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chris telling kong then so so it with the focus we have no on
okay so it's clearly we're we're hearing about single contracts ninety same
ratio and efficiency how do we ensure the involvement of local
actors to reach the and oh another grandpa goal of twenty five
percent of the funding going to local and national actors
i thank you all sit there is no no okay i uh exclude from belief international my question
was are and uh it was to the food and uh i'm a popsicle as well
uh uh you you mentioned that you choose a intimate department based on comparative advantage and value for money
and you know i do agree that that's the approach that we should go to 'cause the sector
and when it comes to the you know you mentioned that that might be
the private sector but how what have what how would you define
value for money or what would what would you look for in terms of value for money in that respect because cost dimensions when i was
on the on of course is obviously one thing but it doesn't really determined value that's you know more of the the money is
yes i know that woody from a constituent your thoughts you know uh we
spoken a lot about effectiveness about asks each about a efficiencies this is
fifty now of a cash cash answer programming i'd like to challenge a bit i speak
about ethics and principles uh so my question for you from the donors perspective
what advantage does the private sector has over n. g.
o.s and that the classical actors and uh
and the sector and julia many chains principles still play a role in this new equation
and the second question is what kind of guarantee his criteria are
vetting process would you don't as asked from the private sector's
to justify a ah that he i still protecting the fundamental principles
that protect our mandate our work in our mission thank you
my my question one b. s. has that one yeah yeah so i i married
they say here that there is an more interest for funding more cash programming
and but if we take a page from the private sector changing
that business not oh requires investment so if we don't put
money into it we will never manage to like cheese essays nick
change that we're planning to achieve so my question is
and when you're thinking of allocation of resources and the
efficiency ratios and all that the considerations how are you planning to resource that change that you want to see
so working yep them so lost
yeah i'm just sort of one sort of a a flag first which is the
the capacity um okay some analysis pieces incredibly
weak across lots lots of sectors them
and the for for us to make informed decisions are unhealthy
sketchy because of them but uh what about that
humanity rips in shelter plus the um but my question is that a lot of the discussion on it
has been touch from below the discussion is sort of putting 'em all what about giving but it's getting money all giving
items well actually a lot to the the real benefits come
from the plus and so my question to you is
given that we need to this past effected um and you
want to change the world the delivery efficiency fantastic
fully agree that there's there's a lot that can be done it over when you look at that
um oh discussion around a competition uh else all seen cost efficiency
within public service is a lot of countries as maybe
the the quality of service is actually going down because of
the these element of competition you know lowering caustic searcher
hello in there um landscape how do we then ensure that the plus is well funded
even if that plus is expensive and how do we start having the discussion of
if we talk about percentages of overheads percentages money how much
is all right for that last calls healthy mitchell
the plus is the bit that has the impact has uh uh the l. comes that we want to thank you uh a
then some ah courtney sent that underlie has to go to the airport and uh
i wanted to give you an opportunity to respond very fast before
she leaves a so well thank you and uh um
a very very quickly is straight jacket up the talk the talk it i'm not
dead or alive we have to get yeah it's way we wanna go
so um there is flexibility and there is also reality
or whether or not in a particular situation
we can do and go to catch already indicated that it says situations out of
the question zero it's not gonna be it would be a good time
and local partners i don't really have a very good answer
for you but that is something that we're actually
looking into uh also from because side because i i am very much where we have
to do much better for that but um right now i don't have a
um i meant a very good answer value for money again eight one of the aspects that we
look at it and i i maybe i i said it's and many times that the contact
medium people really but quality also like this and it's uh
i actually i'm focused on that in my presentation
when we were looking at the guidance we we hoped to
be able to say that in in re big
a cash transfers we we would like to see that ninety percent of the farms actually get to
the individuals so so that you get to the when the fish is this is not on
but that does not mean that we're going to sacrifice
meaningful interventions in order to get to that
that's way ideally uh we want we want to um to be
any situation allows it that's what we would like to see
ethics and international humanitarian law and the the
involvement of the uh private sector
i think the one of the things that came out very loud and clear out
of the work humanitarian some it was that it is not no longer possible
just for the uh traditional dollars to convert the humanitarian meat and
and and and making it possible for others to camille including the
private sector was one of the objectives uh um so um
the private sector is not by definition that h. b. which is
which obviously i think was the angle of the question however
when we humanitarian double rows and no finance through
the private sector we should absolutely uh
call sign that that international humanitarian law in how we how do we do that is thirty two
so i don't see any international humanitarian law will be challenged by the fact that
the plus of pressing the button for the transfer of the fall of the of the finals select
save my g. f. m. is not a new agency and it's a private telecoms operator
changing the business model requires investment i was just in uganda seven
mentioned three four days ago when the refugees are registered
they giving a bank account even though they may not get cash plants
why are they giving a bank account because the uh one of
the banks there has a has a very good registration system
yeah baby have huh and this to that having and financial inclusive video
all of these new refugees come you potentially is a market for
whether or not they they use it for huh those that use those
bank account it doesn't matter big given those bank accounts will zero
so it's not always business models change we've asked pain for it
but uh if this is like i can't find that
potentially it's good for the yeah for the business if they're more open minded with respect to the movie
and i just want to finish it damn way but that because that was also but
giving what effect is with the compaq specifically we just pick three cases stuff sedan
how can we do uh i mean we we did this thing eighteen
in kind in situations way or even actual people sometimes so
we can't do that somalia we heard the panels o'malley some ideas different international and
agency different ambition and use 'em agencies have access to different i
what are we gonna tell them you will have to come together and into a
big contract and then deliver would not the situation on the ground is not
does not allow us to do effective humanity when difficult and so we
look at the context so in all of these things it's not
cash you know ah you know under at all cost it's not
cash against your international humanitarian law it's not cash again
all the other things that we have so much debated and put
in place or something yes but if the situation allows it
we would like to see efficiencies increased we would like to see this nineteen chairman a ah
yeah a ratio of delivery
uh and this is where we want to follow if the situation
thanks very much an excuse me i have to catch a flight my colleague can uh take any other questions
thank you and uh thank you for the time
ah ah understand you'd like to respond
sure i mean
alright uh show them use frozen a polo please uh if well
i think a lot of the questions were interesting i
finally i mean
yes we can you proceed
oh okay
are you it's all very much
a lot of
i will proceed
i think we don't
rather than a bit away also go ahead yeah our and saying thumbs up a member
um so uh i i would i would totally agree with what andrew was
the um on there's no inherent reason why business and ball and
uh yeah and in just a lover isn't inconsistent with
friends or response i think you'd easy watched carefully
uh and masterfully but this potentially towns are all else well
but in of all true but of all un agencies uh and the n. g. o.s
um in the end uh an oversight technical advisory as opposed to
as opposed to deliver essentially again i don't know if
that's the exact way things work and outbreak those are the sorts of questions that we need to be posing
um and it's important that we keep our eye on the ball when it
comes to humanitarian principles as we engage new actors in this who are
steeped again the sort of traditions on the sword was
working the the uh the we're used to um
on the the the point on market analysis that's extremely important why you know
i would totally agree that it's very we across many seconds right
now and this is something that when i was a u. s. a. i. d. we were quite oh record sees with the site
that to do cash effectively to do any kind of program effective way that interacts with the economy you
need to have good market analysis not economic analysis
and that's not something that i think traditionally
humanitarian actors have invested in um w. p. does some of that
um and the world bank is quite good at that
beyond that you know most most actors most angelos
it's it's a mixed bag things like the emergency mark a um
market mapping assessment tool the i'm a tool is very important um
yeah it's tended to sit with uh no i wouldn't sector not necessarily another stuff and so we we do need to really
oh our game enhance our capacity you as a as a as
a system on market analysis else's tools yells out because
otherwise you end up essentially just using cache responsibly using cash income
the way rather than really excited when a targeted when
value for money user to use a term weaker thrown around a lot as the last
one or many uh it's a term we're thrown around a lot through rather
a lot of other donors during around to i'm not sure we are really good definition yeah what
we mean by that um or queer way that we're going to measure that and um
getting better tools better metrics for what we mean by sessions be what we mean by
value for money we don't have a good way right now to compare um
the effectiveness of a different actors of only efficiency different
actors as funding modest funding uh implementation mechanism
we don't have freeways either rules of necessarily uh doing apples
to apples comparisons on just personal digital programming model
is now i think we need to we we need to investing in and around others well thanks
thanks and uh oh no please thank you sorry for interrupting let's quite alright thank
you very much a so it's good to listen to jeremy first anyway um
been doing that for many years we were in a in a humanitarian salon together before she came into government and the
the involvement of businesses and ah i any issue if humanitarian principles i think
it's important to focus on the outcomes there and to make sure you looking at
the protection related outcomes because most assistance does have a protection related i can't
in a forced migration situation so it's really important to look at that
and i don't think that it's impossible for businesses to train themselves if
they're really going to be the ones looking at the outcomes
i'm i'm not sure that the right next or maybe maybe businesses do a part of the
being there well in doubt to do and then i mean g. or somebody else that knows protection looks at the outcome
i think there are different ways of setting it up so that you don't end up putting the wrong actor in the
position where they send it in competent to do something and
i would say during mention the world bank they are
mm usually involving themselves in a lot of forced migration situations particularly
protracted and they've undertaken in a men's self training ah
i think they're they're doing lots of training you're inviting lots of people in to talk
and they're reaching out and i think a doing a hell of a job in getting
themselves ready to look at a part of the ah the whole scheme on
development if you think of development as including humanitarian assistance which some do some don't but let's say it does
they haven't looked at that before because it's been to ah too difficult to risky now they're starting to
think about doing that because the risk is to development if they don't do it so there
they've uh i think taking on quite a quite an enormous task i think it doing it well
probably speaks well that other other entities can also figure out how to do what they do right now um i think i
certainly the issue of i getting economic analysis
done on markets is is very tricky
and you can get conflicting i. analyses to set that has to be something
that we take very seriously and i would not advise probably a humanitarian organisations
right you get themselves that behind that now i can be hard now
i'm with three with v. guide to pay several
comments they caches threatening to the humanitarian system
that may be true and let's say it is true i think that means that they say
a good argument then to go slow enough bitchy figure ah
who is being threatened by why and why and it the threats that are stupid right
you toss off to the side you say no we're going forward but they're gonna be some threats that are meaningful
and it had to do with the beneficiaries or with the host communities that are important to pay attention
to you and so those need to be thought through and that's how we get back to you
it caches in for every every place in every time it's not for every circumstance and you have to
pay attention to what's going on and who the people are you talking about not not talking
and yeah i just wanted to comment on um on the
yeah bandwagon commitments uh another dishes and also on the
i need for investment in in order to change the system either business model um
they are as as we all know there are potential conflicts between affair effects of commitments within the grant writing
and for example um between fifty make my thumb and you might funding
um that can be in conflict with our commitments on cash roundup levitation that with uh it
just lays down from norway side where already appetite yes for um yeah my funding
but we're still working t. to improve myself on that and also on providing multi yeah i found him
i think that getting an idiomatic funding t. uh organisations to give them the
necessary flexibility to make the necessary changes and we asked on ice
she'd worked uh in the garden and governing bodies off a a format
stations that we are members stuff like yeah like the un augmentation
and a comment i yeah it on a funding on your
mike funding at various if trash uh i grant writing
catfish workshop in her own and what's that proposal that
that don't exchange fanned quite a nation of cash
share donna's chiffon quite nice enough cash but not necessarily
at your mike funding actually being directed in t.
the augmentation speculative budget and thereby funded so then we wouldn't be in in conflict with the
with the grand bargain commitment on and you're mighty but it but i think i need to remember
that we have that commitment as well and we're not about to go in the direction of mark your mac funding
however as i thought in my presentation from now my side
we are willing to invest in a specific i
project to taft new models in a specific context is that despite channel um
well i guess by channel approach um so we see that in some
cases it's might be useful or necessary to actually having my targeted
uh approach to you to invest in in change but that would be
an exception and not a change in action no ah approach
uh and then just the final i comment on on the issue of uh of targets and uh now i haven't
had a target on ah how many percentage half i have fifteen should begin in front of cash uh yeah
faith to some degree because we're not able to measure how much they actually get in cash flow
but i don't think we necessarily shade that from i five style i think yeah that's the
implemented i should be able t. t. the fact again if if in fact they provide
and cast fashion time unkind but for us and that wouldn't
i really make much fans ask the system works now
if thank you um so joe's question around um choice of about this except rap or in the
case of lead on we've gone for a cool fall proposal for more um traditional papas
um but in different we have the possibility to got to turn
the uh much more broadly into into the private sector
provide those in the um if necessary i think it's it's very important that we clarify
for which which function functions we're using which type of documents of uh for
the reasons that that i've been the duty to in the questions as well but
definitely would be able to to include to approve the prior to problems um
i think that the scary or off the couch program will have a lot of influence
in terms of the choice of all that that we go for for each
type of function um the
but the lady from islam has been so one one also difficult question but um but pockets um
of course talking some not set in stone and then not a legally binding um
but i think they're useful in terms of pushing all souls as institutions to
think more about why we're not doing couch and to challenge all
souls um i think a mention in defeat we would
to have a talk at but we also couldn't measure uh how much cash we
we found so we are changing all systems to be able to to do
that um and i think that the talk of sort of been
mentioned to the top of the world vision when she's very uh ambitions
um all those all around thirty percent will fall below him so
all of them or below what actually we think could be delivered a catch so i don't think that that
challenging and um of thing but but they're good work
to keep us focused on making progress um
it was a question from christine on uh the involvement of local actors
um i mean first of all again no or interaction with phones
is going to be delivered three couches that was perfectly rueful look
and act as the thing that look like actors will have
to play a crucial role in terms of um the curve softer functions
that enable a cash and that actually monitor the impact of cash
owned by the fisheries because their proximity to um
to affected populations and and beneficiaries um
value for money is um a term that we use a lot and if it um
just to reassure you that cost effectiveness is not does not quite quite funny for
me for for us some value uh is very much part of that equation
things like speed and quality all part of our internal definition for
for money but i would agree that we probably need
a kind of system wide um definitional east broad agreement
what value for money means um ethics and principle
i'm very much of the sensible concerns um
the value added of the private sector and the private sector will have to demonstrate
what the what the value is but it's different to in terms of
specific skills and expertise in certain aspects of the delivery of
cash um and also specially cost even though they they
don't looking to make a profit of us as we
heard um but potentially because of the existing infrastructure
um lower costs for the actual transfer of cash and that's why
i think it's important to the sec okay between functions because
when we're talking about are separating of the functions that have to do
with assessment and monitoring it subtracts precisely to ensure that the right
people all being rich uh with cash and that there is no other interference and
i know that there are checks and balances work you mention principles all or um
or one of the cool things that we we need to to look at
investing in contrast to um yeah out allocating resources to
to build capacity including on the market analysis
i would agree with that that it's it's probably one of the the
things that are a very slow in progress down the moment um
i think that
we need to have a conversation between don't isn't agencies us to
costing basically those various functions around catch i don't think we
we have reached that point yet where we can actually cost
separately the most of the functions um separate from
the actual transfer of cash uh uh uh i think it'd be very
useful to to do that together um but i also think that
collectively uh uh i go back to to my point about making that decision
we need to actually individually and collectively we need to um decide
what were we want to have as individual organisations in this area
and therefore what capacity would need to implement that i'm i'm
we would need to agree you what the system wide
uh functions or and market analysis i think uh is typically you
one of those cross cutting um functions that today's no taking place as of
cross cutting system white activity isn't very much skew toward certain sectors
oh and and their form know really what we would expect in terms of market
announces no but you know in order to device um it could catch program
thank you uh the questions that you're going to take
can they be very brief e. yeah you
the only britain forced him individual who from format there so according to prod also also for
one of us is the ten percent to ninety percent for michael uh into a deficiency
i don't think inquest to put a different level uh also risk adverse vocalisation
and um if i mean yes in the blue there's always
something 'cause before it's experiences also this with the version
a truck all format trusses it's not less costly but if you have like 'cause programming with maybe
on the doesn't work with possibilities weeks or maybe billy bunny countries can be much higher
and i'm just wanting to also think about a little the whole
four course functions in some areas workers can use them
no one people in this organisation there's a certain risk involved i wonder
if there has been an before going into kind of ensuring consistency
this is also for what's most cops what it's all these buttons
thank you very much a lawyer he projected from which ah so three years ago and jenny there
we had a similar meeting in which we talked about the transformer did nature of cash
and reflected on the pressure that cash with but on the humanitarian system and today there does
seem to be some acknowledgement that the united tearing quite nation architecture really hasn't then
as little as flexible ah as we would have hopes
that would allow us to really absorb cast programming
especially multipurpose casper banning and patrick mention the challenges we
have in getting cash reflected in humanitarian response plans
so i'd like to know concretely what actions you think should be taken to ensure that the humanitarian quite nation
architecture not only really uh adapts to the cast caleb
but also as jeremy mention these to maximum impact
and i'd also like to know whether you think that transformation can come from with then
or whether it's a male external pressure and interference perhaps is required
and if so where would this come from thank you
thank you know saying is also an n. t. is try saying the the one of the
the issues he is uh um and the reactions basically say the ethnic and racial
is it we still have a very simplistic uh um uh some surround
the mass money we have we process equals method how we have and that if we is anyone
individually agency have less money coming from book search engine up our our interests ah a legitimacy
uh no no spot shots morning by uh get real finance comments on how it but it's it's a little bit a
few minutes you know when when there's a need for a bit more humidity between us agencies in this debate
as tame as you say the privileged position of hearing what we say publicly that will say here with bilateral charts
i wonder what what mere useless hole that's the the inferences say
okay what are the ass she's behaviours that has we need out some nice being what it is about to discuss
um what different forms of power might use emergence this business is on a couple of myself
i'll say a little bit a little the applicants more to say on this uh just guessing ah i think adam
it would be a lot easier demanded as the it into the show to question first
i think it would be a lot easier to comment on how the
humanitarian coordination architecture should change in order to adapt it cash
if there were widespread agreement on what the cash should look like
and i don't think with their yet and i think there there are some very strong views and there's a lot of shared
vision about the fact that it could be a whole lot more than it
is but there are a whole lot of things to take into consideration
and until we have a little bit more ah changeable idea of what
we're really you mean yeah i think it probably would be ah
difficult impossible and unwise to try to say okay this is
how we're gonna change the immature information architecture itself
even though you made had a meeting at three years ago i think probably get a little bit time to wait on that one um
i think humility is a really good idea um i think agencies actually involved in mentoring is is is often on
for a very very very long time and i've gone through a whole lot
of changes with different organisations and i think the one of the biggest
most difficult things is the biggest challenge is to do the work inside
the organisation at the same time you're talking to other organisations
and that's extremely difficult to do so for example if the u. n. h. c. r. unicef and the
other international organisations they gotta deal with the donnas they have to deal with their own partners
have to deal with their own staff and then they have to deal with each other and it's a law it's it's
it's it's much easier for a donor to decide this is how we're gonna go
and it's a lot harder to get the whole un system or the whole humanitarian system to go along
yeah somebody suggested that maybe we just don't do it through you and and well i don't know i i think that's a real
i'm likely prospect i think the humanitarian assistance need
be kind of global framework that the un provides and that includes the standards that i talk
to buy it includes principles that includes the international lots out there it it works
anyway i'll stuff 'cause i know there's probably only thirty seconds left or something
anyway i think it's it's unlikely to think that we should uh invasion
huge changes in the un system but that maybe just i'm burdened by a lot of uh
a lot of experience in doing
should thanks now nah run through the panelists and don't ask uh huh for
just five minutes extra from you if it's okay uh thank you
thank you i want definitely not take one i don't have a lot of answers to all these very difficult question
uh and the uh insurance afraid to um i think there are a um
i didn't uh a lot of it that interesting presentation slightly by insurance company through right
on on with can ensure and that in humanitarian assistance in particular choice natural disasters
but also an armed conflict but i haven't really heard any yeah anybody talk
about a a a a cash in that context i think yeah
there's some interesting developments that um that we should keep an eye on and perhaps that take advantage of when it comes to him
t. quite nice and uh i think from hi-fi we would actually i really
liked if the um the issue of where quite a nation fit
uh with and assistance thought thought that week it made on uh i did take a fine that uh
perhaps it would be easier if we knew what it would uh it should look like but
um that's the only thing they uh it it it would be important to actually
and maybe away from that rather fragmented and heated discussion um
he should coordinate done them and actually um i be
certain that in actually maintain contact there would be quite nation
about baptists strategic level and at the technical level
thank you um but we haven't also insuring against perversion brits but um
differently uh the risk of diversion is the uh and uh uh as we've
heard it's probably low uh uh in the different constant bending calling
bought it upset that this so there's an issue perception but there's also
an issue of the risk being difference with with cash transfers um
i think what's important is that we continue to dialogue around
those risks will be or how they all evolving over time as well as was caleb catch
uh and also what medications we or um to get
a uh implementing to to address those risks um
we often been cash transfers in very high risk environments so there is some
level of uptight for is taking a on the down side but that
dialogue is essential if we want to prevent a backlash uh um don't want
to create a as was kind of a cash in terms of
she merchant coordination and she merchant architecture uh i would agree
with four i think would be very useful to have
oh yes he turned the conversation about but it's um it's
it's still not very clear from where i say where the recommendations
of the will point to the i. o. c. on on
coordination of college uh have a um let to a room so it would be very useful to
to have some feedback from the ideas young but um but i can we do have
good examples of how things can be done differently i'm thinking too clearly rock uh on the phone about
that was a a separate uh um chop so i think a point and a separate budget might
uh and those would be minimal requirements in more if you you know to to to be able to the
lip of multipurpose catch 'em through the existing system basic
since the the existing system is not making those
small adjustments then but it's very difficult for us to to
consider continuing multipurpose catch 'em through through that mechanism um
okay that difficult question around a power and influence um
i know it's worth reflecting earlier on when when when he talked about
um protection and you know going to challenge governments about uh
about rights uh uh back to my time as um protection correlation
for for the s. l. c. in various complex and
actually that resonate to the lot with me it's it's true that you know it
it yields inference if you have a a b. program um also worked in
in in countries where wouldn't happen um so i think there are
other factors that that you you influence your mandate um you know uh
professionalism and and the impact that you haven't been fisheries um
we all know actually shall i mean with with this
idea of separating uh functions are we on
not uh uh actual fundamentally challenging mondays oh uh
the power uh within the system oh
uh the roles and responsibilities of of the system on the
country i think we are trying to green falls
the value of humanitarian agencies within the sector but i think that having a rule that has to do with
i'm assessing a needs deciding who gets
cash monitoring the impact of cash and communicating on that you'll see quite a lot
of our own potentially more power than a a bunch humanitarian agencies no
but um i think all started matthew
please quiet for a while
he's waiting for the five
the highlight
yeah yeah yeah alright yeah okay alright i'll go ahead of the us most remote stuff up
so on the the question about over and sanctions concerns up
i don't know if there are specific concerns from your site side
uh on on cash per se but i do think that
the political profile o. o. o. cast yellows is different in in ways that might
get more attention from of that um i think as with any uh
as with any new program high risk environment it used to be
at the forefront of of the minds of implementing partners um
yeah we need to think maybe different we were to creatively about which tools or which just waited tools we
use i know in the server room vouchers is probably dirty word um but you know in syria
i was uh when i was lost i was quite sceptical of cash and quite supportive of our troops
because well vouchers were somewhat less efficient in terms of the proportion of the total value
that they deliver big did you have additional protections in terms of due diligence
yeah and um it made it it made it possible for me to say
with a straight face to to our inspector general or to congress that
oh we know which businesses are getting money uh we know who are working with
something i couldn't say about a test program in an apartment and so
um we we may need to think about how we calibrate the tools to the rose um
you can you know do don't and sends you and uh you know your wrist sense when we're one uh we're looking at the most
uh we how we balance intact versus due diligence um and uh
you know cotton barman aura of our environments are are smaller
i'll be the the point oxfam annoyance of martin made on the the
simplistic relationship or simplistic assumptions between budget share an hour it's
that is really the fundamental issue or one of the fundamental issues
a catcher is is is uh you know we we have
got new point works with one question than assumed that the the major un agencies
should also control most of the money within their sectors yeah and um
i think what what we're seeing is that that doesn't inherit we have to be the
case and uh the fact that an agency has a mandate up for particular
oh oh particular population or particular era a particular set proletariat
doesn't necessarily mean they need to control the resources or the preponderance of the resources within that area or the
dollars resources must pass through their hands and so i think um it begins cast begins to segment somewhat
what the actual functions are um previously to sort of what has happened with newspapers where the
older is newspapers had there are there are classified ads financed um they're they're reporting
s. o. s. d. you forgot the model for un agencies is
a little bit like that that are their their program
other their their program um budgets up to somewhat finances so slow as a
lot of other things that they do and those other things have value
but uh not budgeted wraps as clearly as they could do yeah and uh yeah and
cast begins to put a spotlight on that as does the transparent
as to the transparency commitments underground bargain and i did you
we need to move toward the different dialogue about what are the what are the
core functions we're talking about here and how do they each get finance
and where is that enable them to be more transparent yeah i'm more grown maximise them thanks
hence last but not least uh matthew a covering for a call
thanks very much in the absence all of into the uh just train briefly address the questions
a lot has been said on the the question of risk that uh to uh to mitigate the risk
i i think the key point we d. is that there is a risk there's a risk with
any type of the systems that we do but i think we need to be realistic
that that means that i don't think the fact that there's reese should mean that we stop
doing eh cash based assistance and i think the basic the individual that is probably small
it's probably more when you have that acting all for all the cancer something that that that you
the big problem when you also futurists within kind
so let's be realistic database there is risk
yeah but don't let it stop was doing insistence that let's also as
as jeremy saturday role that's that i mean something will happen
so let's let's be sure that we can actually have a story and a a way to address that so it doesn't get out of
hand and put a stop to to catch based assistance which would
be a major shame in terms of the the the architecture
i think we have to recognise also caches of the data to a we're not looking at
something completely different the existing aid architecture is also
quite a it the existing coordination mechanisms
it's like that and it needs to be more nimble it's not that we need to
be more nimble for cash i think it needs to be more nimble of itself
so i think we we need to maybe not think that cash is the is the main reason
why we need to to add changes to the eight architecture may need to be changed anyway
and and finally on the power issue eh um
i i really don't see that that the power is related to the
delivery likewise the proximity to benefit trees which we discussed earlier
i don't see that that's that that's the issue i think the the real decision making about
you know who gets the assistance but that that assistance is achieving the impact
that's what makes it possible for an organisation as well as the points that were mentioned about reputation and all that
those are the points make it important and a he for
a organisations to get the a.'s with governments and actually
had influence it's not because they're coming in with the big amounts of money it's because they actually have
have something to to do in terms of defining where it is should go
properly targeting properly assessing properly you know getting that feedback loop to make sure things
are actually going without echo as a donor often ends up maybe financing
five percent of a program sometimes we end up financing on the presenter program
our influence it doesn't seem to to their you but it's like present or doctor percentage
so it's it's i think we need to get away from this idea that we need to be delivering
in order to actually be able to have a voice and say something sense that assistance um so i think that leave it at that
thank you uh i quite ten minutes uh that's more than what i does fall and us all
i don't have much to say but to but uh there could be planted east and uh

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Conference program

Nigel Timmins, Humanitarian Director, Oxfam International and Chair of CaLP Board
28 June 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Formal Welcome
Manuel Bessler, Assistant Director General and Head of Humanitarian Aid Department, SDC
28 June 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Looking to the future : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future: Social Cash Transfer in Response to Ebola in Liberia
Gabriel Fernandez, National Social Protection Coordinator, Liberian Government
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future : MasterCard perspective
Ian Taylor, Vice President, Business Development, Government & Public Sector, MasterCard
28 June 2017 · 10:12 a.m.
Looking to the future : International Relations perspective
Jennifer Welsh, Professor and Chair in International Relations, European University Institute and Senior Research Fellow, Somerville College, University of Oxford
28 June 2017 · 10:30 a.m.
Q&A - Looking to the future
28 June 2017 · 10:37 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Panel introduction
Ben Parker, Senior Editor, IRIN
28 June 2017 · 11:08 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Sri Lanka experience
Sithamparapillai Amalanathan, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management, Sri Lanka
28 June 2017 · 11:10 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Turkish experience
Orhan Hac?mehmet and Jonathan Campbell, Resp: Coordinator Of Kizilaykart Cash Based Assistance Programmes, Turkish Red Crescent - Deputy Country Director, WFP, Turkey
28 June 2017 · 11:21 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Zimbabwe experience
Abel. S. Whande, Team Leader, Cash Transfer Program, Care International in Zimbabwe
28 June 2017 · 11:36 a.m.
Operational Modalities : UNHCR experience
Waheed Lor-Mehdiabadi, Chief of Cash-Based Interventions, UNHCR
28 June 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
Q&A - Operational Modalities
28 June 2017 · 12:01 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling up Cash in East Africa: Nisar Majid
Nisar Majid, Independent Researcher, Consultant and Visiting Fellow, Feinstein International Centre, Tufts University
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : ADESO perspective
Deqa Saleh, Cash and Social Protection Advisor, ADESO
28 June 2017 · 1:46 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : WFP perspective
Ernesto Gonzalez, Regional Advisor for cash-based programmes, WFP Bureau for Central and Eastern Africa
28 June 2017 · 1:52 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Relief International perspective
Alex Gray, Global Humanitarian Director for Relief International
28 June 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Cash Barometer and community perspectives of CTP in Afghanistan
Elias Sagmiester, Programme Manager, Ground Truth Solutions
28 June 2017 · 2:35 p.m.
First long-term trial of a Universal Basic Income, Kenya
Joanna Macrae, Director, European Partnerships, GiveDirectly
28 June 2017 · 2:44 p.m.
Changing from a pipeline to a platform
Paula Gil Baizan, Global Humanitarian Director Cash-Based Programming, World Vision International
28 June 2017 · 2:51 p.m.
Grand Bargain and GHD cash work streams
Emily Henderson, Humanitarian Adviser, DFID
28 June 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Panel introduction
Thabani Maphosa, Vice President for Food Assistance, World Vision International, World Vision US
28 June 2017 · 3:39 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : ECHO vision
Androulla Kaminara, Director, DG ECHO
28 June 2017 · 3:42 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Office of Policy and Resources Planning's vision
Paula Reed Lynch, Director, Office of Policy and Resources Planning, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
28 June 2017 · 3:49 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Norway vision
Ingunn Vatne, Minister Counsellor and Head of the Humanitarian team, Permanent Mission of Norway in Geneva
28 June 2017 · 3:58 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : DFID vision
Patrick Saez, Senior Adviser, Humanitarian Policy and Partnerships, DFID, UK
28 June 2017 · 4:08 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Centre for Global Development vision
Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow, Centre for Global Development
28 June 2017 · 4:22 p.m.
Q&A - Donor Perspectives
28 June 2017 · 4:39 p.m.
Closing Remarks
Alex Jacobs, Director, CaLP
28 June 2017 · 5:27 p.m.

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