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extent to which technology can and should go in improving
performance and ability for for if humans athletes all sorts at all levels um we've but
we've got a very interesting eclectic mix of people to come and talk
shows about this i'd like to introduce them a straight away
first of all lights in judgement colours canto about answers they had a metropolitan area i
moreover off off off
so i have a actually i said what she was doing the whole than it did before we
started i guarantee you a rather welcome as well thanks all of you for joining us
as i've been saying to all the uh panelists almost all the old one minute
um pitch i never knew it doesn't well the web pitch off just the
startup pitch if yesterday but at tell me colours what your doing this tool
where you fifteen saw what i'm doing here it's a service and uh
the most primitive way in which we can probably modifier cells in terms of an transom performance which is through attrition
training so to try to debate with you and with my colleagues here on how can we just
improve our performance by some vision what the limits of nutrition what's the limits of segmentation
what can be called hoping really how effective it is versus technology improvements and uh and just
to see how will be the future steps in this uh in all these areas
it should it just even describe nutrition as the most primitive when we think of the
extend to the advances that we see the nutrition over the years protect very much for that um plus all um what do you fit in
so i'm actually working as a medical doctor primarily some more interested in where we have
the issues related to sports break this and where to set the limit between uh
a potential uh let's say these bands or uh
like muscle balance or uh uh so one between the uh
that could enhance performance or potentially lead to injuries
or sometimes lead people to have some build being uh
uh i choose so clearly that will touch or move into
the that ethical yeah slightly invisible line which uh we'll
think perhaps should be clear than it is if they're awake uh or move more what do you do
simon sports and with to have anything centre of health and performance
i share similarities response now um i think in our job it's more
to have that shoe sole quiz that people and just understand okay make an educated then to went there
what's your limits what do you want an okay then we make it come and decision right
okay becoming coming to again to find that common decision no wrong you've
got a a different proposition to trojans really so tell us
a bit about psi blast on what it is and how it
works cited slowness or competition for people with their disability
they're using the latest festive technologies to solve everyday tossed
and this is very important in this setting so these are not athletes using uh this technology these are really
people of everyday life with different disabilities so we wanna give there
their teams developing this if if if technology a platform to showcase their technology we wanna
also gifted the pilots as we call the users hurt the possibilities to
to use the technology and showcase them together with the team every band
and we want to raise awareness uh with this competition with this apparent
for for the challenges that people with disabilities face in everyday life
okay i think we have a video to give you wore a
clear illustration of what side last one is about um like
a bit more pros that a that's pretty um inspirational stuff like
you actually don't like to talk about this is all so i mean everything about it feels like a
sporting arena or sporting event it's it's about the competition
which drives the the interest in the technology
exactly so there for the pilots as we call them that participate or not not necessarily athletes
these are people of everyday life that uh uh wanna use this technology uh in
future also in their normal daily life but also not only the competition
so we distinguish a little bit between sports that it's maybe more than daily life
and uh our competition yeah all will will come on to how that fits in to the the rest of the world at the moment
but i saw me looking at that just intriguing stuff isn't it very powerful messages about
what can be done in terms of recording it and design the bodies yet
i you do with all sorts i mean athletes pulsar
every regular joes and their desire to enhance
their own of physical state of well being how how far can go do you think
well actually um that's a hard question that the first thing i would like to mention that bases that
it really actually even if you don't feel like it would be if looks like what we do when every
day clinical routine because i think that's ports may be
seen as we discussed previously um you could
you could tell about it as um what you can draw for from
formula one to your own car in every day i think
um except uh apart from the side that and uh
and that competition that i don't have control uh we
would even want to transfer what comes from athletes
training or optimisation or how big do in their training
two sports many scene and even sometimes just for seed in theory people
notice improve their physical ability so that really looks for disabled people
as what we do in sports mating everyday we just try to become
the best from sports science and see how to apply it in
every day every day life and mister mister x. or y.
yeah who has a specific goal of said there make it suitable standard knowledge transfer in a way
that you you have from from the the peaks of the beholder translation of there's opportunities
um so wrong when you when you walk looking at the competitions and you're
saying how much advances made huge thanks to the profile the competitions get
is there any extent to which you you think it's going to fall in terms of double because one
of the things about at a heightened disabilities is the range the rangers massive isn't it so
perhaps in other at other fields on the schools they're not gonna cover that range but they could help you
to build to that to what extent how far did you get so so at the
moment we don't think that that did not achieve as good that you can go
uh beyond activities of daily life so it so that you or rather than with the
their body without disabilities and what you also mention is the the range of
the people with disabilities and this is very important in our competition
as we have a lot of technology in it we can define their inclusion
criteria bits it's broader so it's not like parallel picks where it's really
uh so that the levels are really this thing so we can thanks to the use of the
technology but we can make it big brother for example if you are using the wheelchair
and they're driving it would it be the joystick ye it's not necessarily that uh
but the paraplegic has more at one th oh
advantage over the caterpillar cheek but for example
but still there that we have to deal with these with these rules as well
and it's also important that there to the teams work together with with the pilots already during
the development of these technologies because the ranges over also you might test your device it
one person and then the other person that's that slightly different air impairment and so uh
it's a different device that you have to develop so it's very important for you you mentioned our little
picks the and what we don't have a representative of the of the pearly gates on the panel
one of the great features all the parent big games in london for the twelve was the when which was broadcast
was by channel four so it was in the b. b. c. production but it was a super uh
um platform and it was promoting super humans
uh and that they want people with disabilities these were the on truman given the range
of what they're able to do and that would make if we go back to
okay i'll skip the story says i suppose the benchmark the people tended to refer to a that would be a good starting point
how far do you think is reasonable and wrecked to go in
technological advance for humans you want so still hold themselves athletes
i think to draw the line is pretty difficult that's what's correct and what's not
i want to say is that those guys that suggests it is it's performance i mean what's about the other day
the thing like being able to open a better because you
the same efforts as mysterious making his protests is
to be able to to read because all of the people don't think and most of the people what they don't
realised that's to the end also actually run or control days
what the pattern if you know what a control and your brain that has to connect
with your method to be able to retrain is a huge amount of training hours
so in that sense the doing the limit how should we replace
my hands on i raced on my shoulder to be able to swallow faster
right which is go faster higher each other and and then picked values
it is very hard to draw the line you know that to say it is to enhance performance that was
out people to have a goal and to be able to says think into the they they live
within physical activity to be able to perform in different level from opening a better to so
and so bad it's it's identical super human uh superiors so i think the correct is
and a lot of factors that we should really consider into what's cheating what's the boundaries what do we want
it's it's hard to say this is great this is not it's that whole context that
it's touching it does have acting nutrition hazards everything that f. e. consents
fidelity to if i stepped up here the discussion could extend that
to normal performance of olympics uh invalid became so if you think
about it one of the major changes for example in streaming
when it comes to improving the marks was the creation of low friction bodies it's
which of course are the this catapult that a a drop in the marks of all the customers and the competition
oh it's in thinking about the apply for example to cycling art in a number of years for example
if you think about the late late seventies in one hour at the max could run forty nine kilometres
chris mormon set record at fifty six when they ask him to the same with the
same bike that inner city twentieth years ago you could only do ten more years
that i do most of the time so i think that that's a key point that when we compare for example human performance really begins
how long we wanted all you know not to transform into technological thing is
that involve you mean you've already proved that it is already corrupted
in fact 'cause technology didn't start yes then we'll start towards being with
us forever and so you can never really make fact comparisons
and i think that's really interesting because then you have to
wonder why you should never stop technology advancing about soul
is there ever point which you can't allow humans to
use technology to further enhance that performance these days
well actually i think maybe the answer might be within the athletes mine
finally because i been working with a few foreign weeks and uh
when you talk with them they just will not be treated like
real athletes and just be treated like berlin pixels super humans
so maybe just the e. answer is just asking them do you feel
that this kind of technology just gives you an unfair advantage uh
for your compete for your competition partners or even i'm big on him
able bodied people so because if you just focus on
technology you you just cannot have a proper answer
well like you also mention about what was same gallows
ah it is very difficult to draw a line that because i have
recently been speaking with the number now which is which was
a no on antiques women when the olympics in become if it
was just at at the time of those wait shoots
it was one of the e. brought the well we go on with the way too it's uh it's
been a cancelled after one day when they said the this was not a a load anymore
and you really easy that he was still improving its performance
um with within the trainee without which it so
very difficult to find a rival to find what is the real
advantage of technology okay let me also maybe the final
first will still be the first it's just at at a different level yeah let me ask you this
than um roger bannister and that little clip we had from from yeah there's bits allow this
roger bannister said in his comments really isn't there to did you said there
was a point which the mines took over the body now full full
most of us normal for the body takes over the mine doesn't it says i give
up you can't do it anymore for him it was the other way around
you refer to brain draping for example as in housing your performance capacity to
start with a little bit about it and whether you think that is
fair we're not in a sporting context well these question the seal
who a matter of debate within the scientific community because it
just the the first or second year that uh we've been here hearing about that
it comes from us that works yes comes from research that has that uses some specific electrodes to
a depressed or increase the complex except exceed ability and
just improve the neural drive to your muscle
and there is the white solar scientific evidence that showing that exist size starts
in the brain and probably partially anything the brain and you if you
manage to have an upper threshold about that you can improve your performance
so was there is even that actually now
an american company selling some legal electrodes
and that will improve your on your drive and the all muscle performance
it's not really a easy to if if if
it really gives and we'll advantage because
it's been a mainly shown on very analytic movements
and will not sure that when you're running and very um more complex uh
action it really gives you an advantage that the there is some
and thinking that sims site please the or to
affix use that within the on that now
but that is not religious it's not refer to brain training or
brain nutrition is referred to as brain taping yet so the
ways that there's it's been the arguments being sort of tilted one will the other revenue from what you hear of that
is that going too far to think in terms of what a excellent does a designer athlete shouldn't
be that if we're if it so that's okay of preference yeah nice this morning instead
when the technology we well we overpass the yeah right and i think it's
just not only about being an x. eight or not is just being again and waited to you transfer the line into
when it is our buddy who defines it as as a young man out ladies our brain and i thing
when is changing your own brain connection and that's about for everyone here to ask the question
how much of humanity do we lose a do we gain by
using technology and by using this technology how much does it
take us out of the passion lies or does it enhance the performance in our the beginning like
the the um that's one yesterday raising his act like for the contest has pitifully
say okay we can enhance going out to making other people in shadow move
yes but how much then moving fleas you buy the connecting to an application how much
doesn't make you anyway so i think it's the exact same question about how athlete
still gonna be how much during the line we don't know it's still a person has something that
you have to choose about how much you want to put in except somewhere down the
line sport has to choose or all the news uh perceive that that's oneself yeah like i
just put out computer second colours i wanted to touch on nutrition as well but
wrote your listening to this debate are usually thinking i couldn't care less because it is going to win hearts
what we would call performance someone in your neck of the woods is going to benefit from that
can you get it uh yes i i wonder if we're talking about the ethics
it for for athletes something's board i wonder if y'all so perception is
i don't really care about those ethics because i know who but
these elements will it haunts some of the people that i represent it's about
yeah exactly what what we care more about is is the safety and health audience
when you when you can can gifted people an opportunity to use the technology and
as long as it is safe and uh i'll see not only for the
for the people using it are also the people around a round to the users and we're you're totally phone
again there that people with disabilities they don't have to use the technology in the end so they
are free to choose not everyone wants to have a robotic prestigious of course yeah so uh
so we're actually five fine with that yeah if it works that colour see you again you said at the beginning of the most primitive
sort of the technology nutrition i think i'm a development suggest that's not
necessarily the case it will you tell me about mouth rinsing
as one example of how we're still learning about the way in which nutrition can be used
in association with the brain but tell tell us what my friends it is and whether you think it's
perfectly legitimate so right so uh i will defend or not that's perfectly justified in this case
but uh i think it's it's a good example of how sometimes just the immediate research an intrusion can be later applied
in the in that we not technologically some of anything it's just that comes from the finding
that that people doing short bursts of sport thirty minutes for example actually just by
raising the amount of carbohydrate than just putting it out that that was in often has the performance
until then people thought that this carbohydrates are going to the muscles actually doing the job
but in fact it was the brain which it is what exactly what some was saying before so then is when it makes sense for
example to the plot a technology that might actually the exactly the same
that this carbohydrates just improve or even more directed more efficiently
and here's one of the thing what's the limit over the are we facing
a second round of the limits that eventually face with nutrition or building
so for example to put it in a really simple way uh i guess a question that are going to
ask anybody here in the audience is uh i don't know how many copies have you taken this morning
but if you have taken a couple or three coffees what you've
would test positive for dropping in any competitions like cycling competitions
so is this truly building just a normal activity like taking coffee just all what we set the limit
and when it goes now to for example develop and all of a
beat a a performance accessories like it can be sued for example
or or just uh for example stimulation of certain parts of the body to improve the performance what
we said that the the other thing is likely line that we can set these these uh
i would say the mindset of the beast have always been to preserve human performance
in the absence of contamination from authors or uh or emerges from the outside
but here i think will face a another i would say a new era the terms of discussion what's the limit
can can i just ask actually maybe for show of hands who
here believes that issues of taping in uh elite sports
are really important that it really matters to know where the line on taping stands
and who here okay okay and who here thinks that actually these days maybe taping doesn't matter
maybe it should be a free for all got up one one hand over here and i realise that it
was our one hand david you know and maybe who thinks it's some really important question in showbiz
in in showbiz showbiz who cares if any i think
there was a very famous i'm taking cocaine
who thinks croquet that's a bad thing for us for saying this to take or athletes
no one performance up in house together all the different uh um uh style
the normal okay their view on that one way or the other
but i raise the point bernie gonna in a sense it does come back to your school of thought about
yeah technology is moving so fast that in so
many directions it he's almost impossible to police
correctly accurately and and to stay on the line so is that perhaps as a
a field sporting field which says right that anything off limits is fine
it's um i don't really know i don't think there is any place weights actually find it
so hard to have question but i think it's interesting to the maybe thinking of
trying guidelines and two words our sports federation uh in again to commit easily
than in the states just to say okay i do we accept as
being a good minutes oh unacceptable really mean that's with that we that is the time it will change obviously so
that's to so uh i would be like the point on for example people that the fan hoping could
should be allowed then that we should not but then it's it's hard we play the feel even
uh for all the athletes and how what's the for competition or not i think of course with the most
the in famous case and the recent history might be than sense from the france uh where it
he seemed a little sorry sophisticated uh it's it's implementation strategy
and uh so you know way that the team over
powers completely all other competitors every single here
is the for competition for all the other teams that probably cannot afford such sophisticated technology
of buttons or dropping programs and i think use when when we have to think
on what we set the limit really on on how much we
accept the incorporation of technology into the sport at what pace
okay we've got a few minutes left um breaking to get you involved as far
as we can who would like to obstruct question um we have a
mike mike miller from the well the libyans association back to mike morning um right so
sports our rules some respect rules i'm talking about
the soccer ball it's like questions the pros
take a hamster right hamstring injury you can have it surgically worker that's okay
what if you could buy a superior hamster
which worked enhance your performance and you can have a surgical part
is that okay so is it okay you can have operations or
because it also okay for one which is hamstring two point oh
that's off the doctor for the now actually that's an
interesting question because well thinking about that not in term of
surgery but we actually currently e. c. that hand
um the vast latch majority of athletes do
drop were a hamstring injury prevention and
they still have injuries they just train harder so i think they will just
hi i'm believe it if they have surgery to prevent
hamstring injury well sure the performance will improve
the leave it might be the healthy she uh it's very hard to define because the health issue
is not today or tomorrow might be well for hamstring it can be quite quite but
but we're talking about building i've been ten years twenty years of that's a very
hard question to set the limit but regarding the injury rate i think
there's just new performance or new way of playing or running and it's still occurs
unfortunate that that's the doctors also that is isn't it what about
the principle of that but when you think that that
is by all yeah i'm sort of thing isn't it yeah we already is light to give out for heart oh
some ten then fine needs which on that our is that it's enhance
after surgery does it do you go better after your surgery
for example when you have a nice yeah torn you change it within
your one hamstring or some as i mean other than uh
do you bet if f. unless you have fifty percent of people they were fifty percent people they want
is just throwing a kind so if you take in your hands thing of someone that has being
really fast whatever that has very injury you will still have at
the same do we still have to connect with your brain
and i checked it maybe it will maybe it with in that it's very hard
to predict i think it's more but production and i'll carry them on
what's the tenth of the t. c. with his but but sure what should be allowed
it's well how it works or not that is the point yeah well i think it's hard to to say i don't know
i really don't know it's a lot when you get an injury it's that easy that's in
the way of that thought that's i think it's a good question i don't know
this site is the therapeutic use exemption almost isn't it the
t. wheeze come into play animal so technological way
they're all i was saying i mean if you look at the at the proportion of sportsman that asthmatic you would be amazed
so you you cynically uh okay uh i dunno questions yes that chap in the middle thank you
uh hi i'm that's karma also from one it was a question about
the genetic you know that we can change the genetics though
so oh well this should work
it's and i think if i may and because that's one of the thing at thirteen the answers
they have now research at that um they call it the jane
doe place to better a yellow um myself what it
is and and and the fibres to build have most one five is to be able to live stronger and
i think that this is the next generation and i think we will
come very close they already doing and mouses so i think
this is a good question and i find my sense it's chance human that's when change
and why not i think it's maybe it can be maybe less harmful than
that's the methods that are at the end of the day it's your attitude which is yeah as
this is the race is is that's what you get when if it's the
girl it's to win the competition and that's gonna make is living lynette
it doesn't harm your health sort of or another on that point uh i think we're
a bit far yet from what we call that the modification to that's performance
yeah what we can do nowadays and that can be totally doable is that
we we can understand genetic variations that might allow you to for example
better have a better output when it comes to certain supplement patience in terms of uh
for example convince implementation severance implementation we know that certainly doesn't respond better or worse
uh just depending on the genetics and that it's something that nowadays we can utilise and improve performance based on that that's all
yep sure that you shall i only we we have recent research showing that
some specific field types will have a good dancer to caffeine or
uh and some that don't so we can imagine we
might do that for any any carbohydrate or any type
of training to better personalised rainy so these cannon
be seen as a rio a dopey now we need the
the issue might be if you try to change that
but you like very except that might be like train cologne because
maybe that would be worse but says that this is the real challenge yeah the goal posts
move every minutes now but just once a year what it all moving all the time
it if there's another question we're very happy take with just about could squeeze it in with a if there is one
you're gonna be timed out no okay we'll we'll stop that 'cause we're just about up on the clock we're running slightly behind
what again we're just getting carrying on something that would never end is a topic of
conversation thank you very much indeed all four of you ladies and gentleman our panel

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Conference program

Welcome Words by David Eades
David Eades
15 May 2018 · 9:06 a.m.
Welcome Words by Philippe Leuba
Phillipe Leuba, Chef du Département de l'Economie et du Sport
15 May 2018 · 9:08 a.m.
Welcome Words by Grégoire Junod
Grégoire Junod
15 May 2018 · 9:13 a.m.
Welcome Words by Benoit Mariani
Benoit Mariani
15 May 2018 · 9:15 a.m.
Hacking the Future
Andy Walshe
15 May 2018 · 9:25 a.m.
Talkback Session: Smart Venues, Moderated by David Eades
Daniel Marion, John Rhodes, Claire Lewis
15 May 2018 · 10:18 a.m.
Talkback Session: Wearables and Data, Moderated by David Eades
Terho Lahtinen, Jean-Christophe Longchampt, Christophe Ramstein, Patrick Schoettker
15 May 2018 · 11:04 a.m.
Talkback Session: Fans and Data, Moderated by Rebecca Hopkins
Horesh Ben Shitrit, Pete Burns, David Lampitt, Clemens Schnellert
15 May 2018 · 11:46 a.m.
Interviews, Moderated by David Eades
Stéphane Guerry, Joey Tan, Olivier Glauser, Albert Mundet
15 May 2018 · 1:45 p.m.
Talkback Session: Machine Learning and AI, Moderated by Jay Stuart
Nicolas Chapart, Nicolas Déal, Johan Vounckx, Mehrsan Javan
15 May 2018 · 2:37 p.m.
Jochen Färber
15 May 2018 · 3:14 p.m.
Talkback Session: NextGen Video & Engagement, Moderated by Nicolas Henchoz
Christoph Heimes, Spencer Nolan, Pedro Presa, Alexandra Willis
15 May 2018 · 3:30 p.m.
Interview on Security
Earl Crane
15 May 2018 · 4:08 p.m.
Talkback Session: Cyber security and Digital Security, Moderated by Sébastien Kulling
Dang Duy, Thomas Shorrock, Jean-Pierre Hubaux, Simon Trudelle
15 May 2018 · 4:19 p.m.
Introduction of Day 2
David Eades
16 May 2018 · 9:35 a.m.
Social Business and Sport
Muhammad Yunus
16 May 2018 · 9:38 a.m.
Talkback Session: Designer Bodies - Yes or No? Moderated by David Eades
Roland Sigrist, Vincent Gremeaux, Carlos Canto Alvarez, Véronique Lugrin
16 May 2018 · 10:27 a.m.
Talkback Session: Designing for the Future, Moderated by Jay Stuart
Ali Russell, Emilio Risques, Véronique Michaud, Thilo Alex Brunner
16 May 2018 · 11:08 a.m.
Talkback Session: Protection through Innovation, Moderated by Mike Miller
Liam Mc Tiernan, Laurent Mekies, Eric Nauman, Martial Saugy, Mathieu Saubade
16 May 2018 · 12:04 p.m.
From Racing to the Road
Laurent Mekies
16 May 2018 · 1:32 p.m.
Talkback Session: Understanding the eSports Ecosystem, Moderated by Jay Stuart
Brent Barry, Anna Baumann, Julien Delalande, Michael Journot, Carlos "ocelote" Rodriguez Santiago
16 May 2018 · 2:05 p.m.
Talkback Session: What's next in eSports? Moderated by Lars Stegelmann
Brett Abarbanel, Stefan Kuerten, Jan Pommer, Federico Winer
16 May 2018 · 3:05 p.m.
Closing Words
David Eades
16 May 2018 · 4:06 p.m.

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