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the people that we elephants are actually thinking they think all the well matched on a little bit you can convince me
so i ask you maybe just quickly go down the line and or for that's the one answer it you know
kinda like scaling up cash insights allied scale emergency it's we have a nice
oh yeah and in fact come politically and socially complex place you is it links how kind cash solve
a or many problems if you could just let me know what do we will probably take
yeah hash in semi itself and then what is the key ingredient in order to
be able to make that have to be able to make that happen
as that idea for ah i'm sorry go the first thing that popped into my head
so the the key problem of uh well i mean i think uh often cash
i mean we mentioned before that the uh is um uh you know the use of mobile technology you
know in some of the uh i think a lot of people are for my there's another context
quite often are surprised to hear just how much that's used and what
percentage of value transactions actually good from mobile phones and absences
physical catch 'em much more so than even some developed countries
uh so i think the the prop one of the problems is
getting is the time is getting cash to um to beneficiaries
uh any more timely manner and uh and more protected way
because i've been able to distribute large amounts of cash
um carries with about security risks and protection asks for um especially
you know we're targeting women um female headed households except rubber grips
um but having a mobile phone um in a very simple mobile phone is something that i'm you can chose a
transact on ah a really which is is uh the protection missus was obviously that's that's one of the problems
um what is the in place to make that happen a contrary to uh_huh
uh uh i mean i do firmly believe that we need a um
uh one payment platform but when i see it i mean it depends how you define platform i would i would say
that one system there is the solution because that's not gonna work in every context i mean that's the real
uh there's many different mechanisms that um are more appropriate for different contacts in one country
and therefore do we i would see a is that what we need is a one payment network
um so if we think about the chemical system you know there's there's
many different for mechanisms that exist and i'm sure with technology
it's gonna uh increase the diversity of the different types of mechanisms that
can provide cash to people uh and again encouraged to see that
you know some of its use in this remote also that exact uh
i'm from active service providers as well the you to the
you know are getting mountain discussing how might best work you know there's this
concept of our humanity implements network where the act as i can
aggregates are uh and a programmer i'm back and i can follow this
together and be that can program between the humanities sector and private
sector so i'm college to see those diplomats just come forward like
that's the type of solution that can address that particular problem
i hate yeah yeah and yeah so i think i would echo what i'm just saying
the use of technology and in particular am about many trance face and so that
and reduces the risk to a pen for she's accessing those funds
and wait and able to access a has been fisheries when was the
fact it if we can't physically be there distributing a a
cash but i would i do that and the you had said something like that is there's a lot of risk in
he'll cash transfers but i think it's there's a lot of risk in any transfer resource
so and just make that point but and i don't know i
still feel that one i think digitised is it's them
and would could wake because in a place like some on it that
doesn't have a a former allies start proper and national id system
we could have one system that had a uh you know multiple
limits to address that to divide the itself different populations
affected populations and and also ensure that there is some sort of a social occasion because
a lot of the times when where especially one where
working like a retained uh refugees alrighty piece
and they treated as a as a social bait and there was a communities and so
letting them have access to something like that happen like that would enable to
that than to receive the fines and then integrate into society by
and making payments of rent if they're this housing available and and accessing the market directly
and rather than being put in cans and it would actually work out cheaper but i know i know
this isn't gonna happen now but this is something that we could think about for the future
that i don't have a particular leave solution i mean one uh_huh
i'm not close enough to the field kind of response that are having one one thing that
we observe in some of the work that we've done an i. d. p. camps
is have local populations themselves to receive money use some of that money to buy the protection
part of the the the allocation of whether that's what the forced to do
but also possible
well what about effective it right i i think i i as one it mentioned it before
there are many ways of measuring effectiveness depending on the outcome to select from security financial inclusion
local economy ah when it comes down to don't appear to work in the region
we are achieving moderate improvement input acutely outcomes but basically the limiting factor
could is the transfer size as long as we continue to transfer
money for people to buy just you impulses all install which is according to in kind basket
we cannot expect major difference it puts it to that comes however
when we look at the all their outcomes and let me just talk about
the impact on the local economy and even though it's it's in
it's like a different context in refugee camps in uh in rwanda and
uganda we conducted a study with the university of california babies
or in calculating want to find a movie pair effect when been interviewed you receive that cash
and they spend eat in accessing products and services with a host community ferris these uh oh
uh effect of well the dignity by in effect in the one that we owe found
out that for each call about them if he injects in the refugee camp
in the tank limit the rate using the whole community there's an additional fifty cents
from fifty cents to an additional one dollar thirty generated through
exchange of one one is is it changing hands
i mean you rather than would be perfect is even bigger because
there is the the latter faked refugees have access to land
and that dollar from them if p. generates add up to one point fifty additional
so oh i said that you know these are in a crisis situation is a
protracted operation but i do believe that those would be perfect takes east
in in in most of the cases where a cash based transfers are taking
i thanked everyone to write thing to my talents yeah um i think making a
handy affects you i mean if you have questions on this first yeah
well maybe five
hum with yeah thank you very much less from danish bitchy cancelling my question is frantic
yeah yeah both in the two thousand eleven response and now we about d. base
access to coming to seattle spoke to what a handset was commenting on
and actively on a television and it's as you said there was there was some questions run rest
some wondering if you could just talk about the difference between two thousand eleven
now um how you see this risk of a television and and uh
i think they keep doesn't get lockers what impact that can happen in cash programming
hi my name is heather this is so come to west african origin focal point for the caching partnership
um thank you very much for quite presentations it's quite striking worth coming from west africa
house seem yeah sorry assuming that can be this change saying in some area and in
nigeria at the moment and it's interesting to see that's from what i understood
all of you are an enter stuff thinking to the press then session
uh not pushing but at least the supportive of the wine platform telling free motel
when we see that in both can she seems like nothing is rated
yet to get there we are in acute imagine si situations
and what we see in nigeria what fifteen saying and fortunately for yes now
is that there is a huge tension between trying to push for this but there that is
probably at the end what we allow us to put a chi sets scale
and the immediate situation which would probably require very local and then he sees
very local identification that's who we say service provided that
is available to just deliver cash and deliver assistance
i was so really appreciated that this uh presentation on the role of
local activists and the fact that there's so much duplication and
and such a station have head in medical leave also met for nigeria and
some citizens or in some i. s. o. getting your views on that would be very helpful
hi caroline hold from uh from kelp and thank you for your
presentations alex i was quite struck by your determination too
remove collaboration coordination in terms of uh the mistake uh maybe that christine had made when she introduced you
i'm ready what would need to happen in our scenario to strengthen coordination know what the role p. of improve coordination
yeah it matisse from from echo uh on the effectiveness point uh i remember seeing it the
results of the study on nutrition and cash the i think it was last year
eh earlier this year and um the control groups those who received double demented cash
was much more respective uh effective response so i think it to it shouldn't
the the point that you made a nice job that they sometimes the inventive of
funding is actually too little to actually had a really effective response that
that was okay mention that particular study and now the other question i had was or the question i had
was really are and the use of how well the agents we happened unless that nested in in the
in what the the panelists said i haven't heard much about the impact of the
use of a lotta asians uh on the data response abetted that has
has caused any any concerns uh because we have heard quite a lot about
uh the the risks inherent in using such systems it's not something that was menu with
uh in the european context and lots of other countries and there
is a certain suspicion justified or not as to whether
that would lead to additional missed some we provide cash so
i'd be interested in hearing the panels you point on
i would put the extent to which that is used understanding it's used quite quite a lot and and that's not a context
but i would be interested to know what that doesn't impact particularly on the on the constants which we can uh
uh the confidence we can have been in the security opted to transfers
sure we all what's
well one and then we'll do it
uh thank you thanks all the plans for uh i'm i'm texan insights uh alexandre
shocks um um i really appreciated the points are from you and i still
on um seeing retail their engagement strategy
uh i think it's really important when trouble cash plus ah okay
these catch feasible we know that markets have to be functional
um but then looking at the added value of working with local treat
is with retail is trying to our encourage this f. environments
in which sessions to uh will be feasible and them i'm trying to such shoddy added value
of this on the long term so thing we have very limited uh evidence of oh we'll talk about multiple effects
for example nothing you provided tool to examples of these are
multiple effects and um so i think we should
all the organisation should i'm going that direction but also investing a bit more money
in terms of monitoring these additional are points that points off infected
uh him so we feel for example off our budget proposal using little
twenty or fifty different small treat is is going to be
more expensive probably than using just one big ah provider but the
unix as opposed to fix amenities aunt off infected him
so um would be useful says reports i'm also disseminate distort
organisation that often boards to lots of monitoring thank you
thank you very questions and i think maybe artistic particularly jet directly to have it on the first attempt that
on a diversion and means and they should be keepers have different is the situation look now and then
and i think they're in any context is always gonna
be gatekeepers and and issues of a risk of
of that vision and they still that that issue in in some idea and but at least now
in in twenty eleven that was uh
many n. g. o.s and many donors were very and reluctant to go into the use of cash
it was what are we going to use are not but now it's more about and
cash is the answer in in most contexts but what how we going to
do this and and and the the issue of uh you know
new innovations and taken logical advancements like mobile money transfer um
which is kind of overtaken that you said helena agents
and so i think those those go way to ah and
reduce that risk of that vision because it's hitting that
the mobile phone off the beneficial exactly but i think we need to focus more on uh
the type of thing and the registration and she's to make sure that we're not registering
and inappropriate and fisheries on ghost beneficiaries and so how would
we be able to do that i think again
using and the the the presence and existing pass these
off the the look on national and use
and there are present on the ground for example i think a difference in
that is that the capacity off look on national insurance even though
and some of them have been sidelined during this response i believe that that they can pass the as increase
and since that last response days even and i can
slutty and off itself formed can sighting of local
and national n. g. o.s who have that formed uh in and use represent all three zones off
of somalia so imagine semi lined us up to quite
state that and usually the government is on it
be involved in anything to do with the the other reasons but the the
actual uh the national act is that we can have reached out to
the act is in the other sounds and say come on we we need to be
able to that you know we have the solution to respond to this crisis but
they have also been my actually sidelined and ignore it but they have and i
think they have uh the best capacity to and respond to this crisis and
i guess uh increase effectiveness and and efficiency because if you think about nine to use it
in season they're often a huge overheads and the multiple lay it's so how to
the dollar how much is actually the g. reaching that those men fisheries
answered your question
i would you like to take the question about what nation versus collaboration are
had to be at cal ahead of the better it a quick meeting
it's so um
uh i i just i i've you know we've from uh incorporation a mate
you know we or understand that's important but it's it's can be referred going 'cause it gets into ages of monday
and uh especially earn cash so um we try to
distinguish between uh because i think you know
we all understand you know the benefits of correlation in terms of you know preventing duplication and ensuring
um that information sharing and uh the most media we
stick searcher um but um for however and um
i think the collaboration
i i think that is quite the existing corporation architecture instructors
i'm usually on one of the issues that we usually can can when a
crisis happens and you know that was we store with the catch
coordination and somalia ah for this one it it came it because the crisis there had to be it's give up
it kicked an analytic of those but the like before that came online and
now it's you know doing fantastic work but it's connected to catch up
um so there's a meat you know if if if if you manage your actors were more collaborative in peacetime
uh our when there wasn't a uh are there wasn't as great
a crisis ion emergency but morgan of a stress times
um you know we believe that there would be um stronger preparedness efforts
and there would be um strong work collaboration in terms of
things like uh the the the current corporation architecture doesn't there are
um so um your data sharing agreements uh it's very important
i'm getting together and kind of you know this this idea of collecting collective bargaining power
um harmon nice approaches and tools uh um
you know uh and there's also inches around close inclusive the team how deep you can go to
to really truly localise uh and i see that there's challenges with that
with existing a court emission mechanisms so i would say that um
yeah and and and that's kind of what we're looking uh as the can of c. c. d. platform at the moment is her oh
how can we try to address some of those collaboration is is it doesn't
fall within traditional chord emission architecture and strengthen it from uh and
um and again i'm not gonna go to have i think corporations should change the
think collaboration goes beyond a correlation that respect because it's also of a
um partnerships and it's reaching to nontraditional um humanitarian actors you know reaching up
to private sector such as well and i think that the collaborative space
that's how i would define a a as being a little bit more than
just uh what we know to discord emission does that answer your question
if i might stand next to my commitment of all gonna responsive what's on the hole was our
and this kind of one that holds like julia that yes it just a couple uh_huh think
put it knowledge the stress of the whole wireless system the whole developments
of cash programming in somalia has evolved because of the reliability
and uh trustworthiness of the whole about a two thousand eleven most
of the uh cast response went through a lot of organisation
and i think the problem with the other organisations is more because they don't have the the
the kind of develop systems that are compatible with our uh kind of financial accounting
uh will but the or marks or if not the most trusted organisations working on so i think you have to
the the the the issue is really having worked with a wall of the kind of relationship
capacity building that you do with them just to make sure the sensuous complicated organisations
to make sure as well that they or west fully of their responsibilities and with skill levels
so i think that's something that that that it's uh that can be worked on but in principle that they're reliable as well
but i think that also kind of looks up with your point over there about the different platforms in somalia and
and that you know the rod if there are three major uh uh mechanisms for
distributing cash at the moment one is a little bit he's got program
one is through one giving action one estimable money technologies and those are all kind of uh uh
maybe it's useful to have different ways of accessing different populations with anyone preferences in different areas
and the debate he's got that will also works as a registry as a registry as well not necessarily
only as a way to deliver right so i think the important thing is how to make sure that their uh
there was a move towards developing a common database so that to avoid duplication
that the dog biscuit systems was understand it still means that you can
then the little your cash through different all three of those modalities
a little comments on or did that
meeting et cetera et cetera and ah stands question or comment that um
i read digits to like them uh i have an extra or
well just to confirm that in in in beat it these
are relatively new area for for for many of us
what if i the first we had a a investment i
saw was by oxfam into doesn't on eleventh responding today
the drought in kenya to kinda up before believing cash advance it these retailers
need a hundred dollar all one of ground for them to restock how
so it is new it's push those at least only phoebe shouldn't be you won't know what i would comfort zone
and the challenge that we have so far is that when we all understand the value
chain there's so many into points to make that change apply to more effective but
we need to identify what this might just investment we east where the important that
we put us organisation would translate into the best value for for for beneficiaries
so uh so far in in in these regional oh we only do we need uh oh
e. no i'm in in kenya opinions also done where is that
in ethiopia so we have not produced some of those
but the evidence that that that you're referring to um what are typically that's that's the way we we want to move forward
it's not useful
i think with any final comments on anyone
no one ever yeah i mean i may have one that's anything 'cause you know we
we talk about um i wondered if it can be the elephant in the room
curved to the receiver you know after the words meant to someone we you know we we
realise the need to be a shakeup in the system module and how we do things
and uh you know some of the there was some intimate runs
cash and you know like you know we all can catch actors and stakeholders in us um
and there was i was wondering how are i don't the echo guidelines we're gonna uh
influence the discussion today and it's you know just gonna want to point out that
whatever you're trying to change the system i think the you really actually tune each
that leadership to to to be the provider jewel in order to shake things up and see what falls uh so
i i do think that it's forced us to have a lot of compositions a lot quicker even though there may be
um operational implications and uh and concerns around that
uh i think often you need that joe to have exactly the compositions were having to
do you know to see that i dunno come about so i think it's
a positive thing that's brought a lot of this to to crunch point and it's uh
i think we'll have big changes of the next year that will see father was
great thank you thanks for the penalties them join me in thanking metallic
she said that um opportunity in and challenge and then the final remark that expected changers incremental
you know what's he's actually thanks um yeah yeah i kind of wanted to ask the next question
all day i've been struck by this questionnaire affected yes and in
particular caches ability to provide coverage and potentially the protection of

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Conference program

Nigel Timmins, Humanitarian Director, Oxfam International and Chair of CaLP Board
28 June 2017 · 9:09 a.m.
Formal Welcome
Manuel Bessler, Assistant Director General and Head of Humanitarian Aid Department, SDC
28 June 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Looking to the future : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future: Social Cash Transfer in Response to Ebola in Liberia
Gabriel Fernandez, National Social Protection Coordinator, Liberian Government
28 June 2017 · 9:56 a.m.
Looking to the future : MasterCard perspective
Ian Taylor, Vice President, Business Development, Government & Public Sector, MasterCard
28 June 2017 · 10:12 a.m.
Looking to the future : International Relations perspective
Jennifer Welsh, Professor and Chair in International Relations, European University Institute and Senior Research Fellow, Somerville College, University of Oxford
28 June 2017 · 10:30 a.m.
Q&A - Looking to the future
28 June 2017 · 10:37 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Panel introduction
Ben Parker, Senior Editor, IRIN
28 June 2017 · 11:08 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Sri Lanka experience
Sithamparapillai Amalanathan, Secretary, Ministry of Disaster Management, Sri Lanka
28 June 2017 · 11:10 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Turkish experience
Orhan Hac?mehmet and Jonathan Campbell, Resp: Coordinator Of Kizilaykart Cash Based Assistance Programmes, Turkish Red Crescent - Deputy Country Director, WFP, Turkey
28 June 2017 · 11:21 a.m.
Operational Modalities : Zimbabwe experience
Abel. S. Whande, Team Leader, Cash Transfer Program, Care International in Zimbabwe
28 June 2017 · 11:36 a.m.
Operational Modalities : UNHCR experience
Waheed Lor-Mehdiabadi, Chief of Cash-Based Interventions, UNHCR
28 June 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
Q&A - Operational Modalities
28 June 2017 · 12:01 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Panel introduction
Christina Bennett, Head of the Humanitarian Policy Group, ODI
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling up Cash in East Africa: Nisar Majid
Nisar Majid, Independent Researcher, Consultant and Visiting Fellow, Feinstein International Centre, Tufts University
28 June 2017 · 1:32 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : ADESO perspective
Deqa Saleh, Cash and Social Protection Advisor, ADESO
28 June 2017 · 1:46 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : WFP perspective
Ernesto Gonzalez, Regional Advisor for cash-based programmes, WFP Bureau for Central and Eastern Africa
28 June 2017 · 1:52 p.m.
Scaling Up Cash In East Africa : Relief International perspective
Alex Gray, Global Humanitarian Director for Relief International
28 June 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Cash Barometer and community perspectives of CTP in Afghanistan
Elias Sagmiester, Programme Manager, Ground Truth Solutions
28 June 2017 · 2:35 p.m.
First long-term trial of a Universal Basic Income, Kenya
Joanna Macrae, Director, European Partnerships, GiveDirectly
28 June 2017 · 2:44 p.m.
Changing from a pipeline to a platform
Paula Gil Baizan, Global Humanitarian Director Cash-Based Programming, World Vision International
28 June 2017 · 2:51 p.m.
Grand Bargain and GHD cash work streams
Emily Henderson, Humanitarian Adviser, DFID
28 June 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Panel introduction
Thabani Maphosa, Vice President for Food Assistance, World Vision International, World Vision US
28 June 2017 · 3:39 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : ECHO vision
Androulla Kaminara, Director, DG ECHO
28 June 2017 · 3:42 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Office of Policy and Resources Planning's vision
Paula Reed Lynch, Director, Office of Policy and Resources Planning, Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
28 June 2017 · 3:49 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Norway vision
Ingunn Vatne, Minister Counsellor and Head of the Humanitarian team, Permanent Mission of Norway in Geneva
28 June 2017 · 3:58 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : DFID vision
Patrick Saez, Senior Adviser, Humanitarian Policy and Partnerships, DFID, UK
28 June 2017 · 4:08 p.m.
Donor Perspectives : Centre for Global Development vision
Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow, Centre for Global Development
28 June 2017 · 4:22 p.m.
Q&A - Donor Perspectives
28 June 2017 · 4:39 p.m.
Closing Remarks
Alex Jacobs, Director, CaLP
28 June 2017 · 5:27 p.m.

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