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Debate - Energy Strategy 2050: How and with what financial means to implement the energy transition on the ground.
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Friday, Aug. 25, 2017 · 3:36 p.m. · 51m 18s
Laurent Balsiger, Director of Energy for the Canton de Vaud Jean-Michel Bonvin, Director of Groupe E, Greenwatt Jérôme Christen, Director of AEE Suisse romande and in charge of urbanism, mobility and sustainable development at the municipality of Vevey. Moderator : François Vuille, director of the Energy Centre at EPFL
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thank you cool green i have a lot of panelists please come to the stage quickly we
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need to make the most what time on stage so we have some should move huh
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had a over green what a social group any longer so yeah yeah
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i had a of the department of energy in it can somerville
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and we also have the show on kristin who is in municipal counsellor
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in charge of mobility sustainable development and town
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planning in visit and is also it
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uh involved in the eighty s. suisse
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so it's different shoe in order to correctly when we're in the mountains we don't say
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hi lo friends we say hi
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so that's something we have to also do is open the blinds
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to sinatra lights you would like us open the blinds
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so please open the blinds because we we don't have any slides would only darkness
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so let's talk about the energy transition we talked about it last year
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so so yeah the full but the votes of the twenty first of
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may has now been passed which means we all go to leave
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nuclear energy and move towards technology now the bad news is we
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have to act upon us votes and it's not as easy
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as it may sound so we have had that can sounds heads of municipalities will see our how at least
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two levels we can date these things and somebody's going to try to implement these changes at during what's
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so we will have time for questions so keep get them ready for the
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end of this roundtable what i'm going to finish this roundtable at
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oh okay oh that's only when the time comes so the first war i have about this for just a referendum
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if we said okay we're going to increase subsidies for a sustainable
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energy for cost price subsidies thanks to enable us to increase
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renewable energy programs but however we're going to stop subsidies after twenty twenty two
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so the problem i have with it is and i would like your opinion on this is it in twenty twenty three if there are no more subsidies
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how are we going to reach that same price of full sense because what are we have today how
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we gonna get down to just forget we ah at seventeen for wind energy tends for solar powered
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how what we do in twenty twenty two if uh we are no longer heating is a
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fig is and we have to continue to point annual energy what was gonna happen
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so you have a few microphones line around it so the idea
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is you to uh coming when you want a try
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uh don't try that's we grew each other too much so make things easier for me i
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so our company has been developing solar power with the help of subsidies twenty percent
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of our solar power a subset iced coffee framework uh conditions which may change
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so we get by you say we get you get by with this of this yeah we we also need to find customers
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we're going to continue continue to power three no half a
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sense but they're also societal costs which you also pay
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we continue to consume cull energy
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um
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i would prefer to consume energy with greater value added which is produced locally in
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the weight it's respective i mean i'm prepared to pay more maybe could
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not consume less but pay more this gonna be social and societal source it would need to be made
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because we know that our society consumes ten times more than africa or south america
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and if everybody starts consumers was really we're not gonna last for long so the energy transition is crucial
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uh with framework conditions and maybe without status of season is
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usually good use ultimately is that nuclear power stop
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i need to understand can come pretends to you have customers who worked
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prepared to take him shift a green what's and pay much more for the energy to to pay a
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ten cents a sort of fall yeah we we saw that there are people that would be
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towns in switzerland uh who sets up a wins uh their own wind turbines um
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there was to be self sufficiency a self sufficiency will become to be that
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begin to be developed a more significantly removing the price per kilowatt hour lesson ten
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cents and there was to be able to sell even if they produce at
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we have to sell at eleven twelve cents to they buy or use policies so this is an interesting route
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just in a um possibility for a a sustainable energy
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they rinse be wouldn't have to find new ways of working at some
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given time you have to accept greater risks all there are going
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to we're gonna have to pay a tax for to have a a net uh agreed that it works in which supplies energy
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the microphone is a malfunctioning or
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so the question everyone is asking today is what can again from this how much money can i make from this
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so just twenty twenty two target might be a little bit kinda chill see if uh this
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model a model come in place will still be valid and if you have time
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if i take the advance example of the waste policy is a carrot and stick approach
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people waste policy at someone knows no tax on backs on on ten bags
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uh we uh achieved a figure forty percent uh
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recycled waste and everything else was incinerated
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the all the campaigns uh it's uh uh we carried out only managed to causes figures arise to forty two
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percent right with the tax we there's been brought in we've gone up to fifty fifty five percent
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and i've had had a few times this remark uh why it is my my my
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name that doesn't sort says waste why should i have uh many things today
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and is tax it's not you just sixty to seventy francs yeah but for sixty cents difference uh
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they say if i don't do you take these measures and i do not so my waist is gonna cost me a double so as to
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stick approach but the all the measures such as subsidies which on more
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on the coward side uh they are incentives stay more attractive
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and with mister hidden we saw there are other interesting models that do
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not necessarily enough to stay either the cover all the stick
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there are sometimes a specific conditions it can be a a established incentives which
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uh uh can comes people to take matters into their own hands
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sorting waste we make full million kilowatt hours we've espresso capsules
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so i believe wholeheartedly the the legal framework is there to incense device
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once and since my session uh uh it's rich used
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three d. r. p. c. tax which allows major
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uh facilities oh a redo leisure facilities to
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have reduced costs this will enable uh
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a local or community should use energy and store it this same market
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is a um the same principle is being applied to if i
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grow food industry we're going to head back towards the
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local model we're going to know exactly what we consume and when you know how much energy you consume you
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uh we'll see we'll see issues developments in this area so uh the others user remains to be result but
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we have a long term vision we also have a a short term vision so to speak which will encourage certain changes
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and if you need an more financing for the larger installations i think the politicians will put them in place
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you talked about this idea of self sufficiency which means a consumable also producing one's
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an energy which seems to be a good solution because um you produce
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um i just the at a cost which is lower than the retail price of
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a just see how can we get this system and the self sufficiency system
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uh to evolve as a hard it's hard to consider it to produce one's ancestry electricity so
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we everyone is to be in phase i wanted to cooperate to make these decisions happen
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it's gonna be different because you've have to physically wire out a whole neighbourhood that's being built at the same time
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um so self sufficiency will have to be uh integrated into the construction phase
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um the coup owners of these properties only to cooperate you can use and and
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you can't even at work to uh it's she vis a system of self sufficiency
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has to be done after the the need to a downstream from the meeting
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they're uh an industry where um
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we can use uh since it's x.
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um and a different energy production and consumption depending what the sun is up or down
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um there's you he with heat pumps
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i can do the same as we do now but it's there won't be
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any farce fun of uh during the night every first during daytime
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and to maximise subdivisions yes that's some hours of the day so it's going to require creativity
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so just to consume uh and towards consumption and unable consumption at the times when the logistics please
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so this is going to require a a smart and tough i. p. l. c. d.s um
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there will now allow uh sets and uh assistance
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and a consumption i rhythms to be established
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so we're talking not he lows refrigeration that be on this electricity
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that is consumed directly we have to flexible is it
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yes it's going to be more difficult swiss so then is a
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blessed country because a vegetable or just distort behind dance
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um it's a problem we don't we ooh ooh ooh ooh it's a problem that is uh
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if you encounter a if solar energy and when energy is a little bit uh and
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temperamental at least when you have egyptian energy behind downs you can use it as an
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when you need to so yes you have down spits you operate it down
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yeah it's you transform us just city industry today
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and it's just the system an industry today is designed for conditions are no longer in place
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at some sound system
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and um the system was fixed uh here and and this is uh
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many thing is uh um many repairs you made many different adaptations we
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made a i mean it today the energy grid is not uh
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uh does not cater for today's and some more is requirements
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then is to be a mall planned economy which will allow us to um exploits
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installations in a regulated way and this means opening a and different
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uses for facilities and this will lead to changes in
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at prices the severe deep reform uh to try and encourage
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companies to work in a certain way we to go
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faster than the pace at which we used to going against us
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and but in switzerland and market is if very internationalist
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it's a functions will pottery european system can redesign the market just for switzerland line
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well yes there are certain things we can do just for switzerland off
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the you don't group group has a dotted the uh a technique which involves um
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energy supply is with balances made between uh distributors
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he you a charger cost less flexibility we could reform system today i would like to
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remind you that we have a choice to make today at your turn level
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it's a day is is is if we had an agreement with the u. turns riches but there is no agreement
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but i would suggest uh we either a setup agree with your wife or we don't
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and if we don't have a a beneficial to uh tied to this
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you're insisting we have the freedom to regulate uh energy transit system
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and we have the chance to cut off the dead sea energy we consume
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from outside to replace it by clean internal energy in switzerland often we're
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a a system with an inside an official remember we actually i i'd hate to the rules
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that i tools even more stringent then we would have done if we signed up to the agreement
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so should we agree uh all signs agreement should be actually if we have signed agreement or should we say now
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we need to switch it sets a or should we said uh its rules for most individuals to switzerland
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because nothing forces to follow this uh this e. u. agreement
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one of the solutions which is often put fall it's you resolve the issue
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it's of the market is to tax c. h. u. u. does not
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manage to do this could switzerland's facts see a tooth on electricity
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so today we have now agree movie you if we had the bravery and the political courage
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to do so we could put this in place maybe we should technology capitulated to decide
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oh maybe this could lead a into a people's stopping and thinking for minutes and europe just
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to see the maybe switzerland's a leader in this area and it's got a crush them
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to uh look at the solutions we put in place a as pioneers of this kind of system
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i think it's important to either agree officially
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with the you and richie remove the you all don't go down a own path
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uh to take your change of not being remove the you're not gonna
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fish group agreements of the you choose a sensible i mean tax
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for example i use for since we could say a it could be said doesn't need to uh use a call
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um we generate gonna choose call uh sometimes uh um uh of at a very low
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cost and sometimes we sell all hydropower an electricity um as a high rates
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and to other countries so this balances out of rubber theoretical markets are um
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where the price uh because our six or six and a half cents
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and i would like you to uh to satan so the market is open
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and should stop these confessions i'm preaching to my own uh uh people
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but engine's whistle and belongs to the public authorities that release it and placed pressure on
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and and to say and uh we say that we have our own energy so
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different energy source difficult and buy a coal powered act energy we should move by burning coal
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and
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on the private side uh uh the uh is use the industry has a lot
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of uh efforts to make their we're leaving and coming after fifty a monopoly
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we need to start thinking about different ways of getting things to change and so this
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i think it's a effectively going to be difficult for swiss steak orders
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because they're going to have to sell energy to they're gonna be
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captive uh and be forced to sell it to you and
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if we do like the flexibility energy we have uh in reserve was
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behind hand i think would be easy to use this to balance
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out our uh industry in our our energy system
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couldn't we couldn't we could maybe think about a a a system where we shift from stable
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um i wish to supply two or more fluctuating energy supply
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and like moving towards renewals and we're gonna have to find an into innovative way
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of uh dealing with these fluctuations and flexibility to become at a higher cost and have a
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so we need to think about installations it will not able to have flexibility
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um i i and find new ways of storing energy uh
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extraordinary to balance against a basin coming you is
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uh for the storage of energy not just its electricity
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but others and prices will eventually fall once again
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uh as just as the price of solar power fell
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and we have an issue isn't many different possibilities for this market it as
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long as you continue to regulate uh companies in the second uh
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uh who will eventually have to adapt anyway um we'll
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have other foreign stakeholders who will be better uh
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pretend i'm the day we all have to switch over to read your books
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so we need to be ambitious not to um handicaps it's and stakeholders
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but on the contrary to help them a move towards the future
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i uh we can't have to slightly not just not just slightly
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modified corn marketing to completely reform the market you will
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need to how we need to have to taxi or two on imports because of the product arrives from china
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um uh it's it's crazy to think about the energy and the c. h. u. consumed in bringing products
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are yeah so you just talk about thought to be a little bit progressive incentive attractions here to
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um i everything from has been doing in the states is a very
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and uh uh a signal to the world i think we seek
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counsel displays thing about taxing seer to it's very ambitious yes
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uh if you we talk about a a dissonance national scale is gonna be very difficult to push for
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but there's a study the p. f. l. that shows that this was lines more a dependent
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owned great energy um than on its own energy
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and as for construction a final question
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success of the energy transition will depend on the speed at which
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we will be able to give slowly sustainable uh energy solutions
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because we are going to have to compensate for that deficit produced by the
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end of nuclear power which could uh take place much quickly than expected
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we could have uh the worst case scenarios uh an urging
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if we don't manage to deploy really windy quickly enough to make up for the end of nuclear power there will be an
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energies and electricity a deficit for number of years which could cause you struck a huge problems how we going to
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uh this energy actually see deft is almost inevitable between twenty twenty twenty thirty five
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what is reviving twenty thirty five so when most more creative than you think um the
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transition is going to take place and it will inevitably lead to certain issues
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it's going to be hard to have a kilowatt hours of less than at lesson eight to ten cents is to
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uh and to the current renewable methods uh i'll i'm more capacity to be generated we can
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only do so we need to uh except that there will be a transitional period
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and can just be finance was all the question of cost uh if you have a third of a you know
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energy that does it is either we import cheap energy all we make it a thousand except high prices
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so we make it locally at a higher price based on natural gas uh that's about signal
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now we more intelligence to to use other sources of energy but the r. p. c.
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as assistant
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so do you cassie subsidies generate is uh i have a few inherent issues there
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projects which are currently underway which or have you registered which i'm not completed
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and uh there was a yuppie see a forgery described announced in the past
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and twenty fourteen for example and which now has never been done
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so when i would say that if someone receives funding they need to
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act and i need to have a follow through on the project
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uh today we need thinking we need people to take risks we need intelligent and participatory funding and
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this is what's going to uh allow us to uh to really act rather than just i think and talk
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so this isn't going to be more complicated uh then you can't
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yell pieces and which leads to let the speculative projects
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'cause people weights to have the l. p. c. before they really follow through on it plans
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i think it's a hearty had too far down this route i without talk about the principal uh a
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impossible to go down the street if we go flip the idea that we will not succeed
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uh obviously the ideas which are difficult to push through uh which up maybe not as attractive
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as we'd like them to be what we need to move forward and it's in
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it's the things which one to achieve this all possible another studies that show
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that this is the case last question on electricity wind turbines after
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uh twenty twenty to the plan uh the guiding principles oh oh allow for a a
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thousand winter winds but there's already a a fleet of when say binds um
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a lot of support for the project has been received nothing to beat is
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is uh going to be generating more milk you know a couple hours
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so it wouldn't phones produced within the scope of the l. p. c.
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uh are committing started there will be no what is after
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there will be a wind turbines and stored in series and the question to ask is
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if in switzerland uh and they're all of minority people you want
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to blog when seven projects together into problems like in france
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does it also just by his those with them that is the um well actually five hundred
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winter winds will actually generate a m. m.
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as many uh as much as the one thousand battle plan
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and so the number remains the only country that in building the uh when divining twenty sixty okay
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this
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we can uh uh actually say give us seventy percent of energy consumption the building
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so building is a a a cornerstone when
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it comes to uh energy saving
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and that um and that means that to a we have um ten years we agree
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no wait a it building but that's not really the case it's not really special
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so there is a national program now that has not worked that well so what's wrong
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what was your to tax
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mm hum i think there are different factors it's quite complex
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the culture of oh uh ask d. p. if uh or
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i'm not sure what we're off
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uh and several factors
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uh are obvious
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very few series people actually oh yeah there are lodging
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and uh when you own your home you're more likely to invest in repairs
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then when it comes to
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rental properties
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huh
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you know how how the uh_huh uh_huh and the
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rent is fixed according to the mortgage rate
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uh but when the rate goes down
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i haven't has to ask for degrees it is
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um yeah in his or her red or
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so
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it seems that um
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okay in that uh the german speaking barred uh landlords actually do that the
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the red and eh in the french speaking about the don't yeah ah
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and when the landlord and wants to actually ah
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do up a his building wow uh oh
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they figure out how much that's going to cost and then the
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time that is still has to lower are there and
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because he has not uh been playing the game of uh adjusting it according to the more toward
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hum or so here we have a key problem
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and we need to find it um
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you solutions like the huge utterance in zurich how does this work exactly
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it means that uh the heating
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ah actually included in the rent
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and that means it is is a interest to make
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sure the and um there's a proper installation fee
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so that's one way to um to do things just include everything
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you can also lounge a contracting system
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uh_huh so that now the tenant uh
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pays less and the we've the
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uh as savings i can maybe participate in the yeah
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the uh revamping
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but the relationship between landlords and tenants oh can between k.
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hum
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it's not impossible to to find a solution
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what comes to electric uh heating yeah yeah does he to deviate a famous say
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would you call almost reaching an agreement that uh
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hey it's ah everybody yeah uh_huh and
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it is possible when we all sit on a table uh to find innovative solution
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uh huh
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and uh i think if there's a maturity to agree uh it
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is possible to change the uh uh renting a low
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communication is a key
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i think a lot of people ignore what the possibilities all to
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um be held you know and the no more their potential
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uh_huh
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e.
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so it is a real problem the uh is the bows i think uh mentioned
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uh_huh
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he student is actually an association of companies that are involved um
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in the menu but it is ah and uh there have realised that a lot of people lack a information
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so
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wow
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we have been talking about for your and we've actually
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talked with um members of the room listed
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a profession and um oh there is no blocking
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point however we still haven't found a solution
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uh_huh but it is in everybody's interest that we do find a solution
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even though there are political hurdles
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there's also another aspect that's interesting is the energy certificate of buildings
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in a four oh you have to uh have that certificate
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so
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uh_huh
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uh_huh
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the sort we could indicates the the quality uh of
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the of the repairs uh doesn't it yes
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exactly but then the order realises the uh
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the situation uh he's building it's yeah
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um there's a lot of question that should be raised before you decide to uh by solar panels for
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instance in order to target uh your your investment and make sure that it is a well done
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just rebound on that uh or a lot of our morals
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you know i feel totally lost
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and the c. b. c. a plus
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he's the unimportant a certificate
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because he'd offers um
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possibilities too
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repair a whole uh and it gives the our road map our our
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explaining what needs to be done
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oh
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and the the c. v. applause is partly paid for by follow kelly
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um but to third
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mm thousand thousand five hundred
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so take advantage of it the one i think half of the c. v. c.
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plus done in switzerland is your all being done in of oh yeah
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we
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uh_huh
00:33:46
uh_huh
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uh_huh
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i am further to the to the study uh there's actually briefing with the order
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it out to explain what uh what can be done away should anyway
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or a very often
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uh_huh
00:34:12
you know whenever there is new legislation it is is a a boat and um
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the one who actually um makes an effort is penalise just
00:34:25
like everybody else so it is important to target
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uh i'm uh
00:34:36
people who waste energy
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and there should be a system of puerto to
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uh_huh
00:34:46
oh
00:34:50
uh_huh
00:34:53
uh_huh
00:34:56
uh_huh so the one on the ad uh is
00:35:03
very efficient even though he actually use
00:35:07
getting system should not be panelist ah on the other
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hand the person who were has been shown that
00:35:15
now he grew to a save a lot of
00:35:20
what i we could have a produce energy
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uh if it doesn't uh actually um you know maybe the analyst
00:35:32
so i think that a lot of uh solutions and
00:35:36
that exist out there and we should actually
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uh put them all together
00:35:43
uh so that um we can uh concentrate uh
00:35:49
were ah it is the yeah the best
00:35:55
uh_huh
00:35:59
when it comes to eating all oil uh our consumers
00:36:04
and i'm talking ten thousand and and more
00:36:08
uh they they should uh actually yeah a request contracting offices
00:36:17
will there would be surprised
00:36:20
uh_huh
00:36:23
uh_huh
00:36:26
we actually made a at offer with a
00:36:31
eating uh um and with adults
00:36:35
guaranteed for twenty years and uh uh heating or a cat
00:36:40
that be catch twenty years so they're all alternative solutions
00:36:49
so it is possible to huge will will uh with one hundred percent
00:36:54
sure what it is uh you know for uh for uh
00:37:02
so with all of the cells
00:37:15
well actually i work it out that is a device uh go label
00:37:21
and are we don't have much but
00:37:24
yeah it's it's a matter of order will
00:37:28
every time there is the project we
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look at it from a a a real warm here and you perspective uh_huh
00:37:42
uh the l. that this that we pay attention
00:37:46
to him everything and we can also
00:37:52
find an incentive
00:37:57
you know or to lodge a people to the best one in
00:38:03
it but i was a contracting offer made recently those good
00:38:10
uh and uh uh_huh solutions to the file
00:38:14
uh_huh
00:38:19
the study was that you know that uh who would be willing to join the project uh
00:38:25
uh so you know that's fine okay we have about ten minutes for questions usual suspects
00:38:35
uh_huh
00:38:39
uh_huh
00:38:43
uh_huh
00:38:45
yeah
00:38:46
uh_huh uh_huh if
00:38:52
he
00:38:54
hi to differ from it which
00:38:58
with all those scales othello represented here
00:39:03
the all um scale it's in resorts
00:39:08
what what would be included in the twenty fifty
00:39:12
plan to have it has energy efficiency lifts
00:39:26
mm whether it says he'll leave door a knee um all other industry
00:39:32
oh i think it's a matter of concepts you know the yeah
00:39:36
you have to otherwise what do exist and fine that is
00:39:42
the solution i think uh solar panels or solution
00:39:48
i know that usually there's a lot of when the um at the top of this deal with
00:39:53
so maybe a wind turbine could be a solution and uh in our region where and uh
00:40:01
when the when i smell heating or you uh the top of the slope it
00:40:07
really works by hardware uh because i know that um with pellets exist
00:40:13
so i think we should use our our local resources before uh
00:40:20
sending manager levy l. saudi arabia
00:40:33
mm
00:40:38
while i am recorded individualistic so uh i had rather
00:40:43
uses the tears lad them or transport but uh
00:40:47
eh uh_huh uh_huh i think they had a uh it is possible to you
00:40:56
three is the uh the speed of a transition
00:41:00
uh of energy transition has so that we leave a bit of planets to uh to our children
00:41:09
i think that in the future we're going to use uh oh
00:41:14
huh uh hydrogen as a as a source of energy
00:41:18
uh so
00:41:21
that it would it uh um allows to think about the energy network
00:41:29
and uh generated a uh they don't do that
00:41:34
that that uh that can be stock more easily so put use
00:41:38
high budget with electricity that is not worth much more
00:41:47
uh so it's a novel either g.
00:41:51
so is high digit is here's a
00:41:57
no no no
00:42:04
huh
00:42:08
oh yeah i'm fighting for um
00:42:13
mm and the um
00:42:18
the land
00:42:20
different ways
00:42:22
we have one orange yeah it's built double oh it's billable
00:42:31
uh um
00:42:33
not forget that you can actually have farmland into in town
00:42:38
uh and uh you can have wind turbines in uh
00:42:42
uh out in the country and farmlands so
00:42:48
uh_huh
00:42:51
we have a very restricted vision and a vision of bygone
00:42:56
years because of course with cannot do anything but
00:43:02
we have to revise the the ground the story of
00:43:05
the land can that be used in different ways
00:43:11
possible to uh have a um
00:43:15
plant crops and have solar panels to have a fall in town
00:43:21
to have b. ha knives in town huh uh
00:43:25
i think that's a positive approach uh_huh
00:43:31
i'm joe and calvin wire from liaison
00:43:36
two comments apply to make
00:43:40
comes so you're doing that uh the cost price
00:43:45
which revisions system coming to an end or
00:43:50
it it's going to be suppressed falls small installations
00:43:56
um below thirty a clear what our
00:44:01
that means for few homes seven holes usually
00:44:07
and the to be replaced by a unique subsidy
00:44:12
which is not a as comfortable
00:44:18
ah okay so that news system uh_huh remains that it's uh
00:44:25
oh it's self comes solution that's going to finance it
00:44:31
and so my crew the problem i see
00:44:34
is that self consumption means that
00:44:40
i can install a system up to my limit of consumption i don't need
00:44:48
to invest in a in an installation uh on the for me
00:44:55
well it's not exactly correct actually oh eh it will
00:45:00
allow you to sell your uh your neighbour
00:45:05
and there will be no difference between large and small it's due to be exactly the same for around
00:45:12
and the unix subsidy
00:45:17
you know a small installation actually the cars
00:45:21
twice the price of a large installation
00:45:26
and uh as a manager of taxpayers money had
00:45:31
rubble you know gave a one shot
00:45:33
check uh to people and then they will um do whatever they want with it
00:45:39
uh_huh so that would allow it to find the right dimension for installation
00:45:47
what my point was that uh there are all rooms
00:45:54
that all the good position to produce electricity
00:46:05
yeah
00:46:08
uh actually are does interview disagreement here so i don't think we should do is probably time for that
00:46:15
a solution ball i will tell you exactly what it is so ah
00:46:21
oh
00:46:23
advise second a comment is that we talk about um the
00:46:29
pensions for durable edges but we don't talk about
00:46:34
direct sub vengeance for for so our ages would you have a comment
00:46:41
oh
00:46:50
well it's five hundred billion versus one hundred billion
00:46:56
uh_huh
00:46:59
uh_huh
00:47:00
what is the cost of someone who produces one clue what are are
00:47:04
are of electricity with fossil fuel and that uh generates you too
00:47:11
and um how to deal with um countries like bangladesh
00:47:19
uh_huh so that increase of time sure has a cost that society
00:47:24
a cost ah um that means that we pay for it
00:47:32
uh_huh
00:47:33
so there should be a duty energy tax or something else
00:47:39
but
00:47:41
when you wanna just a lot more expensive that all those on the over doable
00:47:49
is that it has to do with all that you that he's got would mm
00:47:57
i would like to suggest oh let's create a magic pass
00:48:09
for the energy of a scale with let's try to have a huge
00:48:15
new tool in energy and i'll be happy to coordinate all that
00:48:21
uh_huh
00:48:24
the one hundred percent overall energy uh stuff um and with
00:48:29
a a ski is in the linen fibre e.
00:48:35
uh_huh
00:48:37
ooh although show his solar ovens
00:48:40
we you work you that uh to them as a solo writing tear
00:48:49
intense
00:48:52
so that's a lot of effort hands and the
00:48:57
the question is are there are uh um services
00:49:01
to help them switch to use all right
00:49:07
because we do not necessarily qualify uh_huh uh for uh
00:49:14
those uh those it's oh yeah
00:49:21
uh_huh
00:49:23
well actually there are a lot of jews
00:49:29
that's why the
00:49:31
oh a state
00:49:33
huh
00:49:39
so if you can prove that project is interesting
00:49:46
then uh you can actually be be helped uh_huh
00:49:52
huh
00:49:56
oh
00:49:58
uh_huh so that that that can generate money yep
00:50:03
oh
00:50:04
but
00:50:07
very often uh it allows thames just save money
00:50:13
and um they kim recoup their investment quite quickly
00:50:19
uh_huh body view if you little bit short in terms of um
00:50:24
budget uh you should take advantage of those uh i've choose
00:50:29
what it depends of the price
00:50:37
again the value can could solar panels um uh uh the weave of your gem how you know then you'll probably
00:50:44
will produce a clear what our uh the cost of ten cents that should be the reference
00:50:51
okay how you're reaching d. and
00:50:57
should we be on tonight war and vote what time
00:51:03
e. does actually short t. work
00:51:09
yeah
Conference Program
Introduction: What way forward for the villages?
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
Aug. 25, 2017 · 9:59 a.m.
Inspiration: Top to Top Global Climate Expedition
Dario Schwoerer, Climatologue et guide de montagne
Aug. 25, 2017 · 10:07 a.m.
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Beyond skiing, revisiting the ski resort experience
Isabelle Frochot, Université Savoie Mont Blanc
Aug. 25, 2017 · 10:36 a.m.
The energy transition at the scale of a municipality: from concept to reality
Florian Buchter,, Groupe E Greenwatt SA
Aug. 25, 2017 · 11:45 a.m.
The heritage of the Youth Olympic Games (JOJ Lausanne 2020) , for the Vaud Alps
Ian Logan, CEO Lausanne 2020
Aug. 25, 2017 · 12:11 p.m.
111 views
Urbanise the Swiss Alps
Fiona Pia, architecte
Aug. 25, 2017 · 1:58 p.m.
170 views
Building the Future: Participatory Projects for Transition "The Center for Sustainable Development in Ayent"
Victoria Leaney-Brinkler, initiatrice du Centre de développement durable et gérante de l'écogîte "Esprit du soleil"
Aug. 25, 2017 · 2:15 p.m.
Building the Future: Participatory Projects for Transition - ERKA - the energy transition for al
Charles Höhn, ancien maire du village de Bonstetten
Aug. 25, 2017 · 2:32 p.m.
Debate - Building the Future: Participatory Projects for Transition
Panel
Aug. 25, 2017 · 2:46 p.m.
Digitalisation as a service to the transition
Daniel Gatica-Perez, Idiap Research Institute
Aug. 25, 2017 · 3:02 p.m.
144 views
The implication of Energy Performance Contracting in the hotel sector of the region ‘ l'arc alpin ’
Stéphane Genoud, Economiste à la HES-SO Valais-Wallis
Aug. 25, 2017 · 3:16 p.m.
Debate - Energy Strategy 2050: How and with what financial means to implement the energy transition on the ground.
Panel
Aug. 25, 2017 · 3:36 p.m.
Introduction of special guest
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
Aug. 25, 2017 · 4:57 p.m.
Special Guest: "The world has already so many solutions"
Prof. Dr. Bertrand Piccard, Explorer, Chairman of the Solar Impulse Foundation
Aug. 25, 2017 · 4:58 p.m.
Q&A with Special Guest
Aug. 25, 2017 · 5:19 p.m.
Conclusions
Michael Liebreich, Fondateur et vice-président d’ecovillages
Aug. 25, 2017 · 5:38 p.m.
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Théo Bondolfi, Coordinateur des services Ecopol de l'institut Smala pour la création d'ecovillages
Aug. 25, 2016 · 2:20 p.m.
1359 views