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thank you so great it's it's really fantastic to uh to be able to join sorry
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for the technical difficulties but well we've got we've got them that's sort of um
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i i've been asked uh it's interesting i'm on the donor panel because of course
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i'm not a donor anymore so you you could say i have a donor
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informed perspective without it being a a donor exactly um but
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that may make me a little more um i
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can build a more controversial perhaps than i would've been able to be a few months ago of um
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i so i i think this is a hugely important usually timely discussion um
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and i don't need to tell this group that cash programming is one the most exciting and potentially transform it to
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and disruptive interventions that's it humanitarian world and yeah and quite some time
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and the question of how to scale it up further is very much on the donors mind
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obviously it's something that uh that the donors law committed to through the grand bargain
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there was quite a lot back and forth on how to how to word that um every precisely word of language
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that we ended up using anagram bargain can then and um yeah i i i i think all that back and forth was
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you know in part because it it is a a it is a threat
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and there's a risk in some ways that we need to really begin grappling with as as a commentary community
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it is cute there's huge potential but that disruption makes a threat
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um and uh and so i wanna talk about i wanna talk about
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that a bit um i also wanna talk a bit about how
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how we view that when i was a i. d. and um both the potential
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of limitations other some of that i think it's been covered by the channels
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as well um so i'll be quick on that i think you we need to be
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careful with some of the cast evangelism uh certainly with any within the us context
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uh there is recognition of the potential for cash but also a lot of focus on the limitations of it
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and uh the more we have an honest discussion on that i think the more traction
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this discussion this dialogue gets with any us uh within us context
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about it when i was a id we actually had total flexibility
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within the office i ran to use cash when appropriate
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um there were no we're there within the u. s. d. a. budget there was no
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we're marking up by sector no remarking by population no we're marking a bike tool
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so where it makes sense to use cash we have freedom to use cash and where it didn't
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uh we had freedom to use other tool i think that's the ideal setup as um as one of the others set up
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ultimately we're not talking just about increase cash we're talking about
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increase in fact and um what we want is for
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each donor appreciation see to have greater flexibility to
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choose the most appropriate tool and when that's cash to be very for leaning in using cash
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um and we don't want to remake the error we've traditionally
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made with with tidy aid which is you set
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added owner capital of particular level of assistance or particular tool and then
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force the field to find a way to use that um but the the power of caches that flexibility is um
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cash is the threat cash is that right so the way we normally do things and i mean that in the most positive sense
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um but i think we need to also reckon with that as we
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figure out how to scale but because it starts to disrupt
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a lot of the traditional ways we've done things in ways that will put people on the defensive
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put institutions on the defensive and so this question of how we scale cash is in part
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like a question of how we navigate the politics how
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we navigate the institutional equities the institutional crowded as
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um of the actors who were pressing to make greater use of this tool
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and it it it starts to were those lines very fundamental ways
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it i'm patrick just on this in his remarks as well
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i i it starts to call and a very fundamental question
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the institutional roles that we've traditionally uh relied upon as the core the matter in architecture
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it calls into question the way we have traditionally defined assistant sectors within the humanitarian architecture and that's
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a very good thing i uh you know there's those sectors in those institutions or not
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uh received on don't have what's from from uh from some very they are
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things we've bill and um and if they if they don't fit what
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we need then we need to look at that we need to re examined but that's a painful process in a difficult process and um
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yeah and uh and we need to we need to recognise those institutional realities
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and challenges as we as we figure out how we scale this tool
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cash also calls into question the normal division of labour both within and between
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the big agencies so your traditional model for for executing a program
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whether it's of a un agency or an n. g. o. the it's sort of a
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judge jury and executioner model uh the e. agency will generally conduct the assessments
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carry out the program implementation and carry out the monitoring of the impact
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for that program and the very cause well it's very close look
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um it doesn't have much transparency to it it doesn't
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give much voice or agency to the affected population
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we catch programming call that the really fundamental question because it gives a lot more agency
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to the affected population to the end user is you will of of the assistance
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um but also doesn't have to rely on agency for the execution so
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if you're going to do a test program particularly a multipurpose catch program do you need that to be run
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by angie uh do you need that to be run by un agency
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you don't necessarily uh you could look to private sector actor
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uh to you go to a contractor you go to a bag and
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so i it starts to put into focus what is the real
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you know what are the core value as of the different institutions with them system insert into redefining
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so you know maybe we're we're going maybe the way a feature here is we don't
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need the un agencies anymore to deliver cash we need the un agencies to
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conduct assessment to conductor to oversee assessment to develop strategy
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to advise on targeting and then hand off the actual delivery to another actor
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um i'm not saying that's where are necessarily going but cash capturing that into um
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the cast puts that question on the table in a way we haven't seen quite so starkly for
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uh like what is this the evaluation an oversight need to rest with
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the actor doing the delivery uh not necessarily and maybe better if it doesn't and by
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segmenting some of these functions the potentially a introduces greater transparency into the system
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cash also uh uh it's threatens the the normal power distribution that
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we we have within minutes and system so rather than
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the uh the aid agencies having the prince of role
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in defining needs and prioritising which needs are addressed
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it sure saw that our to the the end users of the system to
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the affected population and that's a good thing but it's very uncomfortable
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uh for for the the traditional ways that we as as
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humanitarian operators of of work and so i think
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what we're seeing in heaven on a couple of the others uh a couple the other panelists already touched on you that that is
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the political and institutional struggle to adapt to a
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very disruptive tool and that's a good thing
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but i think it's gonna be a painful process and we need to make sure
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that we're looking at cash yeah well not just as a uh
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not just as a matter of this is good programming therefore it will happen but um to grapple
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with what this what this means in terms of institutional prerogatives and how we need to address
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uh institutional roles and responsibilities in a new way of thinking about
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those new way in order to really itchy scale on cash
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cash is also rest in ways that were just beginning to um
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we're just beginning to grapple with and i think that is a big constraint to scale potential uh
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it's a risk because i'm gonna talk a bit about things that were very much on my mind when i was working on the donor site
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um it's a risk because there are different perceptions different tolerance levels about diversion when
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it comes to cash that i think we are used to within kind
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so when i was managing us assistance program syria um you know we
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would occasionally have attracted mattresses be diverted the still in awe and
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it would be worth maybe five to ten thousand or something i mean so we would report that to the user inspector general
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um and we would get on with life and generally that was not seen as a particularly you know seen as
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part of the normal risk of operating then barman didn't get anyone's um
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it can get anyone to worry because what is that that guy's going to do with the budget matters
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cash would be a very it would play very differently in that scenario so if um if instead
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the story was well we were you know we had five or ten thousand
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dollars in cash get diverted to um to group a very bad guys
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the political resonance so that it can be very different than any cooler value in kind it
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and i'm a firm believer that the risks of the version with
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cats are actually dramatically lower than they are within kind a
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for a whole host of reasons um the logistics are easier the you you don't you don't need to
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be moving large volumes of stuff it's it's easy to steal or volume stuff but then um
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you have to hack into a a digital distribution system or something like that but the rest exist cash and um i
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think we need to we need as a community as we're thinking about scaling up the more we scale attach
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the more we inevitably raise the risk that at some point one of these programs will be corrupt will go wrong
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and uh yeah and and there will be a very bad story in the daily mail
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or another or another newspaper um about cast programming going it's pouring bad guys and
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how are we gonna see how are we going to re obvious that respond to that um how
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are we going to maintain confidence because i i think that the the the the the temptation
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of people who like to demagogue eight on on on on a good day
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but the temptation wants them to demagogue back kind of diversions can be very very great d. um
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we need to also uh educated public more on why this is lower is
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um educated only the donors and empirically congresses parliaments more on what
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this is lower risk and build more buy in there because
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the big you know a big cash scandal will come and if we don't have a good answer for it
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we can develop a good compelling narrative around then i think it's going to really put the endeavour rose
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i'm finally i've been asked to talk a little bit about where i think this agenda is headed in the
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us under tramp and this is where it's useful but that i'm not important us government anymore ah
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so i can be very frank oh i you know
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it there's a lot of uncertainty uh i think the the trump administration
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with the neutron campaign did not come in office with that particularly
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developed set of policies on on him and turned vision development
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um the the incoming us eight administrator who i hope we
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will be confirm soon is very good sensible person
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i it he he is a a great guy for that job and will be a good
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leader for the agency um and i think it's someone who is amenable to being persuaded
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um that this sort of programming is a is a good responsibility business
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so i think with with the leadership us a idea i'm i'm pretty optimistic there
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um i think there's a big there's big uncertainty of a budget levels so um there's a real push for right now
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between what the white house is seeking in terms of humanitarian assistance and what the congress has been a
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supporting in congress so far as the winning an argument um there was a very strong appropriation
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of funding for two thousand seventeen um we will see what
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happens in two thousand eighteen but the indication so far
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our that congress continues to strongly support a smattering response programming and gold programming
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and it's counsellor it's the budget not the white house at the end of the day but there is a
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lot of uncertainty because of the enormous that's the raw instructions so that was that was something to watch
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uh in terms of how can make the case you get the there's a high premium right now on efficiency
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and uh in the administration and so if you look at some of the documents that have
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come out of the way as budget officers that looking at government reorganisation and reform
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they wanna they want to hear about duplication what here about fish and say they want
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to find ways to stream on what we're doing cash cash as a great story
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cash is much more efficient cash does streamlined uh
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in challenge to put institutions and um
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there is a a something i worked on before last day i see uh the
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office of two two peas and the osbournes asked assistant didn't really teach
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time on how we could better on our our own efforts driven by this
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sort of question driven by the fact that thing tools like catch
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we're calling into question why we need a full office uh not losses
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and um there are rumours now that the administration may take it for and may merge those
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two offices um i don't have any particular inside information i'll obviously but i think
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a great idea and i think that's the sort of you know that's sort of institutional
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we think that we as a community should be doing you know our our
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the question to us is not how do we make cash fit within your architecture
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but rather how do we need how how how does the eight architecture
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enable maximal impact and if we're finding of what cash is doing is
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forcing us to run with the fact that our institutional architecture does not enable maximal in that
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then we should be asking some pretty tough questions about this the shape of that architecture
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and that's what we were trying to do between a lefty and food for peace
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uh towards the end of the abominable distraction then we'll see where that goes on the trial um uh but
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efficiency arguments arguments mon around reducing duplication i think are powerful
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ways um to resonate with with uh this administration
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i think we also need to just think about how we talk about something catches an ideal term
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and and that's not you need to try out i think just in a minute us context
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cash conjures up images of sort of throwing dollar
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bills um l. population and doesn't really reflect
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the the regular and the professionalism without this tool is
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been deployed so thinking about uh emphasising um
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and with x. market driven the market responsive nature this kind of
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programming i'm talking about it in those terms and maybe
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trying to come up with a new shorthand even if that would make help uh have to change the acronym ah
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uh would be we would potentially be helpful uh
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to foster better intuitive understanding what the sort of programming actually is
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um i think i'll stop there but happy to happy to take questions and and

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Conference program

Opening
Nigel Timmins, Humanitarian Director, Oxfam International and Chair of CaLP Board
28 June 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Formal Welcome
Manuel Bessler, Assistant Director General and Head of Humanitarian Aid Department, SDC
28 June 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Looking to the future : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future: Social Cash Transfer in Response to Ebola in Liberia
Gabriel Fernandez, National Social Protection Coordinator, Liberian Government
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future : MasterCard perspective
Ian Taylor, Vice President, Business Development, Government & Public Sector, MasterCard
28 June 2017 · 10:12 a.m.
Looking to the future : International Relations perspective
Jennifer Welsh, Professor and Chair in International Relations, European University Institute and Senior Research Fellow, Somerville College, University of Oxford
28 June 2017 · 10:30 a.m.
Q&A - Looking to the future
Panel
28 June 2017 · 10:37 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Panel introduction
Ben Parker, Senior Editor, IRIN
28 June 2017 · 11:08 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Sri Lanka experience
Sithamparapillai Amalanathan, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management, Sri Lanka
28 June 2017 · 11:10 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Turkish experience
Orhan Hac?mehmet and Jonathan Campbell, Resp: Coordinator Of Kizilaykart Cash Based Assistance Programmes, Turkish Red Crescent - Deputy Country Director, WFP, Turkey
28 June 2017 · 11:21 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Zimbabwe experience
Abel. S. Whande, Team Leader, Cash Transfer Program, Care International in Zimbabwe
28 June 2017 · 11:36 a.m.
Operational Modalities : UNHCR experience
Waheed Lor-Mehdiabadi, Chief of Cash-Based Interventions, UNHCR
28 June 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
Q&A - Operational Modalities
Panel
28 June 2017 · 12:01 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling up Cash in East Africa: Nisar Majid
Nisar Majid, Independent Researcher, Consultant and Visiting Fellow, Feinstein International Centre, Tufts University
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : ADESO perspective
Deqa Saleh, Cash and Social Protection Advisor, ADESO
28 June 2017 · 1:46 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : WFP perspective
Ernesto Gonzalez, Regional Advisor for cash-based programmes, WFP Bureau for Central and Eastern Africa
28 June 2017 · 1:52 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Relief International perspective
Alex Gray, Global Humanitarian Director for Relief International
28 June 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Q&A - Scaling Up Cash In East Africa
Panel
28 June 2017 · 2:06 p.m.
Significant Updates : Panel Introduction
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28 June 2017 · 2:33 p.m.
Cash Barometer and community perspectives of CTP in Afghanistan
Elias Sagmiester, Programme Manager, Ground Truth Solutions
28 June 2017 · 2:35 p.m.
First long-term trial of a Universal Basic Income, Kenya
Joanna Macrae, Director, European Partnerships, GiveDirectly
28 June 2017 · 2:44 p.m.
Changing from a pipeline to a platform
Paula Gil Baizan, Global Humanitarian Director Cash-Based Programming, World Vision International
28 June 2017 · 2:51 p.m.
Grand Bargain and GHD cash work streams
Emily Henderson, Humanitarian Adviser, DFID
28 June 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Panel introduction
Thabani Maphosa, Vice President for Food Assistance, World Vision International, World Vision US
28 June 2017 · 3:39 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : ECHO vision
Androulla Kaminara, Director, DG ECHO
28 June 2017 · 3:42 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Office of Policy and Resources Planning's vision
Paula Reed Lynch, Director, Office of Policy and Resources Planning, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
28 June 2017 · 3:49 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Norway vision
Ingunn Vatne, Minister Counsellor and Head of the Humanitarian team, Permanent Mission of Norway in Geneva
28 June 2017 · 3:58 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : DFID vision
Patrick Saez, Senior Adviser, Humanitarian Policy and Partnerships, DFID, UK
28 June 2017 · 4:08 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Centre for Global Development vision
Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow, Centre for Global Development
28 June 2017 · 4:22 p.m.
Q&A - Donor Perspectives
Panel
28 June 2017 · 4:39 p.m.
Closing Remarks
Alex Jacobs, Director, CaLP
28 June 2017 · 5:27 p.m.