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i thank you very much as they're interesting and i have not so much question just uh
the five but the i've i'm not sure but is you you mentioned a tad oaks
i don't think that is the products this is just the so is it of a very
specific political economy call situation that makes that there is a a kind of a
uh but uh in the him and his ass elevation of
what we observe when we look at some a region
uh but in this case as there is a very uh uh and
a particular situation the way it is that's paradox for me
i don't know and i have just a question you have said that the is the other than doesn't go
and you are using a going on in cover a data but uh i
i didn't know that that was the yet and you all um
uh that that production for conan cover you you have a shell and your uh
so i i just so want it to hear she let you have the korean lot from two thousand to talk
to some twelve years have two thousand six like that so anything between the base actually it from anyway
national statistical agency okay thank you uh huh oh
uh i just uh i have a couple of a core questions or observations regarding this on
firstly um you you you mentioned the nation of scale
and my question is well how did you choose the level of scale that you actually using because
to me there's also a lack of human i mentioned to us
and i think that's very important to understand a than environments i think
the previous study actually looked at the question of the community
and i think that's a very important uh we were talking about
scale how you choose the level of skills are you using
because of the way what you are currently doing is you
obstructing the level you'd using very much a geographical ah
not being poses a speak of without looking what i see is the human dimension to that
not joint work that is that's a giving this will not based in terms of uh
the communities that i exist that's question i um the second one is
really a point but i think it's significant uh waiting for and i think it
was rose by studying the question of the significance of luxembourg in terms of
using this is a case study was a project study when uh
we look at something like the young see with the delta where there's a
hundred and thirteen million people arm and its impact on vocalisation for you
is going to the extraordinary uh and why is it that uh uh i
mean as you begin to research program at the university luxembourg you
don't also look at china it's impact and localisation given that a lot of the issues you're dealing with a
greater impact will initially come from the east asia rather than your the in terms of scale that low
roy yes so so maybe in awaken responsible sent to both questions are about like
to look for something about the scale because when you use or a
common construct a effect that that there is one very obviously even where we're
starting with the the investigation there because we're base there but also
yeah there's another twenty trading reason for me yeah yeah if you'll lose thing
to do when you want to research a bunny nation in in the
typical understanding of it all you know it's the c. d.'s are growing population
uh easier concentrating is to just go to this many citizens monsters
and say okay this is the the most they're striking examples of organisation but what i found interesting here is
that that like he didn't they mention that there is a tension that is not so much registered in
the landscape that you cannot sheet that is kind of invisible in this is what to me also leads and
to questioning the modes that we have and for understanding
expiration issues because if you want you know
to to let's say look at anyone areas in the world through land cover data obviously these appears as a whole right
does it mean that it is not equally added bonus as average if you look at the population distribution data again
it looks like as a whole does it mean that they don't know ancient happening there so it could be
actually that all these ideas in them up about that and also highlighted in the presentation that
we have also have something to to tell us in these relates to your other question
about skate yeah because when you mention scale and i thought oh maybe he would say that
it's not big enough but actually went to say bye to be that it is
much more enough and i think it's uh it's quite obvious that you can see the both
ways because it's so hard to define even in this case which is not you
know the terribly complicated days it would be so difficult to define in the scale of
analysis and what is the scale but you actually need to add this eh because
okay let's assume we are interested in the human dimension in communities
but i like this cast fifty percent of these people the actually out of the
boundary so instead of zooming in you would really have to relocate your specific
don't you to be completely different community and then if you did it for one
community wouldn't you need to do it for all of them seemed everyone
is like a a being a so would be spares always population will continue so
disparate so then this would actually mean expanding the scale or zooming in
it it's actually interesting question for me as well and it's it becomes even
more interesting because whenever it you have to do mean you also half
the easy fix that i cannot should go there and do qualitative issues you know feed pieces go see what is happening
ask the people but what did you do when you want to actually using remote you are more and more dependent
on abstract information like to space information and how it is constructed right you mean
you you have no other way to uh be able to address this case
so it is i mean i i you know it's the problem yeah but to
me it could be seen in in both in in both directions huh
question about actually seeing the issue of free riding i. e. those
people who use like symbols infrastructure and don't actually um
it's a uh contribute to uh the wealth of the country so to speak so
could be seen the other way i i suppose in living outside the area
this is one way to see the other will see it is that they don't have to undertake because of social interaction
because if everyone has to luxembourg the would mean not price
would be even higher order that would be completely unsustainable
eat and if you had to sustain this population being there this would make your economy even less competitive right
yes but i i gave this isn't this interesting when it comes to scale in this case it's
so interesting that this is actually a nation state that is they actually it's kind of delineated
which defines yeah the whole or the whole issue so i mean what happens but besides the boundary
beyond the boundary it's basically the same landscape you cannot really understand that the the transition back
the that the that the prices the real estate prices go down three hundred percent last because
you know the the invisible line and it has to do with fixation with relation
i may intervene 'cause i'm i'm very capital cost this project within our
because century project uh yeah one of the things i minor
mm remarks very early when we're having the first draft of the project coming in discussing
that with the group is that it remain as you said robert in there
yeah but in innovation scale of the of the map even fifteen different skills of maps
in fact when it comes to these kinds of question where is not about the size anymore
it's not about the magazine the but the more for local specific eh nuanced problem
i think that robert remarked excellent sense that is a we probably won't be able to
understand the dynamics that is being created and as you get into the community
factor which means the cutter factor because you didn't mention one other option
about on on how things could go is that these people decide
to urban eyes only area like hong kong going singapore
it there's only cutter factor what makes these people decide that
they want to have only a few parts of it
organised and have the forced behind beside there's nothing other than just
a position which is related to the specifics over in eh
relation of the people to their land and with that
go against the other the options and accepting the hypothesis that this show two missions
is done because of other people come working there but if they had to
they could very easily decide vote publicly in signal hundred percent of organisation
what if there's a scenario so that i think that at that point
going ask understanding with our local actors the logo or decision makers why these
eh this position this uh polish to this land point is realistic point is being
adopted would probably be a very interesting part of the research if amy
uh absolutely if i if i may and back a bit also learn there
but they are actions that this could go and so first of all i i
completely agree that it's a casual yeah an issue it's also a a
speculation issue real estate speculation issue to always
keep the ratio and offer development
below variation of racial population growth undoubtedly be growth and because basically
have more they're always mortimer it but again the where the control aspect
and this is where i think it's quite interesting and to
consider this issue of myth that you're perfect what is the cultural aspect it it has to do within the the year
yeah or a presentation let's say for how what space he's right and when you
see a forest if even if the forest was like plant that fifty
years ago you think that it's like true nature if you say you can sort of land even leave the technical supplement is a you know
a contaminating because of a ineffectiveness and things like that you think that it's
not it's not something that can change quote you know let's keep agriculture
and they leave development out of uh out of like simple it but i
think the most interesting thank ease even blink always carter they mention
yeah with the ideology of the nation state because luxembourg sees itself as a state that's why they feel
that they need to be safe for us agricultural and if it's o. itself as a city
they would have no no distractions probably to say about okay agricultural land but it doesn't
make sense anyways i mean you cannot be lay a very a cell fair
sufficient like at the at this level which is also why all these issues are only
it can sort out and not functional about so all these ideas of you know
a local agricultural production on and say you know a gentle icing let's say
a the filtering in trying to bring everything can or should i mean it doesn't make
sense because of this gets impossible you don't really have the talent to do that
having answers or use a reaction broken the back the logistics say we'll have to really stop here thank

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Conference program

Présentation de la journée de séminaire
Panos Mantziaras, Directeur de la Fondation Braillard Architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Sylvain Ferreti, Directeur des services d’urbanisme du Canton de Genève
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:14 a.m.
Densuisse - recherche prospective sur la densification de l’espace urbain suisse
Anne Veuthey, Géographe, fondation Braillard architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:28 a.m.
Densuisse Part 2 - Urban forms, typologies and ways of life
Laurence Beuchat, Architecte, fondation Braillard architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:44 a.m.
Densuisse Part 3 - La métropole Alpino-Lémanique
Roberto Sega & Antoine Vialle
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:59 a.m.
Densuisse Part 4 - Metropolitan countryside
Milica Topalovic, Architecte, professeur assistant
30 Nov. 2017 · 10:25 a.m.
Densuisse Part 5 - Cores & edges (2016) - Levels, landscape and infrastructures (2017)
Frédéric BONNET, Architecte, professeur - Académie d’architecture, Mendrisio
30 Nov. 2017 · 10:44 a.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Densuisse
Dominique Bourg & Günther Vogt, Resp: Philosophe, professeur - institut de géographie et durabilité, Faculté des géosciences et de l’environnement, Unil - Paysagiste, professeur Institut für Landschaftsarchitektur, EPFZ
30 Nov. 2017 · 11:04 a.m.
Projet Atlas - Atlas de développement durable pour l’espace alpin
Peter DROEGE, Architect, professor, Liechtenstein Institute for Strategic Development
30 Nov. 2017 · 11:53 a.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Atlas
Robert Sadleir & Günther Vogt
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:10 p.m.
The «healthy city» as an unrealised potential theory and didactics of concrete utopia design
Stéphane Sadoux, Directeur laboratoire cultures constructives, Grenoble school of architecture, université Grenoble Alpes
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:20 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet «healthy city»
Rémi Baudouï & Robert Sadleir
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:53 p.m.
Construire la ville circulaire
Marion Gardier & Coralie Coutellec
30 Nov. 2017 · 2:50 p.m.
Scenarios for a collaborative city - sustainable utopia of the polycentric ruhr
Alexander SCHMIDT, Architecte, professor - Institute of City Planning + Urban Design, University Duisburg-Essen
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:21 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet sustainable utopia of the polycentric ruhr
Pascal Rollet & Günther Vogt
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:46 p.m.
Composite metabolic landscapes: The case of the greater Luxembourg region
Nikos Katsikis, Architecture postdoctoral researcher, University of Luxembourg
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:59 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet greater Luxembourg region
Sabine Barles & Robert Sadleir
30 Nov. 2017 · 4:20 p.m.
Abris d’urgence à Genève
Philippe Bonhôte, Guillaume Roux-Fouillet, Nadia Carlevaro & Tedros Yosef
30 Nov. 2017 · 4:46 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Abris d’urgence à Genève
Dominique Bourg & Pascal Rollet
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:09 p.m.
Jaipur 2035: la place de l’eau dans la patrimonialisation urbaine
Rémi Papillault & Savitri Jalais
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:22 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Jaipur 2035
Pascal Rollet, Sabine Barles
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:45 p.m.
Résumé et conclusion
Bernard Declève & Panos Mantziaras
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:57 p.m.

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