just become so i'm going to use to the extreme
what's we would become something like feasible group if you wish people would just together make the quality control
and if your part of this with the control but for you right at the moment due the
fact that you do research and it would still use it that's up to you as
clear absolutely no influence whatsoever enough to to give you a lot sometimes are
jobless and nice letter saying thanks for reviewing seven people it's you
but for most of the times the review you receive all five miles nobody does these people this is push it
but like reviews on never published and some journals refuse that you probably do the how many them
together people rejected or even except they somebody views which would just very very low quality
yeah there you go up there with the paper imagine there's a paper that's confused by tree persons would just why two lines
and two of them just say oh you know the downside newspapers with not good would you trust that he
but right now we don't have to say
okay so i think all these problems open access opens and open the that i think we have
to bundle them all together into a new way of actually also putting research on that
i have a question regarding your comment on archive that because i i like archive i'm using it but increasingly when i'm
i'm reviewing papers i have papers that have hop citations that
affirm archive the quality is extremely difficult to judge
'cause quite often like i see also when i refuse papers in the review often the office just put it on market because
they don't want to wait for publishing it in general so sometimes it's really poor quality so it's very hard to judge
how how should we deal with that because that currently there's no mechanism to say like okay this is like
archive plus or something that passed the community purity that that's so that's what i'm
saying so ah chi but the very very minimalistic uh a quality control if
you try to read your book complete bullshit remote make it from but if you you know if you folded paper uh it would be easy to pass
he's just a positive i'm saying is that they already exist it would not be difficult to
implement fully layers on top of archive so that we can do that with the control
a link to august by the way in physics is he most cited journal if you wish
but i i agree sort of possibly so you don't know if the papers been cited that is being viewed
uh all the claims okay but if you have these quality control over example archive
then you can just sites the what the quickly controlled version of it
and there there are other problems with like often p. review it's double blind
but now people put the papers whatever they submit to conference they also put an archive actually when when you look with them
piece of text to check whether the same content has existed you actually get the
or says yeah and that and and and in fact it's allowed right
if you publish a nice yeah well they have a specific close the fairly well you know it's double bind bought you can put your paper market
which basically says you know what we don't know what to do uh it has to be an archive but we have these parties is that about
clearly see that there's something wrong with the we will make you know i think there are many many problems
with but maybe one more question and then i think we can go to the next stuff yeah
thank you for the top uh we just said we should try to be open that the uh how to protect
the what is the policy about the you know about copyright or
your you mentioned the young researcher who have a problem too
to be a open because uh because it's difficult it takes
time it so uh so what would you recommend to
so there's two things so uh i think it's important to realise that it's it's difficult
time consuming and open i have a friend good friend with a software engineer
so so funny and he says you have to say that um if you if you
built coat such that even you dudes use it then it deals with use it
and what i want to be it's what he means by that that if if i if i if i want to say just now right
everybody every of my p. h. d. student asked to publish code which is completely re usable
it would take them half of their p. h. d. t. this just to document the cool make sure that we
can be complied over mac i mean look at the fifteen minutes which is spent looking of computers yeah right
it it's very very difficult to the first also to your questions one uh on my slide by
by uh i put for them the way the fact that institutions must implement the boards
if you go let it alone as a young researcher this is still now the very very dangerous and see the power
of because you will not be just right now you will not be just by the quality of the openness
so this probably just the people that we have to open up the mentality but the institutions of together or otherwise is just you you know
when we uh what what was the shakespeare saying once once more into the open trenches my friend
but the one the first yourself the what's the cannons it's not it's not a good started
the second thing is copyrights that's the that's also good question yeah feels where
people wanna share they that because it's time consuming to to to make them uh and
whenever somebody uses that they that they want to have that the name one
i think we we are already moving in an in an interesting direction
where that they that's set that they've got themselves last cycle
and so the amount of work that you have long hair in the data for just even right in
the paper about preparing the data putting it in such a form of us can use it
actually is something that other researchers can sites and you can be rewarded for that you spent same thing for cool
if you have freedom to the noise re usable piece of code even if it's not part of the people with a lot of the community are using
then that could should be sent the board and the the hours uh that you the the work that you put it should actually be rewarded for that
ah that's the difficulty well you know i. p. um what if then it goes into the
industry that's the tricky one which i don't have movie also because i'm not especially
i think this is something we can probably also so

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Welcome
Sébastien Marcel, Senior Researcher, IDIAP, Director of the Swiss Center for Biometrics Research and Testing
24 mars 2017 · 9:17 matin
Keynote - Reproducibility and Open Science @ EPFL
Pierre Vandergheynst, EPFL VP for Education
24 mars 2017 · 9:20 matin
Q&A: Keynote - Reproducibility and Open Science @ EPFL
Pierre Vandergheynst, EPFL VP for Education
24 mars 2017 · 9:54 matin
VISCERAL and Evaluation-as-a-Service
Henning Müller, prof. HES-SO Valais-Wallis (unité e-health)
24 mars 2017 · 11:35 matin
Q&A - VISCERAL and Evaluation-as-a-Service
Henning Müller, prof. HES-SO Valais-Wallis (unité e-health)
24 mars 2017 · 12:07 après-midi

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