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chris telling kong then so so it with the focus we have no on
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okay so it's clearly we're we're hearing about single contracts ninety same
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ratio and efficiency how do we ensure the involvement of local
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actors to reach the and oh another grandpa goal of twenty five
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percent of the funding going to local and national actors
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i thank you all sit there is no no okay i uh exclude from belief international my question
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was are and uh it was to the food and uh i'm a popsicle as well
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uh uh you you mentioned that you choose a intimate department based on comparative advantage and value for money
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and you know i do agree that that's the approach that we should go to 'cause the sector
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and when it comes to the you know you mentioned that that might be
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the private sector but how what have what how would you define
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value for money or what would what would you look for in terms of value for money in that respect because cost dimensions when i was
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on the on of course is obviously one thing but it doesn't really determined value that's you know more of the the money is
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yes i know that woody from a constituent your thoughts you know uh we
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spoken a lot about effectiveness about asks each about a efficiencies this is
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fifty now of a cash cash answer programming i'd like to challenge a bit i speak
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about ethics and principles uh so my question for you from the donors perspective
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what advantage does the private sector has over n. g.
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o.s and that the classical actors and uh
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and the sector and julia many chains principles still play a role in this new equation
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and the second question is what kind of guarantee his criteria are
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vetting process would you don't as asked from the private sector's
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to justify a ah that he i still protecting the fundamental principles
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that protect our mandate our work in our mission thank you
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my my question one b. s. has that one yeah yeah so i i married
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they say here that there is an more interest for funding more cash programming
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and but if we take a page from the private sector changing
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that business not oh requires investment so if we don't put
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money into it we will never manage to like cheese essays nick
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change that we're planning to achieve so my question is
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and when you're thinking of allocation of resources and the
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efficiency ratios and all that the considerations how are you planning to resource that change that you want to see
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so working yep them so lost
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yeah i'm just sort of one sort of a a flag first which is the
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the capacity um okay some analysis pieces incredibly
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weak across lots lots of sectors them
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and the for for us to make informed decisions are unhealthy
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sketchy because of them but uh what about that
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humanity rips in shelter plus the um but my question is that a lot of the discussion on it
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has been touch from below the discussion is sort of putting 'em all what about giving but it's getting money all giving
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items well actually a lot to the the real benefits come
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from the plus and so my question to you is
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given that we need to this past effected um and you
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want to change the world the delivery efficiency fantastic
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fully agree that there's there's a lot that can be done it over when you look at that
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um oh discussion around a competition uh else all seen cost efficiency
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within public service is a lot of countries as maybe
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the the quality of service is actually going down because of
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the these element of competition you know lowering caustic searcher
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hello in there um landscape how do we then ensure that the plus is well funded
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even if that plus is expensive and how do we start having the discussion of
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if we talk about percentages of overheads percentages money how much
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is all right for that last calls healthy mitchell
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the plus is the bit that has the impact has uh uh the l. comes that we want to thank you uh a
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uh_huh
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yeah
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then some ah courtney sent that underlie has to go to the airport and uh
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i wanted to give you an opportunity to respond very fast before
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she leaves a so well thank you and uh um
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a very very quickly is straight jacket up the talk the talk it i'm not
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dead or alive we have to get yeah it's way we wanna go
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so um there is flexibility and there is also reality
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or whether or not in a particular situation
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we can do and go to catch already indicated that it says situations out of
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the question zero it's not gonna be it would be a good time
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and local partners i don't really have a very good answer
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for you but that is something that we're actually
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looking into uh also from because side because i i am very much where we have
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to do much better for that but um right now i don't have a
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um i meant a very good answer value for money again eight one of the aspects that we
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look at it and i i maybe i i said it's and many times that the contact
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medium people really but quality also like this and it's uh
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i actually i'm focused on that in my presentation
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when we were looking at the guidance we we hoped to
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be able to say that in in re big
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a cash transfers we we would like to see that ninety percent of the farms actually get to
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the individuals so so that you get to the when the fish is this is not on
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but that does not mean that we're going to sacrifice
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meaningful interventions in order to get to that
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that's way ideally uh we want we want to um to be
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any situation allows it that's what we would like to see
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um
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ethics and international humanitarian law and the the
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involvement of the uh private sector
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i think the one of the things that came out very loud and clear out
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of the work humanitarian some it was that it is not no longer possible
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just for the uh traditional dollars to convert the humanitarian meat and
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and and and making it possible for others to camille including the
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private sector was one of the objectives uh um so um
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the private sector is not by definition that h. b. which is
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which obviously i think was the angle of the question however
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when we humanitarian double rows and no finance through
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the private sector we should absolutely uh
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call sign that that international humanitarian law in how we how do we do that is thirty two
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so i don't see any international humanitarian law will be challenged by the fact that
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the plus of pressing the button for the transfer of the fall of the of the finals select
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save my g. f. m. is not a new agency and it's a private telecoms operator
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um
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changing the business model requires investment i was just in uganda seven
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mentioned three four days ago when the refugees are registered
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they giving a bank account even though they may not get cash plants
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why are they giving a bank account because the uh one of
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the banks there has a has a very good registration system
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yeah baby have huh and this to that having and financial inclusive video
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all of these new refugees come you potentially is a market for
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whether or not they they use it for huh those that use those
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bank account it doesn't matter big given those bank accounts will zero
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so it's not always business models change we've asked pain for it
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but uh if this is like i can't find that
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potentially it's good for the yeah for the business if they're more open minded with respect to the movie
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um
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the
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and i just want to finish it damn way but that because that was also but
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giving what effect is with the compaq specifically we just pick three cases stuff sedan
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how can we do uh i mean we we did this thing eighteen
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in kind in situations way or even actual people sometimes so
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we can't do that somalia we heard the panels o'malley some ideas different international and
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agency different ambition and use 'em agencies have access to different i
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what are we gonna tell them you will have to come together and into a
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big contract and then deliver would not the situation on the ground is not
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does not allow us to do effective humanity when difficult and so we
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look at the context so in all of these things it's not
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cash you know ah you know under at all cost it's not
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cash against your international humanitarian law it's not cash again
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all the other things that we have so much debated and put
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in place or something yes but if the situation allows it
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we would like to see efficiencies increased we would like to see this nineteen chairman a ah
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yeah a ratio of delivery
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uh and this is where we want to follow if the situation
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thanks very much an excuse me i have to catch a flight my colleague can uh take any other questions
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thank you and uh thank you for the time
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ah ah understand you'd like to respond
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oh
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sure i mean
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uh_huh
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alright uh show them use frozen a polo please uh if well
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i think a lot of the questions were interesting i
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so
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finally i mean
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yes we can you proceed
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oh okay
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are you it's all very much
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a lot of
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okay
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i will proceed
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i think we don't
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rather than a bit away also go ahead yeah our and saying thumbs up a member
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um so uh i i would i would totally agree with what andrew was
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the um on there's no inherent reason why business and ball and
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uh yeah and in just a lover isn't inconsistent with
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friends or response i think you'd easy watched carefully
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uh and masterfully but this potentially towns are all else well
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but in of all true but of all un agencies uh and the n. g. o.s
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um in the end uh an oversight technical advisory as opposed to
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as opposed to deliver essentially again i don't know if
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that's the exact way things work and outbreak those are the sorts of questions that we need to be posing
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um and it's important that we keep our eye on the ball when it
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comes to humanitarian principles as we engage new actors in this who are
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steeped again the sort of traditions on the sword was
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working the the uh the we're used to um
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on the the the point on market analysis that's extremely important why you know
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i would totally agree that it's very we across many seconds right
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now and this is something that when i was a u. s. a. i. d. we were quite oh record sees with the site
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that to do cash effectively to do any kind of program effective way that interacts with the economy you
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need to have good market analysis not economic analysis
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and that's not something that i think traditionally
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humanitarian actors have invested in um w. p. does some of that
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um and the world bank is quite good at that
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beyond that you know most most actors most angelos
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it's it's a mixed bag things like the emergency mark a um
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market mapping assessment tool the i'm a tool is very important um
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yeah it's tended to sit with uh no i wouldn't sector not necessarily another stuff and so we we do need to really
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oh our game enhance our capacity you as a as a as
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a system on market analysis else's tools yells out because
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otherwise you end up essentially just using cache responsibly using cash income
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the way rather than really excited when a targeted when
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value for money user to use a term weaker thrown around a lot as the last
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one or many uh it's a term we're thrown around a lot through rather
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a lot of other donors during around to i'm not sure we are really good definition yeah what
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we mean by that um or queer way that we're going to measure that and um
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getting better tools better metrics for what we mean by sessions be what we mean by
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value for money we don't have a good way right now to compare um
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the effectiveness of a different actors of only efficiency different
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actors as funding modest funding uh implementation mechanism
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we don't have freeways either rules of necessarily uh doing apples
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to apples comparisons on just personal digital programming model
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is now i think we need to we we need to investing in and around others well thanks
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thanks and uh oh no please thank you sorry for interrupting let's quite alright thank
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you very much a so it's good to listen to jeremy first anyway um
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been doing that for many years we were in a in a humanitarian salon together before she came into government and the
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the involvement of businesses and ah i any issue if humanitarian principles i think
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it's important to focus on the outcomes there and to make sure you looking at
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the protection related outcomes because most assistance does have a protection related i can't
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in a forced migration situation so it's really important to look at that
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and i don't think that it's impossible for businesses to train themselves if
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they're really going to be the ones looking at the outcomes
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i'm i'm not sure that the right next or maybe maybe businesses do a part of the
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being there well in doubt to do and then i mean g. or somebody else that knows protection looks at the outcome
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i think there are different ways of setting it up so that you don't end up putting the wrong actor in the
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position where they send it in competent to do something and
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i would say during mention the world bank they are
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mm usually involving themselves in a lot of forced migration situations particularly
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protracted and they've undertaken in a men's self training ah
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i think they're they're doing lots of training you're inviting lots of people in to talk
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and they're reaching out and i think a doing a hell of a job in getting
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themselves ready to look at a part of the ah the whole scheme on
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development if you think of development as including humanitarian assistance which some do some don't but let's say it does
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they haven't looked at that before because it's been to ah too difficult to risky now they're starting to
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think about doing that because the risk is to development if they don't do it so there
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they've uh i think taking on quite a quite an enormous task i think it doing it well
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probably speaks well that other other entities can also figure out how to do what they do right now um i think i
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certainly the issue of i getting economic analysis
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done on markets is is very tricky
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and you can get conflicting i. analyses to set that has to be something
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that we take very seriously and i would not advise probably a humanitarian organisations
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right you get themselves that behind that now i can be hard now
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i'm with three with v. guide to pay several
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comments they caches threatening to the humanitarian system
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that may be true and let's say it is true i think that means that they say
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a good argument then to go slow enough bitchy figure ah
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who is being threatened by why and why and it the threats that are stupid right
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you toss off to the side you say no we're going forward but they're gonna be some threats that are meaningful
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and it had to do with the beneficiaries or with the host communities that are important to pay attention
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to you and so those need to be thought through and that's how we get back to you
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it caches in for every every place in every time it's not for every circumstance and you have to
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pay attention to what's going on and who the people are you talking about not not talking
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and yeah i just wanted to comment on um on the
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yeah bandwagon commitments uh another dishes and also on the
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i need for investment in in order to change the system either business model um
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they are as as we all know there are potential conflicts between affair effects of commitments within the grant writing
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and for example um between fifty make my thumb and you might funding
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um that can be in conflict with our commitments on cash roundup levitation that with uh it
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just lays down from norway side where already appetite yes for um yeah my funding
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but we're still working t. to improve myself on that and also on providing multi yeah i found him
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i think that getting an idiomatic funding t. uh organisations to give them the
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necessary flexibility to make the necessary changes and we asked on ice
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she'd worked uh in the garden and governing bodies off a a format
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stations that we are members stuff like yeah like the un augmentation
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um
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and a comment i yeah it on a funding on your
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mike funding at various if trash uh i grant writing
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catfish workshop in her own and what's that proposal that
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that don't exchange fanned quite a nation of cash
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share donna's chiffon quite nice enough cash but not necessarily
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at your mike funding actually being directed in t.
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the augmentation speculative budget and thereby funded so then we wouldn't be in in conflict with the
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with the grand bargain commitment on and you're mighty but it but i think i need to remember
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that we have that commitment as well and we're not about to go in the direction of mark your mac funding
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however as i thought in my presentation from now my side
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we are willing to invest in a specific i
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project to taft new models in a specific context is that despite channel um
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well i guess by channel approach um so we see that in some
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cases it's might be useful or necessary to actually having my targeted
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uh approach to you to invest in in change but that would be
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an exception and not a change in action no ah approach
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uh and then just the final i comment on on the issue of uh of targets and uh now i haven't
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had a target on ah how many percentage half i have fifteen should begin in front of cash uh yeah
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faith to some degree because we're not able to measure how much they actually get in cash flow
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but i don't think we necessarily shade that from i five style i think yeah that's the
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implemented i should be able t. t. the fact again if if in fact they provide
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and cast fashion time unkind but for us and that wouldn't
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i really make much fans ask the system works now
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if thank you um so joe's question around um choice of about this except rap or in the
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case of lead on we've gone for a cool fall proposal for more um traditional papas
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um but in different we have the possibility to got to turn
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the uh much more broadly into into the private sector
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provide those in the um if necessary i think it's it's very important that we clarify
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for which which function functions we're using which type of documents of uh for
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the reasons that that i've been the duty to in the questions as well but
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definitely would be able to to include to approve the prior to problems um
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i think that the scary or off the couch program will have a lot of influence
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in terms of the choice of all that that we go for for each
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type of function um the
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but the lady from islam has been so one one also difficult question but um but pockets um
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of course talking some not set in stone and then not a legally binding um
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but i think they're useful in terms of pushing all souls as institutions to
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think more about why we're not doing couch and to challenge all
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souls um i think a mention in defeat we would
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to have a talk at but we also couldn't measure uh how much cash we
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we found so we are changing all systems to be able to to do
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that um and i think that the talk of sort of been
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mentioned to the top of the world vision when she's very uh ambitions
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um all those all around thirty percent will fall below him so
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all of them or below what actually we think could be delivered a catch so i don't think that that
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challenging and um of thing but but they're good work
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to keep us focused on making progress um
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it was a question from christine on uh the involvement of local actors
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um i mean first of all again no or interaction with phones
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is going to be delivered three couches that was perfectly rueful look
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and act as the thing that look like actors will have
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to play a crucial role in terms of um the curve softer functions
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that enable a cash and that actually monitor the impact of cash
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owned by the fisheries because their proximity to um
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to affected populations and and beneficiaries um
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value for money is um a term that we use a lot and if it um
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just to reassure you that cost effectiveness is not does not quite quite funny for
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me for for us some value uh is very much part of that equation
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things like speed and quality all part of our internal definition for
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for money but i would agree that we probably need
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a kind of system wide um definitional east broad agreement
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what value for money means um ethics and principle
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i'm very much of the sensible concerns um
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the value added of the private sector and the private sector will have to demonstrate
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what the what the value is but it's different to in terms of
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specific skills and expertise in certain aspects of the delivery of
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cash um and also specially cost even though they they
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don't looking to make a profit of us as we
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heard um but potentially because of the existing infrastructure
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um lower costs for the actual transfer of cash and that's why
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i think it's important to the sec okay between functions because
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when we're talking about are separating of the functions that have to do
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with assessment and monitoring it subtracts precisely to ensure that the right
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people all being rich uh with cash and that there is no other interference and
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i know that there are checks and balances work you mention principles all or um
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or one of the cool things that we we need to to look at
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investing in contrast to um yeah out allocating resources to
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to build capacity including on the market analysis
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i would agree with that that it's it's probably one of the the
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things that are a very slow in progress down the moment um
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i think that
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we need to have a conversation between don't isn't agencies us to
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costing basically those various functions around catch i don't think we
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we have reached that point yet where we can actually cost
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separately the most of the functions um separate from
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the actual transfer of cash uh uh uh i think it'd be very
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useful to to do that together um but i also think that
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collectively uh uh i go back to to my point about making that decision
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we need to actually individually and collectively we need to um decide
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what were we want to have as individual organisations in this area
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and therefore what capacity would need to implement that i'm i'm
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we would need to agree you what the system wide
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uh functions or and market analysis i think uh is typically you
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one of those cross cutting um functions that today's no taking place as of
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cross cutting system white activity isn't very much skew toward certain sectors
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oh and and their form know really what we would expect in terms of market
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announces no but you know in order to device um it could catch program
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thank you uh the questions that you're going to take
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can they be very brief e. yeah you
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the only britain forced him individual who from format there so according to prod also also for
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one of us is the ten percent to ninety percent for michael uh into a deficiency
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i don't think inquest to put a different level uh also risk adverse vocalisation
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and um if i mean yes in the blue there's always
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something 'cause before it's experiences also this with the version
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a truck all format trusses it's not less costly but if you have like 'cause programming with maybe
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on the doesn't work with possibilities weeks or maybe billy bunny countries can be much higher
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and i'm just wanting to also think about a little the whole
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four course functions in some areas workers can use them
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no one people in this organisation there's a certain risk involved i wonder
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if there has been an before going into kind of ensuring consistency
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this is also for what's most cops what it's all these buttons
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thank you very much a lawyer he projected from which ah so three years ago and jenny there
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we had a similar meeting in which we talked about the transformer did nature of cash
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and reflected on the pressure that cash with but on the humanitarian system and today there does
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seem to be some acknowledgement that the united tearing quite nation architecture really hasn't then
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as little as flexible ah as we would have hopes
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that would allow us to really absorb cast programming
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especially multipurpose casper banning and patrick mention the challenges we
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have in getting cash reflected in humanitarian response plans
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so i'd like to know concretely what actions you think should be taken to ensure that the humanitarian quite nation
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architecture not only really uh adapts to the cast caleb
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but also as jeremy mention these to maximum impact
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and i'd also like to know whether you think that transformation can come from with then
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or whether it's a male external pressure and interference perhaps is required
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and if so where would this come from thank you
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thank you know saying is also an n. t. is try saying the the one of the
00:30:12
the issues he is uh um and the reactions basically say the ethnic and racial
00:30:17
is it we still have a very simplistic uh um uh some surround
00:30:22
the mass money we have we process equals method how we have and that if we is anyone
00:30:27
individually agency have less money coming from book search engine up our our interests ah a legitimacy
00:30:33
uh no no spot shots morning by uh get real finance comments on how it but it's it's a little bit a
00:30:39
few minutes you know when when there's a need for a bit more humidity between us agencies in this debate
00:30:44
as tame as you say the privileged position of hearing what we say publicly that will say here with bilateral charts
00:30:50
i wonder what what mere useless hole that's the the inferences say
00:30:54
okay what are the ass she's behaviours that has we need out some nice being what it is about to discuss
00:31:00
um what different forms of power might use emergence this business is on a couple of myself
00:31:15
i'll say a little bit a little the applicants more to say on this uh just guessing ah i think adam
00:31:25
it would be a lot easier demanded as the it into the show to question first
00:31:29
i think it would be a lot easier to comment on how the
00:31:32
humanitarian coordination architecture should change in order to adapt it cash
00:31:37
if there were widespread agreement on what the cash should look like
00:31:41
and i don't think with their yet and i think there there are some very strong views and there's a lot of shared
00:31:48
vision about the fact that it could be a whole lot more than it
00:31:52
is but there are a whole lot of things to take into consideration
00:31:56
and until we have a little bit more ah changeable idea of what
00:32:01
we're really you mean yeah i think it probably would be ah
00:32:06
difficult impossible and unwise to try to say okay this is
00:32:10
how we're gonna change the immature information architecture itself
00:32:14
even though you made had a meeting at three years ago i think probably get a little bit time to wait on that one um
00:32:21
i think humility is a really good idea um i think agencies actually involved in mentoring is is is often on
00:32:29
for a very very very long time and i've gone through a whole lot
00:32:32
of changes with different organisations and i think the one of the biggest
00:32:39
most difficult things is the biggest challenge is to do the work inside
00:32:44
the organisation at the same time you're talking to other organisations
00:32:48
and that's extremely difficult to do so for example if the u. n. h. c. r. unicef and the
00:32:54
other international organisations they gotta deal with the donnas they have to deal with their own partners
00:32:59
have to deal with their own staff and then they have to deal with each other and it's a law it's it's
00:33:06
it's it's much easier for a donor to decide this is how we're gonna go
00:33:13
and it's a lot harder to get the whole un system or the whole humanitarian system to go along
00:33:18
yeah somebody suggested that maybe we just don't do it through you and and well i don't know i i think that's a real
00:33:26
i'm likely prospect i think the humanitarian assistance need
00:33:31
be kind of global framework that the un provides and that includes the standards that i talk
00:33:37
to buy it includes principles that includes the international lots out there it it works
00:33:43
anyway i'll stuff 'cause i know there's probably only thirty seconds left or something
00:33:48
anyway i think it's it's unlikely to think that we should uh invasion
00:33:53
huge changes in the un system but that maybe just i'm burdened by a lot of uh
00:34:00
a lot of experience in doing
00:34:04
should thanks now nah run through the panelists and don't ask uh huh for
00:34:09
just five minutes extra from you if it's okay uh thank you
00:34:16
thank you i want definitely not take one i don't have a lot of answers to all these very difficult question
00:34:22
uh and the uh insurance afraid to um i think there are a um
00:34:28
i didn't uh a lot of it that interesting presentation slightly by insurance company through right
00:34:33
on on with can ensure and that in humanitarian assistance in particular choice natural disasters
00:34:39
but also an armed conflict but i haven't really heard any yeah anybody talk
00:34:43
about a a a a cash in that context i think yeah
00:34:46
there's some interesting developments that um that we should keep an eye on and perhaps that take advantage of when it comes to him
00:34:54
t. quite nice and uh i think from hi-fi we would actually i really
00:34:58
liked if the um the issue of where quite a nation fit
00:35:02
uh with and assistance thought thought that week it made on uh i did take a fine that uh
00:35:09
perhaps it would be easier if we knew what it would uh it should look like but
00:35:12
um that's the only thing they uh it it it would be important to actually
00:35:16
and maybe away from that rather fragmented and heated discussion um
00:35:20
he should coordinate done them and actually um i be
00:35:25
certain that in actually maintain contact there would be quite nation
00:35:29
about baptists strategic level and at the technical level
00:35:33
thanks
00:35:37
thank you um but we haven't also insuring against perversion brits but um
00:35:43
differently uh the risk of diversion is the uh and uh uh as we've
00:35:47
heard it's probably low uh uh in the different constant bending calling
00:35:51
bought it upset that this so there's an issue perception but there's also
00:35:55
an issue of the risk being difference with with cash transfers um
00:36:01
i think what's important is that we continue to dialogue around
00:36:05
those risks will be or how they all evolving over time as well as was caleb catch
00:36:11
uh and also what medications we or um to get
00:36:15
a uh implementing to to address those risks um
00:36:20
we often been cash transfers in very high risk environments so there is some
00:36:26
level of uptight for is taking a on the down side but that
00:36:30
dialogue is essential if we want to prevent a backlash uh um don't want
00:36:36
to create a as was kind of a cash in terms of
00:36:40
she merchant coordination and she merchant architecture uh i would agree
00:36:44
with four i think would be very useful to have
00:36:48
oh yes he turned the conversation about but it's um it's
00:36:53
it's still not very clear from where i say where the recommendations
00:36:58
of the will point to the i. o. c. on on
00:37:01
coordination of college uh have a um let to a room so it would be very useful to
00:37:07
to have some feedback from the ideas young but um but i can we do have
00:37:13
good examples of how things can be done differently i'm thinking too clearly rock uh on the phone about
00:37:19
that was a a separate uh um chop so i think a point and a separate budget might
00:37:25
uh and those would be minimal requirements in more if you you know to to to be able to the
00:37:31
lip of multipurpose catch 'em through the existing system basic
00:37:36
since the the existing system is not making those
00:37:40
small adjustments then but it's very difficult for us to to
00:37:44
consider continuing multipurpose catch 'em through through that mechanism um
00:37:52
okay that difficult question around a power and influence um
00:37:58
i know it's worth reflecting earlier on when when when he talked about
00:38:02
um protection and you know going to challenge governments about uh
00:38:08
about rights uh uh back to my time as um protection correlation
00:38:13
for for the s. l. c. in various complex and
00:38:17
actually that resonate to the lot with me it's it's true that you know it
00:38:21
it yields inference if you have a a b. program um also worked in
00:38:25
in in countries where wouldn't happen um so i think there are
00:38:29
other factors that that you you influence your mandate um you know uh
00:38:35
professionalism and and the impact that you haven't been fisheries um
00:38:42
we all know actually shall i mean with with this
00:38:45
idea of separating uh functions are we on
00:38:49
not uh uh actual fundamentally challenging mondays oh uh
00:38:54
the power uh within the system oh
00:38:58
uh the roles and responsibilities of of the system on the
00:39:01
country i think we are trying to green falls
00:39:05
the value of humanitarian agencies within the sector but i think that having a rule that has to do with
00:39:12
i'm assessing a needs deciding who gets
00:39:16
cash monitoring the impact of cash and communicating on that you'll see quite a lot
00:39:21
of our own potentially more power than a a bunch humanitarian agencies no
00:39:31
but um i think all started matthew
00:39:37
please quiet for a while
00:39:42
he's waiting for the five
00:39:46
the highlight
00:39:49
yeah yeah yeah alright yeah okay alright i'll go ahead of the us most remote stuff up
00:39:58
so on the the question about over and sanctions concerns up
00:40:04
i don't know if there are specific concerns from your site side
00:40:07
uh on on cash per se but i do think that
00:40:12
the political profile o. o. o. cast yellows is different in in ways that might
00:40:17
get more attention from of that um i think as with any uh
00:40:22
as with any new program high risk environment it used to be
00:40:25
at the forefront of of the minds of implementing partners um
00:40:30
yeah we need to think maybe different we were to creatively about which tools or which just waited tools we
00:40:36
use i know in the server room vouchers is probably dirty word um but you know in syria
00:40:43
i was uh when i was lost i was quite sceptical of cash and quite supportive of our troops
00:40:49
because well vouchers were somewhat less efficient in terms of the proportion of the total value
00:40:54
that they deliver big did you have additional protections in terms of due diligence
00:40:59
yeah and um it made it it made it possible for me to say
00:41:03
with a straight face to to our inspector general or to congress that
00:41:08
oh we know which businesses are getting money uh we know who are working with
00:41:13
something i couldn't say about a test program in an apartment and so
00:41:16
um we we may need to think about how we calibrate the tools to the rose um
00:41:23
you can you know do don't and sends you and uh you know your wrist sense when we're one uh we're looking at the most
00:41:29
uh we how we balance intact versus due diligence um and uh
00:41:33
you know cotton barman aura of our environments are are smaller
00:41:38
i'll be the the point oxfam annoyance of martin made on the the
00:41:43
simplistic relationship or simplistic assumptions between budget share an hour it's
00:41:50
that is really the fundamental issue or one of the fundamental issues
00:41:54
a catcher is is is uh you know we we have
00:41:59
got new point works with one question than assumed that the the major un agencies
00:42:05
should also control most of the money within their sectors yeah and um
00:42:09
i think what what we're seeing is that that doesn't inherit we have to be the
00:42:13
case and uh the fact that an agency has a mandate up for particular
00:42:20
oh oh particular population or particular era a particular set proletariat
00:42:25
doesn't necessarily mean they need to control the resources or the preponderance of the resources within that area or the
00:42:31
dollars resources must pass through their hands and so i think um it begins cast begins to segment somewhat
00:42:38
what the actual functions are um previously to sort of what has happened with newspapers where the
00:42:45
older is newspapers had there are there are classified ads financed um they're they're reporting
00:42:52
s. o. s. d. you forgot the model for un agencies is
00:42:56
a little bit like that that are their their program
00:42:59
other their their program um budgets up to somewhat finances so slow as a
00:43:05
lot of other things that they do and those other things have value
00:43:08
but uh not budgeted wraps as clearly as they could do yeah and uh yeah and
00:43:13
cast begins to put a spotlight on that as does the transparent
00:43:17
as to the transparency commitments underground bargain and i did you
00:43:21
we need to move toward the different dialogue about what are the what are the
00:43:24
core functions we're talking about here and how do they each get finance
00:43:28
and where is that enable them to be more transparent yeah i'm more grown maximise them thanks
00:43:36
hence last but not least uh matthew a covering for a call
00:43:42
thanks very much in the absence all of into the uh just train briefly address the questions
00:43:47
a lot has been said on the the question of risk that uh to uh to mitigate the risk
00:43:53
i i think the key point we d. is that there is a risk there's a risk with
00:43:57
any type of the systems that we do but i think we need to be realistic
00:44:00
that that means that i don't think the fact that there's reese should mean that we stop
00:44:05
doing eh cash based assistance and i think the basic the individual that is probably small
00:44:12
it's probably more when you have that acting all for all the cancer something that that that you
00:44:16
the big problem when you also futurists within kind
00:44:19
so let's be realistic database there is risk
00:44:23
yeah but don't let it stop was doing insistence that let's also as
00:44:26
as jeremy saturday role that's that i mean something will happen
00:44:30
so let's let's be sure that we can actually have a story and a a way to address that so it doesn't get out of
00:44:36
hand and put a stop to to catch based assistance which would
00:44:40
be a major shame in terms of the the the architecture
00:44:45
i think we have to recognise also caches of the data to a we're not looking at
00:44:50
something completely different the existing aid architecture is also
00:44:54
quite a it the existing coordination mechanisms
00:44:58
it's like that and it needs to be more nimble it's not that we need to
00:45:01
be more nimble for cash i think it needs to be more nimble of itself
00:45:05
so i think we we need to maybe not think that cash is the is the main reason
00:45:11
why we need to to add changes to the eight architecture may need to be changed anyway
00:45:16
and and finally on the power issue eh um
00:45:22
i i really don't see that that the power is related to the
00:45:25
delivery likewise the proximity to benefit trees which we discussed earlier
00:45:30
i don't see that that's that that's the issue i think the the real decision making about
00:45:36
you know who gets the assistance but that that assistance is achieving the impact
00:45:40
that's what makes it possible for an organisation as well as the points that were mentioned about reputation and all that
00:45:47
those are the points make it important and a he for
00:45:52
a organisations to get the a.'s with governments and actually
00:45:56
had influence it's not because they're coming in with the big amounts of money it's because they actually have
00:46:01
have something to to do in terms of defining where it is should go
00:46:06
properly targeting properly assessing properly you know getting that feedback loop to make sure things
00:46:11
are actually going without echo as a donor often ends up maybe financing
00:46:16
five percent of a program sometimes we end up financing on the presenter program
00:46:22
our influence it doesn't seem to to their you but it's like present or doctor percentage
00:46:28
so it's it's i think we need to get away from this idea that we need to be delivering
00:46:33
in order to actually be able to have a voice and say something sense that assistance um so i think that leave it at that
00:46:43
thank you uh i quite ten minutes uh that's more than what i does fall and us all
00:46:49
i don't have much to say but to but uh there could be planted east and uh

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Opening
Nigel Timmins, Humanitarian Director, Oxfam International and Chair of CaLP Board
28 June 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Formal Welcome
Manuel Bessler, Assistant Director General and Head of Humanitarian Aid Department, SDC
28 June 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Looking to the future : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future: Social Cash Transfer in Response to Ebola in Liberia
Gabriel Fernandez, National Social Protection Coordinator, Liberian Government
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future : MasterCard perspective
Ian Taylor, Vice President, Business Development, Government & Public Sector, MasterCard
28 June 2017 · 10:12 a.m.
Looking to the future : International Relations perspective
Jennifer Welsh, Professor and Chair in International Relations, European University Institute and Senior Research Fellow, Somerville College, University of Oxford
28 June 2017 · 10:30 a.m.
Q&A - Looking to the future
Panel
28 June 2017 · 10:37 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Panel introduction
Ben Parker, Senior Editor, IRIN
28 June 2017 · 11:08 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Sri Lanka experience
Sithamparapillai Amalanathan, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management, Sri Lanka
28 June 2017 · 11:10 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Turkish experience
Orhan Hac?mehmet and Jonathan Campbell, Resp: Coordinator Of Kizilaykart Cash Based Assistance Programmes, Turkish Red Crescent - Deputy Country Director, WFP, Turkey
28 June 2017 · 11:21 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Zimbabwe experience
Abel. S. Whande, Team Leader, Cash Transfer Program, Care International in Zimbabwe
28 June 2017 · 11:36 a.m.
Operational Modalities : UNHCR experience
Waheed Lor-Mehdiabadi, Chief of Cash-Based Interventions, UNHCR
28 June 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
Q&A - Operational Modalities
Panel
28 June 2017 · 12:01 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling up Cash in East Africa: Nisar Majid
Nisar Majid, Independent Researcher, Consultant and Visiting Fellow, Feinstein International Centre, Tufts University
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : ADESO perspective
Deqa Saleh, Cash and Social Protection Advisor, ADESO
28 June 2017 · 1:46 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : WFP perspective
Ernesto Gonzalez, Regional Advisor for cash-based programmes, WFP Bureau for Central and Eastern Africa
28 June 2017 · 1:52 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Relief International perspective
Alex Gray, Global Humanitarian Director for Relief International
28 June 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Q&A - Scaling Up Cash In East Africa
Panel
28 June 2017 · 2:06 p.m.
Significant Updates : Panel Introduction
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28 June 2017 · 2:33 p.m.
Cash Barometer and community perspectives of CTP in Afghanistan
Elias Sagmiester, Programme Manager, Ground Truth Solutions
28 June 2017 · 2:35 p.m.
First long-term trial of a Universal Basic Income, Kenya
Joanna Macrae, Director, European Partnerships, GiveDirectly
28 June 2017 · 2:44 p.m.
Changing from a pipeline to a platform
Paula Gil Baizan, Global Humanitarian Director Cash-Based Programming, World Vision International
28 June 2017 · 2:51 p.m.
Grand Bargain and GHD cash work streams
Emily Henderson, Humanitarian Adviser, DFID
28 June 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Panel introduction
Thabani Maphosa, Vice President for Food Assistance, World Vision International, World Vision US
28 June 2017 · 3:39 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : ECHO vision
Androulla Kaminara, Director, DG ECHO
28 June 2017 · 3:42 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Office of Policy and Resources Planning's vision
Paula Reed Lynch, Director, Office of Policy and Resources Planning, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
28 June 2017 · 3:49 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Norway vision
Ingunn Vatne, Minister Counsellor and Head of the Humanitarian team, Permanent Mission of Norway in Geneva
28 June 2017 · 3:58 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : DFID vision
Patrick Saez, Senior Adviser, Humanitarian Policy and Partnerships, DFID, UK
28 June 2017 · 4:08 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Centre for Global Development vision
Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow, Centre for Global Development
28 June 2017 · 4:22 p.m.
Q&A - Donor Perspectives
Panel
28 June 2017 · 4:39 p.m.
Closing Remarks
Alex Jacobs, Director, CaLP
28 June 2017 · 5:27 p.m.