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yeah
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ah so what they're saying that you know about that data to aspect you're right yeah
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now what i want access to uh i like
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a lot of order quantities at all but then a lot of generated not one
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so do you have a comment on that i i bet you know to be like
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okay operating bases yeah so first of all i it's not two different things
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i think it's one and the same so uh the put usability open zions opponents as this is set all facets of the same issue
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now i have sort of an extreme position or open access uh i think open access journals with
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to be open it goes like this i think the way to go in the future but that's more proposal come and i think
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uh certainly my institution is is is looking into that saying look we have these people that was it was
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and now we have them all cause disciplines
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it's it's becoming technically extremely easy to implement overlays on top of these where we
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can be the code can be exchange and it that can be made
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that does not exist in the uh the uh the traditional publishing
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yeah but i think we have to do that ourselves this
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this open platforms marvel what's called the of all the archive
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overlays so you can you can create just the uh
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i think it completely digital drum oh on top of the archive
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of oppose it during and organise online you with that
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so i think we're slowly moving to situation where a journal would be just that
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what it was before by the way a community of people which is she yeah
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interest in one particular field of science and would just collectively the quality control
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the papers are are there uh the job of would just become so i'm going to use to the extreme
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what's we would become something like feasible group if you wish people would just together make the quality control
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and if your part of this with the control but for you right at the moment due the
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fact that you do research and it would still use it that's up to you as
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clear absolutely no influence whatsoever enough to to give you a lot sometimes are
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jobless and nice letter saying thanks for reviewing seven people it's you
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but for most of the times the review you receive all five miles nobody does these people this is push it
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but like reviews on never published and some journals refuse that you probably do the how many them
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together people rejected or even except they somebody views which would just very very low quality
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yeah there you go up there with the paper imagine there's a paper that's confused by tree persons would just why two lines
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and two of them just say oh you know the downside newspapers with not good would you trust that he
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but right now we don't have to say
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okay so i think all these problems open access opens and open the that i think we have
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to bundle them all together into a new way of actually also putting research on that
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i have a question regarding your comment on archive that because i i like archive i'm using it but increasingly when i'm
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i'm reviewing papers i have papers that have hop citations that
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affirm archive the quality is extremely difficult to judge
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'cause quite often like i see also when i refuse papers in the review often the office just put it on market because
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they don't want to wait for publishing it in general so sometimes it's really poor quality so it's very hard to judge
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how how should we deal with that because that currently there's no mechanism to say like okay this is like
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archive plus or something that passed the community purity that that's so that's what i'm
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saying so ah chi but the very very minimalistic uh a quality control if
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you try to read your book complete bullshit remote make it from but if you you know if you folded paper uh it would be easy to pass
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he's just a positive i'm saying is that they already exist it would not be difficult to
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implement fully layers on top of archive so that we can do that with the control
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a link to august by the way in physics is he most cited journal if you wish
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but i i agree sort of possibly so you don't know if the papers been cited that is being viewed
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uh all the claims okay but if you have these quality control over example archive
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then you can just sites the what the quickly controlled version of it
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and there there are other problems with like often p. review it's double blind
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but now people put the papers whatever they submit to conference they also put an archive actually when when you look with them
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piece of text to check whether the same content has existed you actually get the
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or says yeah and that and and and in fact it's allowed right
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if you publish a nice yeah well they have a specific close the fairly well you know it's double bind bought you can put your paper market
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which basically says you know what we don't know what to do uh it has to be an archive but we have these parties is that about
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clearly see that there's something wrong with the we will make you know i think there are many many problems
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with but maybe one more question and then i think we can go to the next stuff yeah
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thank you for the top uh we just said we should try to be open that the uh how to protect
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the what is the policy about the you know about copyright or
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your you mentioned the young researcher who have a problem too
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to be a open because uh because it's difficult it takes
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time it so uh so what would you recommend to
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so there's two things so uh i think it's important to realise that it's it's difficult
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time consuming and open i have a friend good friend with a software engineer
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so so funny and he says you have to say that um if you if you
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built coat such that even you dudes use it then it deals with use it
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right
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and
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and what i want to be it's what he means by that that if if i if i if i want to say just now right
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everybody every of my p. h. d. student asked to publish code which is completely re usable
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it would take them half of their p. h. d. t. this just to document the cool make sure that we
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can be complied over mac i mean look at the fifteen minutes which is spent looking of computers yeah right
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it it's very very difficult to the first also to your questions one uh on my slide by
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by uh i put for them the way the fact that institutions must implement the boards
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if you go let it alone as a young researcher this is still now the very very dangerous and see the power
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of because you will not be just right now you will not be just by the quality of the openness
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so this probably just the people that we have to open up the mentality but the institutions of together or otherwise is just you you know
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when we uh what what was the shakespeare saying once once more into the open trenches my friend
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but the one the first yourself the what's the cannons it's not it's not a good started
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the second thing is copyrights that's the that's also good question yeah feels where
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people wanna share they that because it's time consuming to to to make them uh and
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whenever somebody uses that they that they want to have that the name one
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i think we we are already moving in an in an interesting direction
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where that they that's set that they've got themselves last cycle
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and so the amount of work that you have long hair in the data for just even right in
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the paper about preparing the data putting it in such a form of us can use it
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actually is something that other researchers can sites and you can be rewarded for that you spent same thing for cool
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if you have freedom to the noise re usable piece of code even if it's not part of the people with a lot of the community are using
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then that could should be sent the board and the the hours uh that you the the work that you put it should actually be rewarded for that
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ah that's the difficulty well you know i. p. um what if then it goes into the
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industry that's the tricky one which i don't have movie also because i'm not especially
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i think this is something we can probably also so

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