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logan who is the c. e. o. of the lows on twenty twenty
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use olympics i'm not sure what language
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he's going to be presenting in but i can say that it was a
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a great joy from it so you learn that it's less than that
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and if you blow a particular won the bid for the east
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games twenty twenty i think around was a overjoyed about it's
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and everyone is interested in learning more about what this means
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for this a village for the region and the tide so he uh
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is the legacy of the olympic games what will really became spring
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uh to the area one so that it's gone home what what we see happening here how is
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it going to change the economic social and environmental sustainability of the area and a job really
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huh
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ladies and gentlemen hello
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he does not speak french uh_huh
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six of us are inferior she slides so great i'm going to talk to you
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how is controlling the powerpoint presentation she it up somehow everybody thank you very much
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i'm going to try and be very if before we had to lunch sorry
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these games are coming coming hits of eligibility and so unique opportunity
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to talk to about what games of all and about its legacy the positive aspects
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of economic social and environmental sustainability is a great opportunity for the region
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and extraordinary opportunity my background is as a fighter pilot i love this region
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i know it very well this is a great ski area but
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it's a basic quite enclosed a set amount since uh
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some token is a fun factor pipes apart are already kroger for the valley and then suddenly
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you answer a whole which is a jabber it's the aerial view of this area
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so i'm also a fan of some not unfortunately i i must and i love samantha now what's have them
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and in terms of a global planets reach over fits or not is the e. really we
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the middle of nowhere it's hardly possible to get at complete people from the
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u. k. whence to so much it's or some hundred years ago uh
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you mustn't in we fly a plane you need to have always value go down a is so hot and uh in summit
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uh you only see the mats on ah at the last fan of your work it's a it's in the middle of nowhere
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but these nouns in people in the middle of nowhere have made this man same amount on one of the
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ones of the well this incredible a region the villagers amazing there's
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each resource and now it's for there's four seasons orson
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there's a incredible flattery opportunity now you're just a hour away from those and and some of that
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capital
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a eligible i your uh this is a ski resort of the liturgy diva so there
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was a great of jersey here there's a massive gap for you to to answer
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the something uh the joy of things you can do here and i think this challenge is a magical opportunity so thank you to
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all those who supported project and sponsor project to give me the on uh on the fortune together to to lead a project
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so the use case it's a new concept began in twenty ten
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and it's been see various continents is going to the third went against in history
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uh the fifth angel happening bonuses next year we had ins broke
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uh the lamb uh no way for the winter games
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uh is asking the translates it is going to fuss is gonna triangle busload because as the smoke coming out of areas
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so this second winter games take place in ins perk uh in the numbers are in twenty sixteen and
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the uh it's a bit was written in twenty fourteen hour bit uh we didn't really know
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what we were supposed to be put into we copied little bitty concepts of previous games
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we looked at the second again gently them out the segment against
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and we saw the potential uh they have this um
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this is a new concept is a concept it's all about education about culture about sports of course
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and these are the games of the future they will not pass the
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traditional into games but these are not small games this is uh
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a new sets of games for young people by and people with young people so this is an extraordinary option c.
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so this is what we've been talking about since the start um it's a bold about capitalising on this experience
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i was uh uh look enough to be involving three big events and why are we
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uh holding events uh well couple skiing yeah
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um well happens when you succeed uh and in advance you say the v. i. p. uh uh
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system was good we everyone had a great time everyone was well greeted here and
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uh uh uh uh was or was involved in the ice accumulation there's um
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what's ornaments it's not a huge challenge does a lot of work um
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ooh however uh uh_huh the difference between those events
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and an olympic events is something completely different
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if you come from around the world from so slow in china
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japan asia from australia to use if you come to switzerland
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the above the these other ski results of our uh results that belong to
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those on the list not even away from the wasn't as you land
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in london the piccadilly line and heathrow exist to censor takes fifteen minutes
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and that's it that's it sends an issue yeah uh unfortunate on our tell which isn't
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in some senses even further so we are not new not very far from
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isn't so the and uh with this game just to put for something more than
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just sports promotes the that was on us a campus our culture of oh
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all the um tours and this is a tourism industry are all assets
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so they must promote tokens on to promote what we can do from
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economic side and other promotional sites all the different sects is
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it's so these games uh it's isn't on for me to to
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run them and we also have to be telephone environments perspective
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and also to want to mention a tourism is twenty twenty games all right
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in the heart of three games which are to be taking place
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in three a significant uh parts of the world so
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uh china beijing switches to uh the uh several billion people now
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a decision paying has three billion people to think about when he talks
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when we're talking about his olympics a word of mouth several thousand
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and shipping when you said you like something draws thousands of couple
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thousand b. b. say yeah me too but was important
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is for people to open their eyes to the legacy of a of a games
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the people you uh look at twenty twenty let's on uh will not
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be going to brussels it will not be going to bed in
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or not going to let that they will be here for four days because of these games and it would be everyone switzerland
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i was told it twenty seventeen uh will be the starter right partnership between china and
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this was an incentive tours and i will be thousands of people coming here
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uh the government here want corporate cooperation between listen to twenty in beijing twenty twenty two
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they say that
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in china uh no between fifteen and twenty million
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a very sports people and twenty seventeen and for twenty twenty
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he expects that they will be three hundred million
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sports enthusiasts of it all sports uh even though we have only eight million in our country
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so in the three is a is going to be jumping from twenties
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twenty five minutes of three hundred minute because of the gainesville
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when a shrinking uh uh says it's uh
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and people in suits hindsight yes you or you're right it you
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can see what this maybe means uh for country like switzerland
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so the games are not just about sports it's about promoting all know how promoting
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i'll the quality about source to industry and i would like to mention
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importance of uh put a smile on people's faces the the staff to hoteliers uh they need
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to the for the bright face on if it they'd see children on a happy
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to to see the chosen i have a smile a freezing for case it doesn't cost too much
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and if all hoteliers uh offered ten percent discounts
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uh imagine the global busses because if people
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in susan's that giving discounts on hotels stays another tourist activities if but the impact
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uh of this is not going to be local specifically because there's only two
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thousand hertz arms in the air and this town but this is
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in terms of the exposure this could cause would be you great so
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what are they use games if i three thirteen days of competition
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uh it for five days in the job really is up to the job of a nazi
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exploit this and to use this thirteen days to parties to celebrate this event off
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after the competition that could also be seeing is competition of vintage competition uh a fun competition
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using different concepts different approaches there'll be a sports so that's one more sport any it
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uh than the traditional winter games that we ski mountain in for the first time
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that would be at his uh we have leapt from a lecture eighteen hundred
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mon eighteen hundred athletes uh which was much more than one thousand one hundred in the number
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it's going to be the biggest more multi winter sports events in the world after the winter games
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i'm here uh uh a few you geographical indications always discusses that place so when i
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looked at uh the file the beginning people said listen there's nothing less that
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this is true the nails on rhinos and there's not much but from uh
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uh_huh there will be several internal so federations dos or international federation sports federations
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that was on these represent five hundred million uh euros internal uh
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uh for a paper on well this is switzerland was on the olympic committee except your
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the everything they buy is not far as less an hour away
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so you have in the values you have cross country skiing you have also
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ski jumping combine nordic skiing baffle on and luzon yourself i sports
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for a short track excess rather than you have curling in the car and some of it's you have
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uh some weights and use i have high speeds keys speedskating
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in uh in other areas
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so the great memories we have laws on twenty twenty will be that frozen lake
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of sun or it's we've uh this space key is speeds cases uh
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and he well here a few pictures from lose him a lots of
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chances to try out new sports for visitors but also not only
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switches was but also some sports thanks to a corporation with the
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shooter so archery another federations so it should promote the sports
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um the v. festival over the thirteen days of the event applause on at the sites
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so this was the number which is two hours from oslo by train or by car
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it's well known because of the ninety four games but this is a small
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a town in the middle of nowhere with twenty thousand norwegian inhabitants
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so ninety two thousands a school junior just started uh you all ages eleven to thirteen if
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you could give them the chance trolleys post uh many thousands will probably turn up i
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sentence fifteen we want to be a twenty sixteen started thinking about we're going
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to do that's uh and as of twenty seventeen we still got
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three more years to communicate about the events and as i mentioned we
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shouldn't just stop after the games with the thing about the legacy
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if the future and it's not just about infrastructures about behaviours as about sustainability
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and what i really want is for these games to
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help transfer uh and transmit values behaviours ways
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of doing things on different uh only impact of a huge one thousand eight hundred young ambassadors
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seventy two nationalities coming to switzerland c. d. games the water sports is going to be here imagine
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we could think about nutritional aspects uh concept where a young athletes and coaches from uh well
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i would have to see that we can offer the rights nutrition to elite sports people
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and we can also tell them uh we don't use it so much meat at this could be away from watching i didn't meet isn't so essential
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a ways of behaving differently being intelligent respecting environment and we will show
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that everything we tried to do in terms of the environment here we want to show that we respect
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all swedish all switched standards but not only we need to be probably the fact that it
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in switzerland because uh in in this event if we
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if we for example have to move a ski piece because of a particular species it
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tactfully and lives on the peace we will decide to show that this is important
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we were the first to say and sweats and all that the doing the not thinking whether doing in such e. for example
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we need to respect our own principles and respect to all around um
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our own ideals and when we do so we will communicate about this we need
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will tell people how what we are doing from an environmental point of view
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and this sometimes show everyone something we've been working on for you know we
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card also double analysis about sustainability and the three areas
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and this is uh about environment about measuring the environmental
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impact of the games and if the environmental impact
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of the games is a this site during the games how will
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this impacts uh well the impact be excluding the games
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and we woke measure this difference between interior between the two i um we'll talk
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about how important it is to travel have scare cost sharing for example
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any information to make the games as a way of reducing um the environmental impact of the town in a
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long time so it's it's less than it was previously that will be incredible i will communicate about this
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uh during the games especially to the international community you will be there in a legible in
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terms of legacy we're moving them every piece which will be shifted to the left
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this project will create it f. i. s. how uh
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approved pieced for seepage a c. p. g. skiing
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this project is allowing this ski to be
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uh to us uh that'd be public scheme during the competition
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and projects as also led to the creation of ages ago
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on the left which will be functioning uh a
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full uh for all the seasons so this is going
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to be generating um activities for a year
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so this dynamism which is being uh last but again to something which is a great opportunities
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and it's all about legacy we're not doing a this for just for shots and gangs
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so uh a new skews ski piece need a little harsh
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uh this is a cross country skiing pieced the aim of the games it's all
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stuff reinvigorate cross country skiing not only for people in the region but
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a full all products you want to do cross country scene
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we have signed agreements for a twenty is free use
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so the greens well people to uh do by flaunted cross country skiing in one of the
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most uh attractive and impressive cross country areas in the world
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there will be a magnificent uh ice rink also which is being financed by that counts on
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it was on a will for a few more a month world capital of ice hockey
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uh listen sweeping swimming is dreaming of a fifteen each
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olympics simple which was to be included is complex
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there will also be an environment and angie concept which will ensure that would be much more much conversation between all the
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different systems so this is a short track a stadium it's
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the vortex it will be part of the university uh
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co campus we've been thinking about how to accommodate uh students for decades now this is it
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a project focus on sustainable development i'm shortens align with the thinking of the cans on
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and university on how to find accommodation for students this product is entirely funded by
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private uh funds are related to the four cans on
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and this will be passed on to there's you'll be running the university accommodation organisation
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we just happened to be the first tenants of uh this
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um a particular complex we would just be testing
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if the facilities work of the showers architectural and says something is going to the operating after the games
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and there are many youth projects that will be activated after the even during the games
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and sends apprenticeships university courses uh international uh
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partnerships uh for young people
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and uh i've sped through my presentation i think
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that's a couple of more
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slides for that
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so within the activities we being caring i recently
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we've had sporting competitions you had promotional
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days we've had lots of a communication with
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young people events of mascots wherever uh
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uh ice rinks which are being branded twenty twenty
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well being a uh putting a promotional uh activities in place all these sites and
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values of flows on twenty twenty an easy reach beyond a sporting competition also
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so i've come to the end of my presentation i talked about legacy about promotion
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about opportunity and the message are really wants to focus on is about legacy
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first of all we don't uh we shouldn't just to have a party
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and trying to generate traffic can attract source at the time
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uh we need to think about how this region can seize this unique
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opportunity to position itself on the planets for the future should we
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uh the question is do we just uh uh enjoy the events as it is and forget
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about it or to take the opportunity to really use this to forge a legacy
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oh
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oh so that's an extremely interesting uh project you don't want to work since it was launched
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and we can see that it will contribute significantly to the region
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we talked a little today about sustainability about economic sustainability not something we can see here
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and something uh an event that really gets young people involved is impressive but
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but i'm a little conflicted because i'm very much in favour of this
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project i can't we've got three succumb i'm i'm a skier personally
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i was uh uh movies clear
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i i must admit i'm a little bit disappointed because the third
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aspect environment or something that you didn't touch upon ready
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you didn't talk about other vortex is going to be zero as you energy news role e.
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you didn't say that people are only going to be using renewable energies can as they were climate impact ambitious
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ideas like this that could be a supported this is something that we don't see in the plants
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and it has to be said this is something a little bit convention
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or icons in environments for innovation unsustainable uh a development innovation
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and that the the chinese fans you can compare and source are going to come here uh
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uh you use deleting the the use of a country yes great what about sustainable development
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i didn't put any slides about this because it was on this uh almost normal
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i say this because the new ice rink which is being a developed is going to be
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practically self sufficient incentive energy um in terms of hitting the cool in
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keeping the ice cold is gonna be state of the art systems
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the vortex uses solar panels uh uh according to the standards
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uh in place in time to waste management we're gonna do something special but
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at the beginning because in switzerland where one of the only countries
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well one of the only uh countries who sought their waste at
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home so from terms of environmental jargon we say we sort
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waste upstream i separate cardboard paper p. c. plastic i thought that was
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upstream of what upstream was to do with manufacturer's except your
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but the concept of the games is going to focus also on treating things and
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processing things really upstream so everything we do in terms of the rams at the different sides of the games there will be no
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plastic we will be uh will show that we can do all this packaging et cetera uh in a very sustainable way
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in terms of the facilities everything uh really that can be renewable will be renewable and
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who of you know there's no no boss no phones so not many people
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so small farms have existed in many conned me for many is in many countries
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in the nordic countries is something we've hardly a head around here have a snowfall
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it's a field or region where we store snow during
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the summer so we stole non strolls no
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this snow from the previous one so we stored for around the summer we make big piles we
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cover them inward fifty centimetre thick uh just which
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ships to insulated i'm store for the whole
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uh i'm gonna store the these piles for on the summer the was
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the loss of mass around twenty twenty five um the sense
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and when winter comes we take the wood chips off and we use is now and once and this is something that's happening
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uh uh today uh uh what they see in the valley of the two if to enable
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cross country skiing in the region in the winter so these are actually cutting edge propositions
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yeah
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i i can actually hear the uh speakers unfortunately so how are we going to distribute this snow
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are we going to use electric vehicles are good use traditional trucks
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it's the following standards isn't no it's a leadership leadership
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means going beyond doing something productive something difficult
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this is something i can't see in a new presentation i hear
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uh we working on is a great deal uh contacts with a yes
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yell or projects been put in place what is not easy is
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vocabulary uh uh what do we say to say eco friendly do we say
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fair trade we say sustainable i've talked about a lot of people um uh use a lot of nice words
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yeah in promotional projects sometimes with the r. c. uh acting upon but when we want to do
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is really to talk about the carry on these projects not message just market them
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we have topeka out early uh said uh or he said it in the past i'm
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i'm not going to fly around all by minimising c. o. two depends on the technologies i
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can use what he said was is i i'm going to fly around the world
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uh using solar power full stop any founder technologies he traded the
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target and you've been you shop for and this strategy
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of the i. o. c. for sustainable games in twenty twenty and all the words
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uh eighteen goals for object is read you seeing minimising these are not strong words
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okay see you yeah so we eh the aim is to say
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uh we should be to say we're leaders were to show leadership we won't have new shows the surgeon usual
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games uh this is something you could have done well this is something we're approaching we're getting to
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uh the university uh uh they buys you working on this
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for six months to determine what consumption is going to
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move all the first of all we have to to some measure and this work is county can make
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practically finished now and this is going to enable us to define the real ambitions we can uh we can put forward
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you can have a restricted budget we don't use as much
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as we can what already exists and within this concept
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we're going to think about what we can innovate in transport is obvious is we're gonna be about public transport
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i can't tell you everything projects with revolutionary cars with upon a toyota there
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are many projects that are going to be coming on the train
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the first before saying this l. objection is what we're going to do that we want to look at what's possible first get all
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pick a uh it's uh it's interesting you mention him because i i know very well with friends were both pilots ooh
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his project a bottle because potent didn't have a deadline he had the time to do it
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my deadline isn't uh indefinite i i have deal with uh
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um traffic uh on the most rabid inhalers than
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i can't say everything even become frayed by twenty twenty uh i can't promise
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anything is impossible with such a deadline but in terms of uh uh
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but it's something i i've uh focused on for a long time and it's very important to me
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and see i to say something to uh becomes a talk about objectives and say we're going to do this in three years time
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when uh ultimately it's not possible to uh
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i'll drain is to be the first c. o. two for the winter games
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but sims this might be a comes in to buy something else
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so we're trying to look for the wind calories so that we don't raise hopes excessively
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um i was involved in inventing there's an an twenty fourteen where
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we had forty thousand spectators we didn't and linus analysis and
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you'd be surprised but it's in a real meeting with fighter
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planes and ministry i i entrust patrols well these planes
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we measure the environmental impact plus forty thousand spectators every two weekends we
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measure the impact of the few buttons of the spectators coming
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and the analysis of this year it's too footprints to uh eight percent was fighter planes
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seventy percent was waist and seventy five percent came from the cars of the visitors
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and having a p. c. uh cups which are recyclable makes
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a difference is zero point zero two percent so
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uh there's real uh a strategy that we could have it should have implemented a will implement features to
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trying promotes the idea of training costs rather than having a one or two people in each car
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that's where the uh the problem lies i also wanted to ask you
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you mention that there's a restricted budgets that's sure
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but the athletes i would like to take a start point experience for the athletes because i was an athlete
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if you live in those on or if you stainless on and come to did you go every day uh to train
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which uh can mitchell j. some to turn off hours uh with the traffic
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that will be well this is going to be very difficult for athletes
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to um to except it's because this will be suboptimal for the training
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for the for the to get them in like shape to compete
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it's going to be difficult or as you view budget to create new the infrastructures uh that you create new
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uh olympic villages by twenty twenty but we did not have been possible to works with hotels or
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but also we've uh shallowness a. b. m. b. today's issues international
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phenomenon now could we not to use all the chalets
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which people have here i sue unable at least the athletes to stay in the village
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the concept of the olympic games the concept of the olympic movement
00:33:31
to have a multi sport planets re event is to bring all the sports together
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so i was in l. but they'll uh i was in senior
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in athletes villages with a freestyle there's a and nobody else
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for me it's a quite important thing because i would have preferred time we've spent time of all the different off lease
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but when the competitions actually happens you have to get that
00:34:01
enable them to be comfortable in terms of accommodation
00:34:06
well you could about channel being difficult et cetera but the f. i. s.
00:34:15
um there are only two buses full of athletes coming to the job okay
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n. e. v. ah athletes will be travelling the technical stuff will be here but if you ever
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well functioning transvaal concept with a system that functions well
00:34:33
well these buses uh the electric yeah we're trying to do as much as possible
00:34:40
well uh uh tending to was this idea but it is one quarter hours to commits
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any two buses you'll be doing this for skiing in digitally so we're uh
00:34:52
pushed for time but it's difficult i'm i'm very passionate about is also we want this to this excess
00:34:58
and i think i speak for uh the men yeah and for the village if you want to
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push the limits in terms of sustainability pharmacists
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social environmental anytime perjury you will need
00:35:15
you'll you'll find strong policy i think you know them already but the other stakeholders what
00:35:21
it said they were not necessarily the stakeholders with whom you have already worked
00:35:27
they really want this to be success uh in some sustainability and in terms

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Conference program

Welcome
Corinne Feuz, Coordinatrice d’ecovillages
25 Aug. 2017 · 9:48 a.m.
Welcome
Patricia-Dominique Lachat, Préfète du district d’Aigle
25 Aug. 2017 · 9:49 a.m.
Welcome
Philippe Grobéty, Syndic d’Ormont-Dessus
25 Aug. 2017 · 9:54 a.m.
Introduction: What way forward for the villages?
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
25 Aug. 2017 · 9:59 a.m.
Inspiration: Top to Top Global Climate Expedition
Dario Schwoerer, Climatologue et guide de montagne
25 Aug. 2017 · 10:07 a.m.
Beyond skiing, revisiting the ski resort experience
Isabelle Frochot, Université Savoie Mont Blanc
25 Aug. 2017 · 10:36 a.m.
The heritage of the Youth Olympic Games (JOJ Lausanne 2020) , for the Vaud Alps
Ian Logan, CEO Lausanne 2020
25 Aug. 2017 · 12:11 p.m.
Urbanise the Swiss Alps
Fiona Pia, architecte
25 Aug. 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
Building the Future: Participatory Projects for Transition "The Center for Sustainable Development in Ayent"
Victoria Leaney-Brinkler, initiatrice du Centre de développement durable et gérante de l'écogîte "Esprit du soleil"
25 Aug. 2017 · 2:15 p.m.
Building the Future: Participatory Projects for Transition - ERKA - the energy transition for al
Charles Höhn, ancien maire du village de Bonstetten
25 Aug. 2017 · 2:32 p.m.
Digitalisation as a service to the transition
Daniel Gatica-Perez, Idiap Research Institute
25 Aug. 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
Introduction of special guest
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
25 Aug. 2017 · 4:57 p.m.
Special Guest: "The world has already so many solutions"
Prof. Dr. Bertrand Piccard, Explorer, Chairman of the Solar Impulse Foundation
25 Aug. 2017 · 4:58 p.m.
Q&A with Special Guest
25 Aug. 2017 · 5:19 p.m.
Conclusions
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
25 Aug. 2017 · 5:38 p.m.

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