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yeah
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huh huh firstly uh thank you uh
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marco and catherine if we are very interesting presentation on ah
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the global pasta global infrastructure how um
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i wanted to say that uh what i really like
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about this project is that it begins approaches
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allowing communities to an infrastructure which i think is very important
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and i spent a couple of use in london working for an engineering
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firm on sustainable infrastructure and we worked with private public partnerships
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i mean that prices learnt that often the private public partnerships with
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design to favour the investor was rather than the community
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and the question was well how can we we just this balance i
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think what you've done with your project is a step for it
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i'll have a couple questions to which i i the grateful if you might be able to
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to to to to to respond to firstly how i i think
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there's a definition of infrastructure which is perhaps not so clear
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because the scalability of instruction we talk about very large infrastructure projects very small
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localised infrastructure projects such as what you're doing in cali
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and i think it would be perhaps in terms when you speak of
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infrastructure to try differentiate the different types of instruction working with to
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basically a line people's thinking of infrastructure because as you were talking about earlier
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when your talking uh to invest just well you're talking finances it talking to communities
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the notion of infrastructures right different so it might be perhaps it as you develop the project you work out in looking
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at scaling the infrastructure in giving it a level so that
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people can understand that the scale of that much better
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uh yes yes wasn't quite clear was who actually other than the infrastructure that you were investing in
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or you actually uh uh measuring and that might be something also to to bring out uh
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who and finally who's also accountable for all the performance of that infrastructure i think ah um
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that's these actually measuring questions per se but because often the people we might deliver the
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infrastructure might not be the people accountable for because often you find a private public partnership supplied if uh
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the list the infrastructure but often is the government is accountable for the performance of the
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infrastructure through the local political system so you've also got a titanium to consideration
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um i i work with international standards organisation on developing standards i thought
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just on the standard you might want to consider using is i think the international
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standard risk management us so up i thirty seven thousand thirty one thousand
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is very very good tool but what it does is it teaches you first of all to define the context
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of you operation and the good thing is it's it's which is so once you begin to let's say to find it in terms of
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the city you can then take it down to a segment of
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the city take it down to a particular implicit infrastructure project
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which basically makes it much more transparent so you can see with things uh can be built up all broken down
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uh and you might also look into to uh the standard thirty seven one twenty which is
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a standard that came out recently around sustainable communities and quality of life
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when you know that one yeah and that's a useful thing
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uh i'll to secure is um if you focus i think from the examples was around um
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developing countries in infrastructure which i think is a very strong market
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for what you doing also situation so in the european union
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uh we have this idea of libellous in markets
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are basically making infrastructure competitive so the utilities
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prioritised route ways of private sized
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and this competition um these off into situations where the user can
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stuff uh for instance in the u. k. where i live
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we have a very extensive privatisation of roadways and this is uh
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reducing rule in your directive would europe that all utilities or well
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ways all ports eventually have to the product i just
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but the down side of that is that uh the u. k. well oh passages by the law just uh
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these in terms of tickets in the country in in in europe so obscures you how you can
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consider this model for politically european context because they don't mind for infrastructure is
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only gonna grow in the develop well because we soul with donald trump
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and his idea that he's going to spend a lot on the infrastructure indeed was
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the figure was quoted a test if you actually three point two trillion dollars
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on infrastructure in the u. s. and that exclude she's twenty five billion for next can all on that
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there is going to be a lot of need for what you doing not just in
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the developing countries but also developed countries and politically worked with local communities because
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what you do find ease when you i think the structure developer telling
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him often dividing little communities so how do we build up
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this notion of community speaking in one voice when there's infrastructure process
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um and that's all i just wanted to to say all on that i think it's
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wonderful concept and ah welcome it and i think there's a lot of potential
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appear i'm conceptual as your project i again i think it's it's been concept um
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one of the things that struck me though was
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if we remember joss keeling in nineteen fifty five it
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came up any started measuring carbon dioxide in why
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and they got lately i stage release in nineteen sixty three that
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there was perhaps a concept of a greenhouse gas emission issue
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it took on to the nineteen nineties for really to become and issues in gauge the place
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and that by the year two thousand and fifteen we finally have some form of
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agreement around it and i was wondering the question ask us how can we
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deal with your project in the face agency of the now
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to ensure all that what you're doing and your findings
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are disseminating quite rapidly so people can engage it but also to find out how can be engaged effectively
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and i think part of it is looking at how you can use some form ajar management
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audio data to get it out to people who can influence
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and basically impact because we really don't have the beauty
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that advice column with traditional scientific studies in projects which was the validation every time
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and verified by various scientific bodies or situations before we go out there
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we we can't lose that's uh that's other questions i'll try that you ah
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oh
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i think isn't much role is very very good questions
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um no i actually we we started out with this t. i. b. grading l. format
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tool was developed for the p. p. p. context to exactly um and um
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yeah i get a better understanding of the risk balance between a private the pride in the public
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side for the what the sector and was financed by swiss government and uh as we three
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so this development was actually done for that situation and was it tested um
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to to balance uh responsibilities and risks for the public private site
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although to to decide what to protect them the public side no way
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that is where we stayed out actually to get that um information
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that wasn't a very into doesn't five i wasn't there yet but that was the basic
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that that's what we came came from and we think that's a very important um
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a space to introduce some kind of guidance
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on on the sustainability increasing inside
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um at the moment we also um again trying
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to work with uh and now they're organisations
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got cream and they again having and and and approach to look at p. p. piece
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um and she had the receiving and print procurement so that that the
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pride yeah so the pride is a little get together before
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the procurement starts actually to talk about the risk sharing so it is some
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somewhat that's where we come from in a way to uh to
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to have a better understanding of these problems you mentioned and p. b.
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p. um we also when we go around to we we also
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makes it is aware that p. p. p.s might not the best solution the best solution for them
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um in some cases we think it's not a good solution and um
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we also do capacity building in the sense with the cities we see decide
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um you so far we had and that's the second question who is the responsible accountable part
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um that mostly would me um all these and s. special purpose vehicle
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like that the body and actually runs uh the project
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and that would be one um that part in it but um
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if i think of the projects we if i'm done so far for the testing
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it is very maybe is make self off a soul the private side yeah
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that was starting a project uh with this with um context and
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um on the other hand we had you know ops innuendo situation
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that wanted to run the project with as through the tools
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to see where they stand with their sustainability assessments
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so we we have a broad range of of um
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brightness and to do assessments with an i.
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n. s. michael mentioned for example in a city like joe burke utterance break we could also
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help the c. t. the internal privatisation of projects
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um by by by giving them our tool to have a benchmark they could
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compare the projects they own projects to an each other what with
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their hasty performance with their in my mental socially governance performance
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so the the at different angles we come into um now to the project
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um you know we we looked at the ice i so and and
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standards and michael interest and development team they it would exactly know
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which numbers but i don't but we uh and i said we always want to join some working groups in the next picture
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um and i think i still i still um dialogue
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so our on on there and that level there's a dialogue between is different bodies but
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we'll that tried to take up a lot of the ice to work a um
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for the question and uh in developing countries and the european application our new wheels or think that
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the biggest need forest and it could be in developing countries and emerging markets and
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that such a huge a lack of finance at the moment with
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the estimation is that like seven to put the seventy percent of think destruction hasn't been
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built yet that might be needed in the future and uh that's the fifteen
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fifty and so they is a huge amount of infrastructure and a huge gap of investment
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i'm also by the lack of of the possibility of probably finding
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after financial crisis is not a choice we say oh
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um if if if if you would have to probably funny please use it
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but it's just not there so we always again in situations where
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they they're in the developing context and that there's a need for private funding and
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we try to find a way to to balance it to regulating away
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um for the european market it anew i
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is the air height question will the discussion get discussing with our
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part as me think it carried a lot at this investment bank from friends
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with me want to go to the european market and they think that day is
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and need all the finest is um to outsource it because the due diligence
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but we haven't tested it in the european market is that we have fifteen today but any you might get yet
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so i think this is an an open question absolutely how this will be taken up
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um and so will we we don't know about that at the moment and
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that's good i like that
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what is light is quickly the uh very quickly after speakers that
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thank you the uh i think it it there's always stimulating questions because it reminded me just
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to the virtual of this project is that it wasn't top down and think prizes and
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going to introduce three or four of cops a famously because it that's when we gave up
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on the notion of the top down agreement at the place for people back and
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uh it's a it's a open region of church or local governments locally and so forth
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at which level the readiness to act is infinitely high or larger and more advanced and
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if you look at brussels where she has been bit did hand off agree having to agree is terrible but
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it's even more trouble look at what national governments to to local initiative uh when the clues uh
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cities for climate change protection or for them a mediation
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uh was launched um sixty percent of the
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members of local governments were industry
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um what three hundred years
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why because they don't was it was a guest local government one to two so
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well i mean i remember at the seventies were doing soul architecture uh because of climate change because
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energy crisis but this was all swept aside not not because people weren't ready for what do it a
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lot because it it it left the national jen and so when he is the whole that
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we understand what the logo means of doing and then trying to
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even connect the actions to their own criteria but that's
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one thing we found an old english then we have national
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criteria sustainability that nobody's use that used to statistical part
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the measuring all kinds of things but when you go to local government or even a national problem in
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terms of this is to build the program the energy programs also transmit problems be using complete different
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criteria so even just for more reporting point of view reporting back to process speak
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it's important why is it important because the funding uh parties in process or painted
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stop and ask infrastructure visions centralise euro a big highways
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transcontinental uh electricity networks connecting
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ever harming nuclear power plants and and and and and coal fired power plants at backing up
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no and i mean division is crazy you clean energy union is
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just mad and so does the only thing that i'm
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grateful for uh in the praxis spectrum because it might wake up to your paying
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shake up to you and say look we are we a
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union of regions are union of um aligned local
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realities and whether renewable energy paired and we can actually make that work we don't need
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uh to maintain coal fired back up such a spectrum that's is currently taking
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place in german would pay qualified operators to maintain that thirty machines
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to justify the renewable energy transition produces stochastic must be
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backed up but we'll men's energy part of course
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but thank you very much for that inspires us to um
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reinforce our look at that spot in that context and asked us or
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yeah just to say that the fact that we are coming up with a room
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there you can find group on this project to each one of one one more effort
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to speed up the the fermentation of any possible project these kinds of eh um
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of uh situations of initiatives that we hope will not only once but uh they
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are definitely there to mark to as a multiplier effect us multiplier effect
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uh but i've of course are not enough to have too much more than others a pascal
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but the home thank you very much to catherine um are you and and peter for these
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uh two presentations that in a way i found more answering one to each other
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so you started with the question mario my i'm asking what you've thought could be in the
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same field of interest for architects and and and you know what you are doing
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you you suspected that you had some common grounds and um in some ways what peter has shown
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is showing a lot of common grounds but it's also in this way of showing some
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difference of approach but i think would be very interesting to do we could change because um if i i
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i'm going to give the point of view of the architects oh well i'm the i'm in this position i'm
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mainly looking at buildings even if i'm looking at the overall john environment and i'm also the guy was no money
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so he's not investing in anything so is looking at other criteria than the market driven
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um whole market oriented approach so the first question now would have for you would be too
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you are we laying as far as i understood maybe i didn't maybe i
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need to have more explanation but you're laying on the very um
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every assumption which is but the infrastructure is making the city
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which is in a lot of case true of course but not only
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there are things and some words what will pronounce by peter like a narratives
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the symbolic aspect and pictures that were shown was showing that but there are
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other aspect of the c. d. how people are dreaming of a
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city and what shapes and forms could be in history in references in
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somebody cool um fields um a useful to your studies too
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um because if you look at the um the images that were produced after your your your studies
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which i strongly believe absolutely necessary and uh producing it kind of uh of uh uh
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transparency on on problems and and and and cross disciplinary approach
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which is we're providing a good too for analysis
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you end up with the same images spend every c. d.'s and
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making you ending up with up quite often at the
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or a um the what what's the name him by the the group that the corridor between the
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the industrial corridor and they all look alike i mean the the tram why in in in cali
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e. i could give you sections of exactly the same thing in in other cities
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so that we need to have for the future other
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visions of of what is specific to a place
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and uh some pictures that appears a as shown are talking about that what is uh
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what is the um the specific solution but we need to find in this place
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so the question of narratives and the question of how you design the city but how you dream the
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c. d. is um i'm going to look sound like the dreamer in the on the ah
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uh among uh uh the the panel here but it is very very important how how could you
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i'm an alliance or uh make an assessment
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of uh of these uh dreams visions and that's uh would that would or enrich your your approach
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very much i don't know how to do it i just think that it's necessary absolutely
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okay yes thank you very much these are crucial questions that we
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sort of already talking to accounts now you make example
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of comedy from way your total replaceable in this
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uh crawford that's shown um what we did nothing to this particular case oh
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i have to start all the way we were looking for example was
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um where architects could relates to so this is why we came up with this
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whole idea of transit oriented development because we think this as a huge impact
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on this design off to c. t. um we have other examples without this is
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something that the audience could easily related to um now what we did
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and i fully agree with you um what we did in in in carly
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is um that was my starting point we really went out to
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streets i'm not me personally but um uh interview is and interviewed around
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the fountain people living around the corridor but also further away
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uh first before asking what got the strength in to see what are
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the weaknesses and how could the potential green cory tore a support
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um to to to to overcome barriers over regent and poor and so
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on and there we also have only took into account local traditions
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even festive also colour listed world capital of salsa so be incorporated
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this into the whole quarter bear the concept so um we
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don't see that that there is one silver bullet for infrastructure solution it
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has to be tailored to the local circumstances but this is
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totally clear i'm i'm not a hundred percent sure how to include
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that in the standard we can definitely look into that um
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so yeah i i i think i i that's wonderful idea
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but you know when we can mean with with the standard we can mean when the project is defined
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that's when when the standard is applied it's when infrastructure project has been defined we can can
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mean a yeah in the in the project cycle but to put it is there
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so that's why we see our more our point of interference to
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avoid the worst and developments to guide the project from the
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the best face it the p. visibility face to plan to consider
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social current economic development to consider stay calm engagement to consider
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t. h. c. wishes to consider resilience in the very first phase
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oh we can't get there before the product has been defined
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so this is our limitation but it but that's what we try to get this done up with the city with this probably sick the supplement to
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be able to have a dream wanted to uh but but for the standard itself that's when we get in
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i don't know if you have a solution uh well i i don't know i it would be great if you could influence that
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maybe through um a narrative scenarios
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telling even if the the question has already been uh asked by
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the the local government okay we want a transportation system
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maybe you could also influence them on other sites and uh and
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very often what happens for architects the rule often we well given that program
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and the very first question we ask is is that the right program
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and you switch it you put everything upside down it's something that people hating
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us for us for for this but it's it's in our duty
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we had three times in in the consultation process is we we had exactly that um
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question how do you uh incorporate the question of do we actually need that infrastructure
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so i'll how can we incorporate that when we have a stand that that actually is is rating infrastructure
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so this is a very hard to um room which i think was discussed at least for
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two three hours because we try to some incorporated it into an impossible five situation
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or try to do was than if i remember correctly that
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we try to place it in a stakeholder engagement process
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so that it is strongly incorporated there to ask actually doing
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it to integrate this take all this in the very
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early phase at least to ask is that the infrastructure you want well you don't want mostly to yeah yeah
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but just me i uh it's it's a bit of it 'cause you you in the business of uh assessing creating
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uh reading off the performance um that sustainable
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performance of of what is infrastructure project you have to have a
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new contract a a provision that you're able to completely
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condemned the project will say you don't need uh and uh uh you have to be able
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to do that otherwise you become captive act didn't it was over conflict of interest
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uh that that's because you're not and stuff and have a good from where as
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many also them try to become concerned i didn't fail that wouldn't be certified
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they say and there's a a level off of a play each criteria there is
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there's a level they have to actually pass or the other thing i
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think it's important to be uh involved as early in the process part yeah
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yeah that's what what we do we getting in in a in a
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previous really physically fit and the other thing is of course you we shouldn't get paid but
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people that know we don't we don't it's it's it tried to certified
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that's right yeah that's the basic of what we do is they we're not we're sent onus so maybe do explain explain this is done
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we only standard was set the rules and then as a third party message frank and they will fail
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so and this is our approach if the product does not apply
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i am
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yeah yeah that is that is the part that's the problem yeah but it's not if we we when we get in
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we only can assure that that infrastructure if it's built it will build
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it will be built in a certain way that it doesn't harm
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i'll a certain ways that that that's our function in that yeah
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yeah we do have some excursions like military and and a a concentration camps yeah
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oh no it's easy as they're excluded yeah well okay yeah i don't know if that's what i think it i
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think now we're getting into an interesting question out and we were getting what what morning up because nothing's getting
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to the point that we understand the thin internal contradictions of the development procedures everywhere
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so just make one comment that i'm not look and then uh maybe we have a
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very interesting discussion of adjusting the meeting briefly with the stakeout cons with w.
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w. f. in there we have c. forty um you probably know and the clip
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um and we have chinese engineering associations in there to the question was
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can you clear plan to get certified or just the part of it is it new technology that development
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that makes it more system that can be just certify this one particular element of the nuclear plant
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you can imagine what c. forties aunts was was um but um how india which we have also um through a
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uh um um investment banking their what their own so was so clear that was a discussion we we had
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as katrina said it all criteria so consensus based so
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ultimately everybody agreed on not having nuclear plants in
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you can to folk had the question has a question uh_huh yep thank you thank yous
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a friend assume but i of course invitation for thank you for your presentation
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i was very impressed if you're about those
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standards and all these regulatory sings but
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now it's going a bit too much ensues engine during discussion used shouldn't
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because the fungus young priorities i see i sink interested to bring it to
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the people in the end and then you replace my question is
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you know if you're talking about infrastructure you're talking directly to
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me because you're talking about a new type of landscape
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and you're talking about new scale of infrastructure and wonders
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when i worked with my students in istanbul friends and i
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found out so they are planning a second possible was
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you know what i mean so if they have a pose problems and ceases for
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two reasons if you turn the other man would be for container ships
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and and working with the phone set sister project for it so it was bruce and
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next year's it will open a new airport we see a to perot run base
00:31:42
and then my question is your your little bit running out of
00:31:47
measuring if you're measuring says big project it's easy
00:31:52
but if it's coming to soft skills lurk let's say my students always belief
00:31:57
but the connection inspector as equality and sunset sorry so it's
00:32:02
not always better so for instance i'm completely against
00:32:06
and the extension of public transport around zurich it's a
00:32:10
political position and it's a political attitude because
00:32:13
in the end you only have to move on to rick and we lose use political system i found very good
00:32:20
in a a sports and so connection is not always good souls and send a
00:32:26
very simple question how much mobility dude it's same about when you're talking
00:32:31
about any chewed how much mobility to be neat and then it's different if
00:32:36
you're talking about the corridor connecting brought to them to to train around
00:32:41
it's very good for the economy but as the lines get in between have some problem
00:32:46
of abandonment because it's mister connection but to one who likes that not lax and
00:32:53
but you want to and then i'll come back to the start yeah i think it's a really
00:32:58
different questioning developing country they live here they need connection then it will be t. and whatever
00:33:04
and so it's a totally different question in the development context but i don't understand that
00:33:10
that that we have to find out what exactly is that need in that context
00:33:15
i think this is was something we have been dealing with unlocked and
00:33:19
which was a brief you mention that we try to have an
00:33:25
representatives of all the reaches in a standard committee and then it gets
00:33:30
really complicated because the this theory context and the bangladeshi context uh
00:33:38
is is really hard to compare and they they it was like an additional layer
00:33:43
to our complexity of having different sectors also to deal with different project sizes
00:33:50
and different regions and and um
00:33:54
and i don't know if we would have a solution but we we had a discussion for for
00:33:58
two years to try to to have a consensus that there are certain questions and no
00:34:07
i actually covered by all the criteria if you combine
00:34:11
then them day then cross referencing through the criteria
00:34:17
and that you would have a solution that i would be happy couple for different situations
00:34:24
and and that we might have some kind of um i believe that for
00:34:30
the context to the balancing off this company in social and and uh
00:34:36
environmental questions that we would find in not an i. t. r. but they're a balanced um
00:34:42
approach for the context but it wasn't a yeah i did i don't think that we
00:34:47
have the ideal solution but it when it was taken up again 'cause context oxidation
00:34:54
but uh so i'm not really much time so i know situation quite well easy outs
00:35:00
and i think i agree with you it's not so long ago we didn't
00:35:04
have to hate us we didn't really have enough teachers to work with his tunes
00:35:08
and so on and i wouldn't have a problem if everybody in such um
00:35:12
audience or or congress is suing you know we've seen
00:35:17
and our whole always have to pack up your different the numbers will be no fifty
00:35:22
percent of the world population live in cities and i hear insert years fifty percent
00:35:27
i for one question what happens with the landscaping people still living
00:35:31
in the band and landscapes and so that's a problem
00:35:34
obviously aren't and then my colleagues it's the th they're always saying
00:35:38
two degrees more in fifty years but says with browser for 'cause it's not
00:35:42
to be able to to um you want to resonance next next week
00:35:46
two and when i was a student i was just tools in two thousand sixteen we will have
00:35:52
fifty percent less forced in europe but we have
00:35:55
much more sons and senses dramatic change
00:35:59
and then it's very difficult to bring it down and we have to find and so it's really
00:36:04
an open discussion of the critique we have to bring it down to hers or for instance
00:36:09
because i'm a so called expert and then i'm invited to so part controversies
00:36:15
use with national park and people voted against it two weeks ago
00:36:19
and then our with local people because other experts
00:36:23
and you really critical and emotional rebates
00:36:26
and i can tell you we have to build up trust these people tom don't trust us
00:36:32
because i seem especially in the out you have to think about the new economy
00:36:37
new ways of re or are we are organising transformation of c. out because
00:36:42
even the regional organisation doesn't really work and so these people
00:36:47
don't trust us that's a problem if you want to implement new ideas new economist
00:36:54
we have to be able to like you do it too much closer to
00:36:57
these people and it's a real problems that so you don't trust us
00:37:01
so for instance if very it's a very to a simple
00:37:05
uh redmond you're talking about numbers if your religion switzerland
00:37:08
is shrinking more send five hundred people it doesn't work
00:37:12
anymore not because economy because of social and cultural
00:37:17
missing people so we're doing type sports communities cultural communities
00:37:23
you lose the culture so that's that's a real problem and to explain or to translate on
00:37:28
the stop loss to the people is not so easy because when i see you
00:37:33
you could go to cool fruit production going so most humans always proposes
00:37:37
stuck to be menu for so problem you have concealed because
00:37:41
my quality to british ideas use with salt marshes english friends and saying
00:37:47
what do we know more concerts versa it's very ramming taint percent
00:37:51
for me it's agriculture so it's a completely different and i think
00:37:56
you have to understand that you lost something and sets
00:38:00
to reason as industry doesn't work anymore so we have to have a new economic concept and
00:38:06
i don't know how and it's really no discussion not to critique what can we
00:38:11
do and it's different in slovenia in france or germany or in in switzerland
00:38:16
and then we have says region says euro person return that could
00:38:21
be a chance to do for the next development but the
00:38:25
first would be needed new economy it's the same as the mobility
00:38:28
we have to rethink completely to in a different way
00:38:34
and um i just want to say uh um uh uh first of all
00:38:41
to react to pass goals for their reaction on the image of carly with the time we also have
00:38:47
exactly the same thought with image could have been everywhere has to do also with the fact
00:38:53
that a him quantifying approach that you have because you need to work with measures
00:39:00
is a global system use a global lies um or a level him
00:39:06
approach seen just talk with members and seems everybody has to go
00:39:11
around the table if they want to partake in the discussion they need to talk with members we have the same number culture
00:39:18
so they have the same basis there is in the eleven of cultures there's a lever in of different is
00:39:23
happening because we need to discuss if we need to discuss with the same language which is english
00:39:29
just right now little by little our way of thinking will become will get closer
00:39:33
and and then our images would get the same or more the same basis
00:39:38
i think approval process that is very hard to
00:39:41
fight against unless we accept differences in the
00:39:45
works of differences then we get into other kinds of oppositions would could also be
00:39:52
linguistic oppositions eh for the positions mineral and so on and so forth i mean
00:39:59
cool having at some point uh what we're actually even work at arriving at a at a um
00:40:06
apart boxes that are part of our eh um
00:40:09
a western um are integrating them whatever
00:40:13
you can call it a catcher that needs to have a which is also very
00:40:19
expansive very dominating and the out of the fact that in
00:40:23
colombia the doing of the same part a term we
00:40:25
like i seem perishing grenoble it's exactly the same image is positive and negative at the same time yes please
00:40:35
uh_huh numbers don't care about written design yeah we we think about to grow in approving images
00:40:43
i don't think it's necessary to do with uh the we we assess quality
00:40:48
i think yes we changes as a quality the same way but
00:40:52
in a sense but in this project us as well to really try
00:40:54
and understand how the local governments assess their own sense of
00:40:59
qualities and then collect those different images that
00:41:03
criteria and the assessment correctly under statistics
00:41:07
as they define them locally and and working does look workshops to try to
00:41:12
get them perhaps to respond to the offer two of 'em checked them whether they really suitable out then
00:41:18
we collect only is and see what have an overall image of everyone's view of the world and
00:41:23
the only teacher was i able to do that without walmart everything
00:41:27
but we will select some so called keep you guys keep performance indicators that are common to the more
00:41:35
the reason perhaps can i upload to a higher understanding but not to
00:41:40
direct what is happening on the ground but just understand comparable performances
00:41:46
but this this problem of the harmonisation applying but that is a problem as
00:41:50
it i think it's being manifested in the way we look at data
00:41:55
but i'm not sure it's cause by the way of evaluating it was not a cause and effect uh um i don't
00:42:01
know to which is because what effect but there is a correlation for sure there's a correlation that we need to
00:42:07
i mean there's a part where we need differentiated words and characters but we all
00:42:12
discussed in the same terms there's a problem i mean we have to accept
00:42:17
there's another or just uh just one footnote that's just just one footnote on
00:42:22
those of that but um i uh um this idea of um
00:42:28
no economy is really for a but it comes from also
00:42:32
understanding that uh this or just as upset orders interest
00:42:35
in organic agriculture is just the health aspect is also a suit to management and but it was a
00:42:45
it should be the green hours that we look at the well organised well
00:42:49
managed which colour culture those it does it's causes you to a meeting
00:42:54
by diversity does it's you haven't as you know switzerland has in its cities a
00:43:00
higher level of but it was it didn't it's a control because it did
00:43:05
so it's it's critical to reform revolutionise that we we do a coach and that's i think
00:43:12
critical uh in the way you call for new economy 'cause economy isn't just a
00:43:18
digital commits also want attest to rely on a minimum of land management factors
00:43:25
which don't really require starting from scratch but to transform the way we understand we're for real
00:43:32
uh um to be able to to manage to to work but it was yeah
00:43:41
yeah i did it and then let that let be a big word
00:43:47
ah no it don't also comes in this whole discussion of localisation
00:43:53
and and the economy we're having at the moment and our infrastructure is part of that
00:44:00
and it also comes the discussion you even start it
00:44:05
oh uh mentioned it's about a a nero colonialism
00:44:09
how well we need to go to india or china or johannesburg
00:44:14
and and say oh you do need don't meet whatever they think they need
00:44:20
that these it's it's such a complex um is situation and and maybe a different so that
00:44:25
we always working and working a lot with with um other coaches and and uh
00:44:32
i it can not make and and uh uh cultural situations where
00:44:39
we are just the one coming in at this at this stage but not the ones to decide uh what the
00:44:45
needs of the of the local population is add we presented by and mayor or a a local government
00:44:54
it's good for last work very good so i i hope you're hungry enough to make a post now uh we

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PRÉSENTATION DE LA JOURNÉE DE SÉMINAIRE
Panos MANTZIARAS, Directeur, Fondation Braillard Architectes
8 Dec. 2016 · 9:10 a.m.
ALLOCUTION
Antonio HODGERS, Conseiller d’État chargé du département de l’aménagement, du logement et de l’énergie (DALE), République et canton de Genève
8 Dec. 2016 · 9:11 a.m.
INTRODUCTION
Panos MANTZIARAS, Directeur, Fondation Braillard Architectes
8 Dec. 2016 · 9:24 a.m.
ABRIS D’URGENCE À GENÈVE
Philippe BONHÔTE // Ivan VUARAMBON, Architecte, professeur, Joint Master of Architecture, HES/GE-HEPIA // Architecte, chargé de missions auprès de la DDC
8 Dec. 2016 · 9:46 a.m.
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VIVRE DEMAIN LA VILLE DE BASSE DENSITÉ
Nicolas TIXIER // Jennifer BUYCK, Architecte, professeur, École nationale supérieure d’architecture de Grenoble // Architecte, maître de conférences, Institut d’urbanisme de Grenoble
8 Dec. 2016 · 10:15 a.m.
RÉPONDANTS : VIVRE DEMAIN LA VILLE DE BASSE DENSITÉ & ABRIS D’URGENCE À GENÈVE
Dominique BOURG // Rémi BAUDOUI, Philosophe, professeur - Institut de géographie et durabilité, Faculté des géosciences et de l’environnement, Université de Lausanne // Sociologue, professeur - Département de science politique et relations internationales, Université de Genève
8 Dec. 2016 · 10:44 a.m.
SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT URBAN INFRASTRUCTURES - INSIGHT FROM CASE STUDIES
Katharina SCHNEIDER ROSS // Marco GROSSMANN, Deputy Executive Director - Global Infrastructure Basel // Director Implementation Services - Global Infrastructure Basel
8 Dec. 2016 · 11:42 a.m.
PROJET ATLAS - ATLAS DE DÉVELOPPEMENT DURABLE POUR L’ESPACE ALPIN
Peter DROEGE, Architect, professor, Liechtenstein Institute for Strategic Development
8 Dec. 2016 · 12:08 p.m.
RÉPONDANTS : PROJET ATLAS - ATLAS DE DÉVELOPPEMENT DURABLE POUR L’ESPACE ALPIN
Pascal ROLLET // Robert SADLEIR, Architecte, professeur, École nationale supérieure d’architecture de Grenoble // Économiste - Westminster University
8 Dec. 2016 · 12:35 p.m.
ATLAS ARCHITECTURAL D’ÉCONOMIES CIRCULAIRES
Grégoire BIGNIER // Peggy GARCIA, Architecte-ingénieur, chercheur, Laboratoire LIAT, ENSAPM // Architecte, postgrade EPFL - Maître assistant associé, ENSAPM
8 Dec. 2016 · 2:52 p.m.
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SCENARIOS FOR A COLLABORATIVE CITY SUSTAINABLE UTOPIA OF THE POLYCENTRIC RUHR REGION
Alexander SCHMIDT, Architecte, professor - Institute of City Planning + Urban Design, University Duisburg-Essen
8 Dec. 2016 · 3:18 p.m.
RÉPONDANTS : SCENARIOS FOR A COLLABORATIVE CITY SUSTAINABLE UTOPIA OF THE POLYCENTRIC RUHR REGION
Sabine BARLES // Gunther VOGT, Ingenieure, professeure - Universite Paris I, UMR Geo-Cites // Paysagiste, professeur?Institut fur Landschaftsarchitektur, ETHZ
8 Dec. 2016 · 3:49 p.m.
URBAN LIFE FOR SUBURBIA - THE TICINO CASE
Frédéric BONNET, Architecte, professeur - Académie d’architecture, Mendrisio
8 Dec. 2016 · 5:10 p.m.
ALPS - PROTOTYPES FOR THE ALPINE CITY-TERRITORY
PAOLA VIGANÒ, Architecte-urbaniste, professeure EPFL et IUAV, directrice du laboratoire Lab-U/ EPFL, membre fondateur de l’agence Studio 16, Milan
8 Dec. 2016 · 5:43 p.m.
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RÉPONDANTS : DENSUISSE - RECHERCHE PROSPECTIVE SUR LA DENSIFICATION DE L’ESPACE URBAIN SUISSE
Pascal ROLLET // Günther VOGT, Architecte, professeur, École nationale supérieure d’architecture de Grenoble // Paysagiste, professeur Institut für Landschaftsarchitektur, ETHZ
8 Dec. 2016 · 6:13 p.m.
CONFÉRENCE / KEYNOTE SPEECH // CURRENT PREOCCUPATIONS
Reinier DE GRAAF, Architect - Office for Metropolitan Architecture, Rotterdam 8 DÉCEMBRE 2016
8 Dec. 2016 · 6:39 p.m.
QUESTIONS // REPONSES
Reinier DE GRAAF, Architect - Office for Metropolitan Architecture, Rotterdam 8 DÉCEMBRE 2016
8 Dec. 2016 · 7:21 p.m.

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