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you know what's he's actually thanks um yeah yeah i kind of wanted to ask the next question
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all day i've been struck by this questionnaire affected yes and in
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particular caches ability to provide coverage and potentially the protection of
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the people that we elephants are actually thinking they think all the well matched on a little bit you can convince me
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so i ask you maybe just quickly go down the line and or for that's the one answer it you know
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kinda like scaling up cash insights allied scale emergency it's we have a nice
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oh yeah and in fact come politically and socially complex place you is it links how kind cash solve
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a or many problems if you could just let me know what do we will probably take
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yeah hash in semi itself and then what is the key ingredient in order to
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be able to make that have to be able to make that happen
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as that idea for ah i'm sorry go the first thing that popped into my head
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so the the key problem of uh well i mean i think uh often cash
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i mean we mentioned before that the uh is um uh you know the use of mobile technology you
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know in some of the uh i think a lot of people are for my there's another context
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quite often are surprised to hear just how much that's used and what
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percentage of value transactions actually good from mobile phones and absences
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physical catch 'em much more so than even some developed countries
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uh so i think the the prop one of the problems is
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getting is the time is getting cash to um to beneficiaries
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uh any more timely manner and uh and more protected way
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because i've been able to distribute large amounts of cash
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um carries with about security risks and protection asks for um especially
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you know we're targeting women um female headed households except rubber grips
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um but having a mobile phone um in a very simple mobile phone is something that i'm you can chose a
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transact on ah a really which is is uh the protection missus was obviously that's that's one of the problems
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um what is the in place to make that happen a contrary to uh_huh
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uh uh i mean i do firmly believe that we need a um
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uh one payment platform but when i see it i mean it depends how you define platform i would i would say
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that one system there is the solution because that's not gonna work in every context i mean that's the real
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uh there's many different mechanisms that um are more appropriate for different contacts in one country
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and therefore do we i would see a is that what we need is a one payment network
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um so if we think about the chemical system you know there's there's
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many different for mechanisms that exist and i'm sure with technology
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it's gonna uh increase the diversity of the different types of mechanisms that
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can provide cash to people uh and again encouraged to see that
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you know some of its use in this remote also that exact uh
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i'm from active service providers as well the you to the
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you know are getting mountain discussing how might best work you know there's this
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concept of our humanity implements network where the act as i can
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aggregates are uh and a programmer i'm back and i can follow this
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together and be that can program between the humanities sector and private
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sector so i'm college to see those diplomats just come forward like
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that's the type of solution that can address that particular problem
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i hate yeah yeah and yeah so i think i would echo what i'm just saying
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the use of technology and in particular am about many trance face and so that
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and reduces the risk to a pen for she's accessing those funds
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and wait and able to access a has been fisheries when was the
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fact it if we can't physically be there distributing a a
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cash but i would i do that and the you had said something like that is there's a lot of risk in
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he'll cash transfers but i think it's there's a lot of risk in any transfer resource
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so and just make that point but and i don't know i
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still feel that one i think digitised is it's them
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and would could wake because in a place like some on it that
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doesn't have a a former allies start proper and national id system
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we could have one system that had a uh you know multiple
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limits to address that to divide the itself different populations
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affected populations and and also ensure that there is some sort of a social occasion because
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a lot of the times when where especially one where
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working like a retained uh refugees alrighty piece
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and they treated as a as a social bait and there was a communities and so
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letting them have access to something like that happen like that would enable to
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that than to receive the fines and then integrate into society by
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and making payments of rent if they're this housing available and and accessing the market directly
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and rather than being put in cans and it would actually work out cheaper but i know i know
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this isn't gonna happen now but this is something that we could think about for the future
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that i don't have a particular leave solution i mean one uh_huh
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i'm not close enough to the field kind of response that are having one one thing that
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we observe in some of the work that we've done an i. d. p. camps
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is have local populations themselves to receive money use some of that money to buy the protection
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part of the the the allocation of whether that's what the forced to do
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but also possible
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well what about effective it right i i think i i as one it mentioned it before
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there are many ways of measuring effectiveness depending on the outcome to select from security financial inclusion
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local economy ah when it comes down to don't appear to work in the region
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we are achieving moderate improvement input acutely outcomes but basically the limiting factor
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could is the transfer size as long as we continue to transfer
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money for people to buy just you impulses all install which is according to in kind basket
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we cannot expect major difference it puts it to that comes however
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when we look at the all their outcomes and let me just talk about
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the impact on the local economy and even though it's it's in
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it's like a different context in refugee camps in uh in rwanda and
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uganda we conducted a study with the university of california babies
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or in calculating want to find a movie pair effect when been interviewed you receive that cash
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and they spend eat in accessing products and services with a host community ferris these uh oh
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uh effect of well the dignity by in effect in the one that we owe found
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out that for each call about them if he injects in the refugee camp
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in the tank limit the rate using the whole community there's an additional fifty cents
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from fifty cents to an additional one dollar thirty generated through
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exchange of one one is is it changing hands
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i mean you rather than would be perfect is even bigger because
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there is the the latter faked refugees have access to land
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and that dollar from them if p. generates add up to one point fifty additional
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so oh i said that you know these are in a crisis situation is a
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protracted operation but i do believe that those would be perfect takes east
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in in in most of the cases where a cash based transfers are taking
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i thanked everyone to write thing to my talents yeah um i think making a
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handy affects you i mean if you have questions on this first yeah
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well maybe five
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hum with yeah thank you very much less from danish bitchy cancelling my question is frantic
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yeah yeah both in the two thousand eleven response and now we about d. base
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access to coming to seattle spoke to what a handset was commenting on
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and actively on a television and it's as you said there was there was some questions run rest
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some wondering if you could just talk about the difference between two thousand eleven
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now um how you see this risk of a television and and uh
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i think they keep doesn't get lockers what impact that can happen in cash programming
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hi my name is heather this is so come to west african origin focal point for the caching partnership
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um thank you very much for quite presentations it's quite striking worth coming from west africa
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house seem yeah sorry assuming that can be this change saying in some area and in
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nigeria at the moment and it's interesting to see that's from what i understood
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all of you are an enter stuff thinking to the press then session
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uh not pushing but at least the supportive of the wine platform telling free motel
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when we see that in both can she seems like nothing is rated
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yet to get there we are in acute imagine si situations
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and what we see in nigeria what fifteen saying and fortunately for yes now
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is that there is a huge tension between trying to push for this but there that is
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probably at the end what we allow us to put a chi sets scale
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and the immediate situation which would probably require very local and then he sees
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very local identification that's who we say service provided that
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is available to just deliver cash and deliver assistance
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i was so really appreciated that this uh presentation on the role of
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local activists and the fact that there's so much duplication and
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and such a station have head in medical leave also met for nigeria and
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some citizens or in some i. s. o. getting your views on that would be very helpful
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hi caroline hold from uh from kelp and thank you for your
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presentations alex i was quite struck by your determination too
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remove collaboration coordination in terms of uh the mistake uh maybe that christine had made when she introduced you
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i'm ready what would need to happen in our scenario to strengthen coordination know what the role p. of improve coordination
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yeah it matisse from from echo uh on the effectiveness point uh i remember seeing it the
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results of the study on nutrition and cash the i think it was last year
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eh earlier this year and um the control groups those who received double demented cash
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was much more respective uh effective response so i think it to it shouldn't
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the the point that you made a nice job that they sometimes the inventive of
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funding is actually too little to actually had a really effective response that
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that was okay mention that particular study and now the other question i had was or the question i had
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was really are and the use of how well the agents we happened unless that nested in in the
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in what the the panelists said i haven't heard much about the impact of the
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use of a lotta asians uh on the data response abetted that has
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has caused any any concerns uh because we have heard quite a lot about
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uh the the risks inherent in using such systems it's not something that was menu with
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uh in the european context and lots of other countries and there
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is a certain suspicion justified or not as to whether
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that would lead to additional missed some we provide cash so
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i'd be interested in hearing the panels you point on
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i would put the extent to which that is used understanding it's used quite quite a lot and and that's not a context
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but i would be interested to know what that doesn't impact particularly on the on the constants which we can uh
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uh the confidence we can have been in the security opted to transfers
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sure we all what's
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well one and then we'll do it
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uh thank you thanks all the plans for uh i'm i'm texan insights uh alexandre
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shocks um um i really appreciated the points are from you and i still
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on um seeing retail their engagement strategy
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uh i think it's really important when trouble cash plus ah okay
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these catch feasible we know that markets have to be functional
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um but then looking at the added value of working with local treat
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is with retail is trying to our encourage this f. environments
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in which sessions to uh will be feasible and them i'm trying to such shoddy added value
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of this on the long term so thing we have very limited uh evidence of oh we'll talk about multiple effects
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for example nothing you provided tool to examples of these are
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multiple effects and um so i think we should
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all the organisation should i'm going that direction but also investing a bit more money
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in terms of monitoring these additional are points that points off infected
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uh him so we feel for example off our budget proposal using little
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twenty or fifty different small treat is is going to be
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more expensive probably than using just one big ah provider but the
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unix as opposed to fix amenities aunt off infected him
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so um would be useful says reports i'm also disseminate distort
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organisation that often boards to lots of monitoring thank you
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thank you very questions and i think maybe artistic particularly jet directly to have it on the first attempt that
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on a diversion and means and they should be keepers have different is the situation look now and then
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and i think they're in any context is always gonna
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be gatekeepers and and issues of a risk of
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of that vision and they still that that issue in in some idea and but at least now
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in in twenty eleven that was uh
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many n. g. o.s and many donors were very and reluctant to go into the use of cash
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it was what are we going to use are not but now it's more about and
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cash is the answer in in most contexts but what how we going to
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do this and and and the the issue of uh you know
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new innovations and taken logical advancements like mobile money transfer um
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which is kind of overtaken that you said helena agents
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and so i think those those go way to ah and
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reduce that risk of that vision because it's hitting that
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the mobile phone off the beneficial exactly but i think we need to focus more on uh
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the type of thing and the registration and she's to make sure that we're not registering
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and inappropriate and fisheries on ghost beneficiaries and so how would
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we be able to do that i think again
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using and the the the presence and existing pass these
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off the the look on national and use
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and there are present on the ground for example i think a difference in
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that is that the capacity off look on national insurance even though
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and some of them have been sidelined during this response i believe that that they can pass the as increase
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and since that last response days even and i can
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slutty and off itself formed can sighting of local
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and national n. g. o.s who have that formed uh in and use represent all three zones off
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of somalia so imagine semi lined us up to quite
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state that and usually the government is on it
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be involved in anything to do with the the other reasons but the the
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actual uh the national act is that we can have reached out to
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the act is in the other sounds and say come on we we need to be
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able to that you know we have the solution to respond to this crisis but
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they have also been my actually sidelined and ignore it but they have and i
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think they have uh the best capacity to and respond to this crisis and
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i guess uh increase effectiveness and and efficiency because if you think about nine to use it
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in season they're often a huge overheads and the multiple lay it's so how to
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the dollar how much is actually the g. reaching that those men fisheries
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answered your question
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i would you like to take the question about what nation versus collaboration are
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had to be at cal ahead of the better it a quick meeting
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it's so um
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uh i i just i i've you know we've from uh incorporation a mate
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you know we or understand that's important but it's it's can be referred going 'cause it gets into ages of monday
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and uh especially earn cash so um we try to
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distinguish between uh because i think you know
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we all understand you know the benefits of correlation in terms of you know preventing duplication and ensuring
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um that information sharing and uh the most media we
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stick searcher um but um for however and um
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i think the collaboration
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i i think that is quite the existing corporation architecture instructors
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i'm usually on one of the issues that we usually can can when a
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crisis happens and you know that was we store with the catch
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coordination and somalia ah for this one it it came it because the crisis there had to be it's give up
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it kicked an analytic of those but the like before that came online and
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now it's you know doing fantastic work but it's connected to catch up
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um so there's a meat you know if if if if you manage your actors were more collaborative in peacetime
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uh our when there wasn't a uh are there wasn't as great
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a crisis ion emergency but morgan of a stress times
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um you know we believe that there would be um stronger preparedness efforts
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and there would be um strong work collaboration in terms of
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things like uh the the the current corporation architecture doesn't there are
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um so um your data sharing agreements uh it's very important
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i'm getting together and kind of you know this this idea of collecting collective bargaining power
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um harmon nice approaches and tools uh um
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you know uh and there's also inches around close inclusive the team how deep you can go to
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to really truly localise uh and i see that there's challenges with that
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with existing a court emission mechanisms so i would say that um
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yeah and and and that's kind of what we're looking uh as the can of c. c. d. platform at the moment is her oh
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how can we try to address some of those collaboration is is it doesn't
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fall within traditional chord emission architecture and strengthen it from uh and
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um and again i'm not gonna go to have i think corporations should change the
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think collaboration goes beyond a correlation that respect because it's also of a
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um partnerships and it's reaching to nontraditional um humanitarian actors you know reaching up
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to private sector such as well and i think that the collaborative space
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that's how i would define a a as being a little bit more than
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just uh what we know to discord emission does that answer your question
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if i might stand next to my commitment of all gonna responsive what's on the hole was our
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and this kind of one that holds like julia that yes it just a couple uh_huh think
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put it knowledge the stress of the whole wireless system the whole developments
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of cash programming in somalia has evolved because of the reliability
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and uh trustworthiness of the whole about a two thousand eleven most
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of the uh cast response went through a lot of organisation
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and i think the problem with the other organisations is more because they don't have the the
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the kind of develop systems that are compatible with our uh kind of financial accounting
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uh will but the or marks or if not the most trusted organisations working on so i think you have to
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the the the the issue is really having worked with a wall of the kind of relationship
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capacity building that you do with them just to make sure the sensuous complicated organisations
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to make sure as well that they or west fully of their responsibilities and with skill levels
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so i think that's something that that that it's uh that can be worked on but in principle that they're reliable as well
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but i think that also kind of looks up with your point over there about the different platforms in somalia and
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and that you know the rod if there are three major uh uh mechanisms for
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distributing cash at the moment one is a little bit he's got program
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one is through one giving action one estimable money technologies and those are all kind of uh uh
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maybe it's useful to have different ways of accessing different populations with anyone preferences in different areas
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and the debate he's got that will also works as a registry as a registry as well not necessarily
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only as a way to deliver right so i think the important thing is how to make sure that their uh
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there was a move towards developing a common database so that to avoid duplication
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that the dog biscuit systems was understand it still means that you can
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then the little your cash through different all three of those modalities
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a little comments on or did that
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meeting et cetera et cetera and ah stands question or comment that um
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i read digits to like them uh i have an extra or
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well just to confirm that in in in beat it these
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are relatively new area for for for many of us
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what if i the first we had a a investment i
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saw was by oxfam into doesn't on eleventh responding today
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the drought in kenya to kinda up before believing cash advance it these retailers
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need a hundred dollar all one of ground for them to restock how
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so it is new it's push those at least only phoebe shouldn't be you won't know what i would comfort zone
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and the challenge that we have so far is that when we all understand the value
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chain there's so many into points to make that change apply to more effective but
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we need to identify what this might just investment we east where the important that
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we put us organisation would translate into the best value for for for beneficiaries
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so uh so far in in in these regional oh we only do we need uh oh
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e. no i'm in in kenya opinions also done where is that
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in ethiopia so we have not produced some of those
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but the evidence that that that you're referring to um what are typically that's that's the way we we want to move forward
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it's not useful
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i think with any final comments on anyone
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no one ever yeah i mean i may have one that's anything 'cause you know we
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we talk about um i wondered if it can be the elephant in the room
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curved to the receiver you know after the words meant to someone we you know we we
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realise the need to be a shakeup in the system module and how we do things
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and uh you know some of the there was some intimate runs
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cash and you know like you know we all can catch actors and stakeholders in us um
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and there was i was wondering how are i don't the echo guidelines we're gonna uh
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influence the discussion today and it's you know just gonna want to point out that
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whatever you're trying to change the system i think the you really actually tune each
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that leadership to to to be the provider jewel in order to shake things up and see what falls uh so
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i i do think that it's forced us to have a lot of compositions a lot quicker even though there may be
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um operational implications and uh and concerns around that
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uh i think often you need that joe to have exactly the compositions were having to
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do you know to see that i dunno come about so i think it's
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a positive thing that's brought a lot of this to to crunch point and it's uh
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i think we'll have big changes of the next year that will see father was
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great thank you thanks for the penalties them join me in thanking metallic
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she said that um opportunity in and challenge and then the final remark that expected changers incremental

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Conference program

Opening
Nigel Timmins, Humanitarian Director, Oxfam International and Chair of CaLP Board
28 June 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Formal Welcome
Manuel Bessler, Assistant Director General and Head of Humanitarian Aid Department, SDC
28 June 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Looking to the future : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future: Social Cash Transfer in Response to Ebola in Liberia
Gabriel Fernandez, National Social Protection Coordinator, Liberian Government
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future : MasterCard perspective
Ian Taylor, Vice President, Business Development, Government & Public Sector, MasterCard
28 June 2017 · 10:12 a.m.
Looking to the future : International Relations perspective
Jennifer Welsh, Professor and Chair in International Relations, European University Institute and Senior Research Fellow, Somerville College, University of Oxford
28 June 2017 · 10:30 a.m.
Q&A - Looking to the future
Panel
28 June 2017 · 10:37 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Panel introduction
Ben Parker, Senior Editor, IRIN
28 June 2017 · 11:08 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Sri Lanka experience
Sithamparapillai Amalanathan, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management, Sri Lanka
28 June 2017 · 11:10 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Turkish experience
Orhan Hac?mehmet and Jonathan Campbell, Resp: Coordinator Of Kizilaykart Cash Based Assistance Programmes, Turkish Red Crescent - Deputy Country Director, WFP, Turkey
28 June 2017 · 11:21 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Zimbabwe experience
Abel. S. Whande, Team Leader, Cash Transfer Program, Care International in Zimbabwe
28 June 2017 · 11:36 a.m.
Operational Modalities : UNHCR experience
Waheed Lor-Mehdiabadi, Chief of Cash-Based Interventions, UNHCR
28 June 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
Q&A - Operational Modalities
Panel
28 June 2017 · 12:01 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling up Cash in East Africa: Nisar Majid
Nisar Majid, Independent Researcher, Consultant and Visiting Fellow, Feinstein International Centre, Tufts University
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : ADESO perspective
Deqa Saleh, Cash and Social Protection Advisor, ADESO
28 June 2017 · 1:46 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : WFP perspective
Ernesto Gonzalez, Regional Advisor for cash-based programmes, WFP Bureau for Central and Eastern Africa
28 June 2017 · 1:52 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Relief International perspective
Alex Gray, Global Humanitarian Director for Relief International
28 June 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Q&A - Scaling Up Cash In East Africa
Panel
28 June 2017 · 2:06 p.m.
Significant Updates : Panel Introduction
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28 June 2017 · 2:33 p.m.
Cash Barometer and community perspectives of CTP in Afghanistan
Elias Sagmiester, Programme Manager, Ground Truth Solutions
28 June 2017 · 2:35 p.m.
First long-term trial of a Universal Basic Income, Kenya
Joanna Macrae, Director, European Partnerships, GiveDirectly
28 June 2017 · 2:44 p.m.
Changing from a pipeline to a platform
Paula Gil Baizan, Global Humanitarian Director Cash-Based Programming, World Vision International
28 June 2017 · 2:51 p.m.
Grand Bargain and GHD cash work streams
Emily Henderson, Humanitarian Adviser, DFID
28 June 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Panel introduction
Thabani Maphosa, Vice President for Food Assistance, World Vision International, World Vision US
28 June 2017 · 3:39 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : ECHO vision
Androulla Kaminara, Director, DG ECHO
28 June 2017 · 3:42 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Office of Policy and Resources Planning's vision
Paula Reed Lynch, Director, Office of Policy and Resources Planning, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
28 June 2017 · 3:49 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Norway vision
Ingunn Vatne, Minister Counsellor and Head of the Humanitarian team, Permanent Mission of Norway in Geneva
28 June 2017 · 3:58 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : DFID vision
Patrick Saez, Senior Adviser, Humanitarian Policy and Partnerships, DFID, UK
28 June 2017 · 4:08 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Centre for Global Development vision
Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow, Centre for Global Development
28 June 2017 · 4:22 p.m.
Q&A - Donor Perspectives
Panel
28 June 2017 · 4:39 p.m.
Closing Remarks
Alex Jacobs, Director, CaLP
28 June 2017 · 5:27 p.m.