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i thank you very much as they're interesting and i have not so much question just uh
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the five but the i've i'm not sure but is you you mentioned a tad oaks
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i don't think that is the products this is just the so is it of a very
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specific political economy call situation that makes that there is a a kind of a
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uh but uh in the him and his ass elevation of
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what we observe when we look at some a region
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uh but in this case as there is a very uh uh and
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a particular situation the way it is that's paradox for me
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i don't know and i have just a question you have said that the is the other than doesn't go
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and you are using a going on in cover a data but uh i
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i didn't know that that was the yet and you all um
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uh that that production for conan cover you you have a shell and your uh
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so i i just so want it to hear she let you have the korean lot from two thousand to talk
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to some twelve years have two thousand six like that so anything between the base actually it from anyway
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national statistical agency okay thank you uh huh oh
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uh i just uh i have a couple of a core questions or observations regarding this on
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firstly um you you you mentioned the nation of scale
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and my question is well how did you choose the level of scale that you actually using because
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to me there's also a lack of human i mentioned to us
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and i think that's very important to understand a than environments i think
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the previous study actually looked at the question of the community
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and i think that's a very important uh we were talking about
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scale how you choose the level of skills are you using
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because of the way what you are currently doing is you
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obstructing the level you'd using very much a geographical ah
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not being poses a speak of without looking what i see is the human dimension to that
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not joint work that is that's a giving this will not based in terms of uh
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the communities that i exist that's question i um the second one is
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really a point but i think it's significant uh waiting for and i think it
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was rose by studying the question of the significance of luxembourg in terms of
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using this is a case study was a project study when uh
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we look at something like the young see with the delta where there's a
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hundred and thirteen million people arm and its impact on vocalisation for you
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is going to the extraordinary uh and why is it that uh uh i
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mean as you begin to research program at the university luxembourg you
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don't also look at china it's impact and localisation given that a lot of the issues you're dealing with a
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greater impact will initially come from the east asia rather than your the in terms of scale that low
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roy yes so so maybe in awaken responsible sent to both questions are about like
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to look for something about the scale because when you use or a
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common construct a effect that that there is one very obviously even where we're
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starting with the the investigation there because we're base there but also
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yeah there's another twenty trading reason for me yeah yeah if you'll lose thing
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to do when you want to research a bunny nation in in the
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typical understanding of it all you know it's the c. d.'s are growing population
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uh easier concentrating is to just go to this many citizens monsters
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and say okay this is the the most they're striking examples of organisation but what i found interesting here is
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that that like he didn't they mention that there is a tension that is not so much registered in
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the landscape that you cannot sheet that is kind of invisible in this is what to me also leads and
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to questioning the modes that we have and for understanding
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expiration issues because if you want you know
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to to let's say look at anyone areas in the world through land cover data obviously these appears as a whole right
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does it mean that it is not equally added bonus as average if you look at the population distribution data again
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it looks like as a whole does it mean that they don't know ancient happening there so it could be
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actually that all these ideas in them up about that and also highlighted in the presentation that
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we have also have something to to tell us in these relates to your other question
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about skate yeah because when you mention scale and i thought oh maybe he would say that
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it's not big enough but actually went to say bye to be that it is
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much more enough and i think it's uh it's quite obvious that you can see the both
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ways because it's so hard to define even in this case which is not you
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know the terribly complicated days it would be so difficult to define in the scale of
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analysis and what is the scale but you actually need to add this eh because
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okay let's assume we are interested in the human dimension in communities
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but i like this cast fifty percent of these people the actually out of the
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boundary so instead of zooming in you would really have to relocate your specific
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don't you to be completely different community and then if you did it for one
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community wouldn't you need to do it for all of them seemed everyone
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is like a a being a so would be spares always population will continue so
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disparate so then this would actually mean expanding the scale or zooming in
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it it's actually interesting question for me as well and it's it becomes even
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more interesting because whenever it you have to do mean you also half
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the easy fix that i cannot should go there and do qualitative issues you know feed pieces go see what is happening
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ask the people but what did you do when you want to actually using remote you are more and more dependent
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on abstract information like to space information and how it is constructed right you mean
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you you have no other way to uh be able to address this case
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so it is i mean i i you know it's the problem yeah but to
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me it could be seen in in both in in both directions huh
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question about actually seeing the issue of free riding i. e. those
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people who use like symbols infrastructure and don't actually um
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it's a uh contribute to uh the wealth of the country so to speak so
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could be seen the other way i i suppose in living outside the area
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this is one way to see the other will see it is that they don't have to undertake because of social interaction
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because if everyone has to luxembourg the would mean not price
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would be even higher order that would be completely unsustainable
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eat and if you had to sustain this population being there this would make your economy even less competitive right
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yes but i i gave this isn't this interesting when it comes to scale in this case it's
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so interesting that this is actually a nation state that is they actually it's kind of delineated
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which defines yeah the whole or the whole issue so i mean what happens but besides the boundary
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beyond the boundary it's basically the same landscape you cannot really understand that the the transition back
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the that the that the prices the real estate prices go down three hundred percent last because
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you know the the invisible line and it has to do with fixation with relation
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i may intervene 'cause i'm i'm very capital cost this project within our
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because century project uh yeah one of the things i minor
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mm remarks very early when we're having the first draft of the project coming in discussing
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that with the group is that it remain as you said robert in there
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yeah but in innovation scale of the of the map even fifteen different skills of maps
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in fact when it comes to these kinds of question where is not about the size anymore
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it's not about the magazine the but the more for local specific eh nuanced problem
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i think that robert remarked excellent sense that is a we probably won't be able to
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understand the dynamics that is being created and as you get into the community
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factor which means the cutter factor because you didn't mention one other option
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about on on how things could go is that these people decide
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to urban eyes only area like hong kong going singapore
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it there's only cutter factor what makes these people decide that
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they want to have only a few parts of it
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organised and have the forced behind beside there's nothing other than just
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a position which is related to the specifics over in eh
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relation of the people to their land and with that
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go against the other the options and accepting the hypothesis that this show two missions
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is done because of other people come working there but if they had to
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they could very easily decide vote publicly in signal hundred percent of organisation
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what if there's a scenario so that i think that at that point
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going ask understanding with our local actors the logo or decision makers why these
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eh this position this uh polish to this land point is realistic point is being
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adopted would probably be a very interesting part of the research if amy
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uh absolutely if i if i may and back a bit also learn there
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but they are actions that this could go and so first of all i i
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completely agree that it's a casual yeah an issue it's also a a
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speculation issue real estate speculation issue to always
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keep the ratio and offer development
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below variation of racial population growth undoubtedly be growth and because basically
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have more they're always mortimer it but again the where the control aspect
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and this is where i think it's quite interesting and to
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consider this issue of myth that you're perfect what is the cultural aspect it it has to do within the the year
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yeah or a presentation let's say for how what space he's right and when you
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see a forest if even if the forest was like plant that fifty
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years ago you think that it's like true nature if you say you can sort of land even leave the technical supplement is a you know
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a contaminating because of a ineffectiveness and things like that you think that it's
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not it's not something that can change quote you know let's keep agriculture
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and they leave development out of uh out of like simple it but i
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think the most interesting thank ease even blink always carter they mention
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yeah with the ideology of the nation state because luxembourg sees itself as a state that's why they feel
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that they need to be safe for us agricultural and if it's o. itself as a city
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they would have no no distractions probably to say about okay agricultural land but it doesn't
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make sense anyways i mean you cannot be lay a very a cell fair
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sufficient like at the at this level which is also why all these issues are only
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it can sort out and not functional about so all these ideas of you know
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a local agricultural production on and say you know a gentle icing let's say
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a the filtering in trying to bring everything can or should i mean it doesn't make
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sense because of this gets impossible you don't really have the talent to do that
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having answers or use a reaction broken the back the logistics say we'll have to really stop here thank

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Conference program

Présentation de la journée de séminaire
Panos Mantziaras, Directeur de la Fondation Braillard Architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Allocution
Sylvain Ferreti, Directeur des services d’urbanisme du Canton de Genève
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:14 a.m.
Densuisse - recherche prospective sur la densification de l’espace urbain suisse
Anne Veuthey, Géographe, fondation Braillard architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:28 a.m.
Densuisse Part 2 - Urban forms, typologies and ways of life
Laurence Beuchat, Architecte, fondation Braillard architectes
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:44 a.m.
Densuisse Part 3 - La métropole Alpino-Lémanique
Roberto Sega & Antoine Vialle
30 Nov. 2017 · 9:59 a.m.
Densuisse Part 4 - Metropolitan countryside
Metaxia Markaki, Architecte
30 Nov. 2017 · 10:25 a.m.
Densuisse Part 5 - Cores & edges (2016) - Levels, landscape and infrastructures (2017)
Frédéric BONNET, Architecte, professeur - Académie d’architecture, Mendrisio
30 Nov. 2017 · 10:44 a.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Densuisse
Dominique Bourg & Günther Vogt, Resp: Philosophe, professeur - institut de géographie et durabilité, Faculté des géosciences et de l’environnement, Unil - Paysagiste, professeur Institut für Landschaftsarchitektur, EPFZ
30 Nov. 2017 · 11:04 a.m.
Projet Atlas - Atlas de développement durable pour l’espace alpin
Peter DROEGE, Architect, professor, Liechtenstein Institute for Strategic Development
30 Nov. 2017 · 11:53 a.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Atlas
Robert Sadleir & Günther Vogt
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:10 p.m.
The «healthy city» as an unrealised potential theory and didactics of concrete utopia design
Stéphane Sadoux, Directeur laboratoire cultures constructives, Grenoble school of architecture, université Grenoble Alpes
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:20 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet «healthy city»
Rémi Baudouï & Robert Sadleir
30 Nov. 2017 · 12:53 p.m.
Construire la ville circulaire
Marion Gardier & Coralie Coutellec
30 Nov. 2017 · 2:50 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Atlas architectural d’économies circulaires
Sabine Barles & Rémi Baudouï
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:12 p.m.
Scenarios for a collaborative city - sustainable utopia of the polycentric ruhr
Alexander SCHMIDT, Architecte, professor - Institute of City Planning + Urban Design, University Duisburg-Essen
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:21 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet sustainable utopia of the polycentric ruhr
Pascal Rollet & Günther Vogt
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:46 p.m.
Composite metabolic landscapes: The case of the greater Luxembourg region
Nikos Katsikis, Architecture postdoctoral researcher, University of Luxembourg
30 Nov. 2017 · 3:59 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet greater Luxembourg region
Sabine Barles & Robert Sadleir
30 Nov. 2017 · 4:20 p.m.
Abris d’urgence à Genève
Philippe Bonhôte, Guillaume Roux-Fouillet, Nadia Carlevaro & Tedros Yosef
30 Nov. 2017 · 4:46 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Abris d’urgence à Genève
Dominique Bourg & Pascal Rollet
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:09 p.m.
Jaipur 2035: la place de l’eau dans la patrimonialisation urbaine
Rémi Papillault & Savitri Jalais
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:22 p.m.
Réponses / analyses du projet Jaipur 2035
Pascal Rollet, Sabine Barles
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:45 p.m.
Résumé et conclusion
Bernard Declève & Panos Mantziaras
30 Nov. 2017 · 5:57 p.m.

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